Zone1 Why I believe the Catholic Church is the little horn of the Book of Daniel

[surada]

Yes, this beast forces the inhabitants of the earth to worship the first beast. During the Dark Ages if many did not worship as the Pope directed, they suffered the results of the Inquisition and were put to death. Thankfully this power was removed in 1798 from the Roman Papacy and that beast was not any more.

Revelation 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Will the Papacy regain its powers that it had during the dark ages? Is it the beast that was, and is not, and yet is?

Revelation 17:8 is about Nero.. this all happened in the 1st century just as Jesus said it would. By what authority did Joseph Smith rewrite the scriptures?

 

[onefour1]

Revelation 17:8 is about Nero.. this all happened in the 1st century just as Jesus said it would. By what authority did Joseph Smith rewrite the scriptures?

You mean by what authority did Joseph Smith reveal the scriptures. By the authority given to him by God.

 

[surada]

You mean by what authority did Joseph Smith reveal the scriptures. By the authority given to him by God.

Did Joseph Smith say why God decided to change the scriptures?

 

[onefour1]

Did Joseph Smith say why God decided to change the scriptures?

Did God decide to change the scriptures?

 

[surada]

When I was college I read a book entitled, "The Time of the End" by Frances M. Darter. He went over the Book of Daniel and pointed out many prophecies which point to the Catholic Church as being the little horn mentioned in the Book of Daniel. Recently I found this video online that goes over a great deal of what Mr. Darter covered in his book. Here is the video:

The little Horn of Daniel is Antiochus IV Epiphanies.

 

[surada]

Dreams and visions of Daniel are not of the past. They are future events

Antiochus IV Epiphanies defiled the temple... he made it an Abomination of Desolation. The Maccabees rededicated it. The Romans caused the second Abomination of Desolation in 66-70 AD.

 

[surada]

Did God decide to change the scriptures?

Joseph Smith wasn't God.

 

[onefour1]

Joseph Smith wasn't God.

Right. Joseph Smith is the Prophet of God called to open the last dispensation of the fullness of times.

The little Horn of Daniel is Antiochus IV Epiphanies.

It is pretty evident that the Greeks were the 3rd beast of Daniel and the 3rd part of the Image that Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of. The little horn comes after the 4th beast which is believed to be Rome that came after the Greco-Macedonian which is the 3rd beast. At the end of the 4th beast's reign 10 kings stood up and then came the little horn before whom three fell. The Papacy destroyed the Heruli, Vandals, and the Ostrogoths who were part of the 10 kingdoms. These were the 3 that fell. Antiochus IV Epiphanes does not fit the prophesy. Sorry but I can't buy that false story.

 

[surada]

Dreams and visions of Daniel are not of the past. They are future events

Antiochus IV Epiphanies was the little Horn. He was fourth in line to rule.

Daniel 7 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[surada]

Right. Joseph Smith is the Prophet of God called to open the last dispensation of the fullness of times.

It is pretty evident that the Greeks were the 3rd beast of Daniel and the 3rd part of the Image that Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of. The little horn comes after the 4th beast which is believed to be Rome that came after the Greco-Macedonian which is the 3rd beast. At the end of the 4th beast's reign 10 kings stood up and then came the little horn before whom three fell. The Papacy destroyed the Heruli, Vandals, and the Ostrogoths who were part of the 10 kingdoms. These were the 3 that fell. Antiochus IV Epiphanes does not fit the prophesy. Sorry but I can't buy that false story.

Antiochus was fourth in line.

Daniel 7 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Cougarbear]

Antiochus IV Epiphanies defiled the temple... he made it an Abomination of Desolation. The Maccabees rededicated it. The Romans caused the second Abomination of Desolation in 66-70 AD.

The rededication was done without prophetic authority. Daniel prophesied that the Church of the Lord would be established I. The last days and never be given to any other church.

 

[onefour1]

Antiochus IV Epiphanies defiled the temple... he made it an Abomination of Desolation. The Maccabees rededicated it. The Romans caused the second Abomination of Desolation in 66-70 AD.

Although Antiochus IV Epiphanes desecrated the temple, he did not destroy it and thus it may have been an abomination but it it certainly was not a desolation. In 70 A.D. the Romans both desecrated and destroyed the temple and left Jerusalem desolate. Thus Antiochus of Epiphanes' desecration of the temple was not an abomination of desolation but only an abomination. Jesus tells us that the abomination of desolation was to occur at a future date from his time.

Joseph Smith - Matthew

 

[Cougarbear]

Although Antiochus IV Epiphanes desecrated the temple, he did not destroy it and thus it may have been an abomination but it it certainly was not a desolation. In 70 A.D. the Romans both desecrated and destroyed the temple and left Jerusalem desolate. Thus Antiochus of Epiphanes' desecration of the temple was not an abomination of desolation but only an abomination. Jesus tells us that the abomination of desolation was to occur at a future date from his time.

Joseph Smith - Matthew

Now what will she say?

 

[surada]

The rededication was done without prophetic authority. Daniel prophesied that the Church of the Lord would be established I. The last days and never be given to any other church.

Lolol That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Joseph Smith was a piss poor scholar. After Antiochus IV Epiphanies they cleansed and rededicated the temple. Antiochus IV Epiphanies means God Manifest. He was the 4th surviving Greek after Alexander and king of Syria and he tried to Hellenize the Jews.

Made desolate means it was defiled and made unusable, not that it was destroyed. The temple was defiled and made desolate in 66 AD before it was destroyed in August of 70 AD.

 

[Cougarbear]

Lolol That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Joseph Smith was a piss poor scholar. After Antiochus IV Epiphanies they cleansed and rededicated the temple.

You might want to actually read Daniel. You already had your temple attack destroyed with real reading comprehension earlier tonight.

 

[surada]

Now what will she say?

Antiochus Epiphanes—The Bible’s Most Notoriously Forgotten Villain

Many names come to mind when someone mentions the great “villains” of the Bible. One name that has escaped the attention of biblical pop culture even though his actions, arguably, are worse than many of his villainous peers: Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

 

[surada]

These kingdoms, both successors of Alexander the Great’s broken empire, warred with each other for more than a century while the Jewish nation sat at the crossroads. (An account of these relations, seen through the lens of prophetic visions, can be found in Daniel 11.)

Throughout most of this period, Judea remained in the periphery and was left alone. However, when Antiochus IV came to power c. 170 B.C.E., the Jewish people did not readily fit into the vision he had for his new empire. Embracing a form of imperial colonialism, Antiochus sought to bring about a sense of cultural uniformity in the hope of creating more socioeconomic stability. This included embracing the Hellenistic way of life and the worship of the Greek pantheon, especially Zeus. By taking the epitaph Epiphanes (“God Manifest”), Antiochus even claimed to be Zeus incarnate. Many of the pagan nations embraced and welcomed these policies, but in the land of Judea they caused a cultural civil war, notably among members of the high priestly families. In the midst of this turmoil, according to the books of Maccabees and the Jewish historian Josephus, Antiochus plundered the Jerusalem Temple and carried off the sacred vessels—to help finance his campaigns.

Following stories of intrigue, bribery, and military coups among the Jewish ruling class that could rival any on television these days, Antiochus arrived in Jerusalem to find the people in an open state of revolt against him and each other. The chaos he found in Judea immediately followed a humiliating defeat in Egypt, and the ruler took out his frustrations on the Jewish people. Antiochus took control of the situation by slaying many innocents and brutally enforcing his cultural and religious policies on the population. A time of great tribulation occurred as traditional practices such as circumcision were outlawed, sacred scriptures were burned, and violators were brutally punished even unto death. Having already laid siege to the Temple Mount and destroying many of its fortifications, Antiochus built a new fortress known as the Acra (literally, “the Citadel”) to consolidate his power over Jerusalem and strengthen his political agents. As a culmination, he proceeded to profane the Temple of Yahweh by erecting idols within it and even going so far as to sacrifice pigs upon the altar, presumably to Zeus.

By these actions, Antiochus Epiphanes effectively stepped into the role of the “Little Horn” of Daniel’s visions and became the Apocalyptic Supervillain Archtype that remains within the psyche of the Christian belief system to this day. One could argue that, if Antiochus hadn’t existed, neither would the popular conception of the Antichrist prevalent in certain circles of eschatology.

Following these atrocities and abominations, Antiochus left his generals in charge of Judea as he went to fight wars in the East against the Parthians. The Jews went on to revolt under the leadership of the Maccabees and throw off the yoke of the Seleucids, winning their political and religious freedom. The memory of this great event is celebrated by the Jewish people each year during Hanukkah. Meanwhile, the great villain Antiochus, Zeus-incarnate himself, suffered a military defeat in the East, contracted an illness, and subsequently died. Soon after, the Seleucid kingdom crumbled as well. Like many megalomaniacs throughout history, Antiochus’s legacy is one of a stain of memory rather than of great achievements.

 

[07-07-07]

Is it a mere coincidence? I don't think so.

 

[Cougarbear]

Antiochus Epiphanes—The Bible’s Most Notoriously Forgotten Villain

Many names come to mind when someone mentions the great “villains” of the Bible. One name that has escaped the attention of biblical pop culture even though his actions, arguably, are worse than many of his villainous peers: Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

Who cares. You were wrong about Daniel and about the destruction desolation of the temple that didn't happen in Daniel's time.

 

[Care4all]

I think it's pretty obvious that the little horn was to come when the 4th beast was divided into 10 kingdoms. Most any Biblical scholar would agree that the 4 beasts represent the following kingdoms:

1st beast - kingdom of Babylon
2nd beast - kingdom of the Medes and Persians
3rd beast - kingdom of the Greeks
4th beast - the Roman Empire

Only after the 4th beast kingdom was divided into 10 kingdoms was the little horn to come forth. It was by this little horn that 3 of the 10 kingdoms were subdued which were the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes was a Greek King who ruled from 175 BC to 164 BC. The Roman Empire came after his days and the 10 kingdoms came even later. It was way later when the little horn made his entrance on the world stage.

Daniel 7:7-8
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

As a layman, with no formal or church instruction on this, just by reading it alone or with the hubby, I thought the 4th beast was the NEW Roman empire. An Old Empire that includes near all of Europe and the NEW Roman Empire to arise, could be America, us, who are the descendants primarily of the old Roman EMPIRE from creation.... We became the new little horn, the little horn that arose out of it??? .