Why do so many here want the Obama boat to sink???

[ba1614]

How dare Obama seek to realocate our current distribution of wealth????

One way to ‘see’ the distribution of wealth in the U.S. is to imagine a group of 100 people who have a $100 between them. Evenly distributed each would have one dollar of wealth. Alas, that is far from the actual distribution. According to the most recent study, Currents and Undercurrents, by the Survey of Consumer Finance (Federal Reserve, Department of Treasury, 2006) wealth is distributed accordingly:

50 individuals at the bottom have a nickel. ($0.05 times 50 = $2.50)

The next 40 each have $0.70 of wealth (40 times $0.70 - $28.00).

The next 9 each have $4.00 of wealth (nine times $4.00 = $36.00)

The last richest individual has $33.40 (one time $33.40).

So, if you do give everyone the 1$ they are "entitled" to, how long would it take for the smarter, harder working person to again end up with more while the not so ambitious does fuck all waiting for their handout?

Do you propose to re-distribute the wealth every few years?

Interesting point. What you are saying is that 90% of Americans are lazy fuckups waiting for a handout. Where do you fall on the scale?

Not at all, but a good chunk of the bottom group are. Having "more" doesn't mean having "all".
IMO the above example using 50 people(50%) having the bottom amount seems a little high. That would mean 50% of the population is in poverty, and I think that's a little unfair to say.

Point is that you can redistribute all you want, it will eventually shit back to where the smarter, more ambitious, will have the bigger share of the $100.

 

[ba1614]

How dare Obama seek to realocate our current distribution of wealth????

One way to ‘see’ the distribution of wealth in the U.S. is to imagine a group of 100 people who have a $100 between them. Evenly distributed each would have one dollar of wealth. Alas, that is far from the actual distribution. According to the most recent study, Currents and Undercurrents, by the Survey of Consumer Finance (Federal Reserve, Department of Treasury, 2006) wealth is distributed accordingly:

50 individuals at the bottom have a nickel. ($0.05 times 50 = $2.50)

The next 40 each have $0.70 of wealth (40 times $0.70 - $28.00).

The next 9 each have $4.00 of wealth (nine times $4.00 = $36.00)

The last richest individual has $33.40 (one time $33.40).

So, if you do give everyone the 1$ they are "entitled" to, how long would it take for the smarter, harder working person to again end up with more while the not so ambitious does fuck all waiting for their handout?

Do you propose to re-distribute the wealth every few years?

You use the term "redistribute the wealth" only when it aplies to those that have less. What do you call Bush's tax cuts for the super rich and breaking tax laws by using off shore drop boxes.

Working "hard" doesn't make you a millionair sparky.

Gaming the system by buying government influence through lobbiests ... Gaming the system by creating panics in deregulated comodities markets .... casino financial markets where they dream up ever so clever schemes to steal with a 40 to one ration of investing(gambling) other peoples money ...

What do you call the biggest power and money grab in history? How dose the redistribution of wealth that has gone on since Reagan that has crushed the middle class worked for ya? Never mind just give Standfard Oil another multi billion handout while you are paying $3 a gal at the pump (you ignorant asshole)*.

* optional

Show me where I've supported Bush asshole

The shit you're spewing is exactly why I'm so fuckin' sick of the whole lot of 'em.

Just because one doesn't buy the left's bullshit doesn't make them the righty you so despise. I wish we could get rid of every politician in Washington and start over fresh without the party and special interest bullshit.

EDIT: "Working "hard" doesn't make you a millionair sparky. "

Do you not believe the smarter, more ambitious would end up with more of the 100 bucks, if the 100 people all started out with the same 1$?

 

[rightwinger]

So, if you do give everyone the 1$ they are "entitled" to, how long would it take for the smarter, harder working person to again end up with more while the not so ambitious does fuck all waiting for their handout?

Do you propose to re-distribute the wealth every few years?

Interesting point. What you are saying is that 90% of Americans are lazy fuckups waiting for a handout. Where do you fall on the scale?

Not at all, but a good chunk of the bottom group are. Having "more" doesn't mean having "all".
IMO the above example using 50 people(50%) having the bottom amount seems a little high. That would mean 50% of the population is in poverty, and I think that's a little unfair to say.

Point is that you can redistribute all you want, it will eventually shit back to where the smarter, more ambitious, will have the bigger share of the $100.

The real point is that the wealthy will figure a way to steal it back...
They always have.

 

[ba1614]

Interesting point. What you are saying is that 90% of Americans are lazy fuckups waiting for a handout. Where do you fall on the scale?

Not at all, but a good chunk of the bottom group are. Having "more" doesn't mean having "all".
IMO the above example using 50 people(50%) having the bottom amount seems a little high. That would mean 50% of the population is in poverty, and I think that's a little unfair to say.

Point is that you can redistribute all you want, it will eventually shit back to where the smarter, more ambitious, will have the bigger share of the $100.

The real point is that the wealthy will figure a way to steal it back...
They always have.

This might really surprise you, but there are crooks in all walks of life, even the poor. Really some of them are not good people either.

 

[chanel]

And that's my point also. Jennifer Aniston will always be able to write off a 50K haircut, but Joe the Plumber will be squeezed out of business. Redistributing wealth will only hurt the middle and upper middle class. JMHO

And lest we not forget that for every dollar they take from the rich, gives maybe 20 cents to the poor.

NJ's "property tax rebate" program costs 10 million a year to "administrate" Job creation, power, or a total frickin waste of money?

 

[Zona]

First of all, Obama is nothing more than a criminal Chicagoland political hack. He's never held a working job in his entire life. All he has ever done is make his living by sucking on the political sow's teats. He has no idea what it's like to have a 9 to 5 working job. He is a big old liar and a fraud. He is spending this country into bankruptcy with projects that don't and won't work. How big of a list do you want? If you want to live in a third world socialist country, keep allowing Obama to have his way and let the democrap sheep follow him into his promised land.

Maybe you and frankie need to get a room.. All this dick sucking in public has spoiled my breakfast.

 

[mal]

I am not a republican or a democrat.

Here is what I don't understand.

The past administration drove this country into the ground.

I am not a big Obama fan, but shouldn't we at least give the guy a chance?

Why are soo many people here hoping and praying that he fails?

We are all in the same sinking boat.

Shouldn't we all be cheering for him to turn the country around and get us out of this mess ?

Knowing his Socialism will Fail, has us Wanting his Goal of getting us More Socialistic to Fail...

His Failure is NOT the Failure of the Country... That's where you are Wrong.

Anymore than (43) was.

We are going through a LONG Overdue Economic Correction and BOTH Parties have Responsibility in it, along with a LOT of Americans...

I Know FAR too Many who Mortgaged their Homes for Toys while Working in Industries that were FAR from Solid.

Enough People in this Country wanted EVERYTHING now, and it's "Coming Home to Roost", as it were.

The Current Unemployment Rate is NOT Barry's doing, but it's Longevity will be if he is Successful...

Not unlike FDR's Agitating of our Economic Woes during his Tenure.

Maybe we will have a World War to Thin the Population and Create Factory Jobs, like FDR had.



peace...

I Know it's Inconvenient when the Lie is Exposed, but again, NOBODY on the Right is Hoping the Country Fails...

Barry is NOT the Country.

There are some on the LibertarianAnarchist Fringe who would LOVE to see the Entire Shithouse Collapse...

And Watch from the Sidelines for it to Happen so they can Point and Claim they were Right.



peace...

 

[HUGGY]

So, if you do give everyone the 1$ they are "entitled" to, how long would it take for the smarter, harder working person to again end up with more while the not so ambitious does fuck all waiting for their handout?

Do you propose to re-distribute the wealth every few years?

You use the term "redistribute the wealth" only when it aplies to those that have less. What do you call Bush's tax cuts for the super rich and breaking tax laws by using off shore drop boxes.

Working "hard" doesn't make you a millionair sparky.

Gaming the system by buying government influence through lobbiests ... Gaming the system by creating panics in deregulated comodities markets .... casino financial markets where they dream up ever so clever schemes to steal with a 40 to one ration of investing(gambling) other peoples money ...

What do you call the biggest power and money grab in history? How dose the redistribution of wealth that has gone on since Reagan that has crushed the middle class worked for ya? Never mind just give Standfard Oil another multi billion handout while you are paying $3 a gal at the pump (you ignorant asshole)*.

* optional

Show me where I've supported Bush asshole

The shit you're spewing is exactly why I'm so fuckin' sick of the whole lot of 'em.

Just because one doesn't buy the left's bullshit doesn't make them the righty you so despise. I wish we could get rid of every politician in Washington and start over fresh without the party and special interest bullshit.

EDIT: "Working "hard" doesn't make you a millionair sparky. "

Do you not believe the smarter, more ambitious would end up with more of the 100 bucks, if the 100 people all started out with the same 1$?

Aparantly you didn't notice that being an asshole was optional.

A handful will work harder than the rest and get maybe two bucks because they provide services for the others..a few will find food and escential comodities to sell to the others. They to will make a couple of dollars more than the others. The vast majority of the money will go to those that have a gift of talking people out of thier resources. Today it would be those that can convince you to vote against your own best interests.

 

[ba1614]

You use the term "redistribute the wealth" only when it aplies to those that have less. What do you call Bush's tax cuts for the super rich and breaking tax laws by using off shore drop boxes.

Working "hard" doesn't make you a millionair sparky.

Gaming the system by buying government influence through lobbiests ... Gaming the system by creating panics in deregulated comodities markets .... casino financial markets where they dream up ever so clever schemes to steal with a 40 to one ration of investing(gambling) other peoples money ...

What do you call the biggest power and money grab in history? How dose the redistribution of wealth that has gone on since Reagan that has crushed the middle class worked for ya? Never mind just give Standfard Oil another multi billion handout while you are paying $3 a gal at the pump (you ignorant asshole)*.

* optional

Show me where I've supported Bush asshole

The shit you're spewing is exactly why I'm so fuckin' sick of the whole lot of 'em.

Just because one doesn't buy the left's bullshit doesn't make them the righty you so despise. I wish we could get rid of every politician in Washington and start over fresh without the party and special interest bullshit.

EDIT: "Working "hard" doesn't make you a millionair sparky. "

Do you not believe the smarter, more ambitious would end up with more of the 100 bucks, if the 100 people all started out with the same 1$?

Aparantly you didn't notice that being an asshole was optional.

A handful will work harder than the rest and get maybe two bucks because they provide services for the others..a few will find food and escential comodities to sell to the others. They to will make a couple of dollars more than the others. The vast majority of the money will go to those that have a gift of talking people out of thier resources. Today it would be those that can convince you to vote against your own best interests.

I can't argue there. As long as there are people stupid enough to be talked out of their resources(vote), someone will be there to oblige them.

 

[Bern80]

Really? What are you "willing" to do to stop him?

2green....imagine if that package passed in its original state

What package in what state? There are 5 proposals still all in flux ...3 in the house and 2 in the senate. When are you morons going to start telling the truth? Who do you think you are fooling with the constant flow of diahrea from your keyboards? Why is it that you won't allow intelligent debate on this subject. I am getting to the point that anything you assholes are against must be good because someone is paying a fortune to make sure you stupid fucks are all worked up.

Hey I have a question for you...Can you name ONE thing you neo cons have done for the average american? Name one. Just one. If you cannot I will assume you support policies that are not for the benefit of most americans and you can go directly to fuck yourself and consider yourself lucky that more americans do not feel the vengence I do for what you have done to this nation.

It doesn't matter how many healthcare reform proposals are out there. The fact is there are aspects in one or all them that Americans have deep concern with. And as far as your question on what have the "neo cons" done for the average American, I'm not here to argue Reps versus Dems. I am registered as an Independent and have problems with both parties. But lets not deflect from the subject at hand. Americans are speaking out on a number of issues, the biggest one at the moment being healthcare reform.

I'm sure the hundreds of millions the HMOs and the Pharms have spent to keep thier strangle hold on american health care has NOTHING to do will all the "speaking out".

Just what "aspects" should the average american be concerned with?

Short answer? While Obama denies this will be a government taker, the problem is he won't have a choice. if he wants a public option, to keep it in semblance of a budget, at some point the government is going to have to tell what it will or won't cover and/or regulate YOU and your diet and health choices on a personal level.

 

[Bern80]

Obama is leading America down the path of Fascism. The central government taking over the means of production, banks, news outlets, healthcare..........all that was done in the 1930's in Germany.

Are you freak'n kidding me!
For gods sake, the auto companies were bankrupt, NOBODY but the government was stepping up to merge and bail them out. It was either step in and back them up or put them out of business.
That and providing a government alternative constitutes fascism??? Adolph would be proud of you guys. Your use of the big lie is second only to Goebbels

You don't get it. No one should have stepped up to save them. That's the freaking point of a free market. That only the best survive. It was just a giant game of chicken and the American taxpayer lost.

 

[Immanuel]

What do you mean about so many of us "wanting to Obama Boat to sink"? I want it to succeed! Why else would I be working against HR 3200? I see HR 3200 as a hurricane about to hit the President's rowboat.

Seems like to me the best coarse of action is to stear him away from the hurricane.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

When the President's goals are counter to what I believe the Constitution states, I want his goals and policies to fail.

Did you feel the same way when Bush and Cheney were trashing the Constitution and enacting the so called Patriot Act ?

For me, the answer to that is yes.

Immie

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Obama is toast.. he's on a collision course with something he's never faced... ACCOUNTIBILITY.

"I inherited" and "the previous administration" cries aren't floating anymore... he owns this mess. The numbers keep coming in and they are getting worse. Couple that with his demands to committ to trillions more spending... nah.. he's done.

 

[Oldandtired]

I am not a republican or a democrat.

Here is what I don't understand.

The past administration drove this country into the ground.

I am not a big Obama fan, but shouldn't we at least give the guy a chance?

Why are soo many people here hoping and praying that he fails?

We are all in the same sinking boat.

Shouldn't we all be cheering for him to turn the country around and get us out of this mess ?

The problem with your question starts wiuth the problem with your premise...that the previous administration ran this country into the ground. Yes, Bush made mistakes. But all mistakes were supported by congress. Just as cvongress supported Clinton's mistakes and just as congress is suppoorting Obama's mistakes.

But toi answer your question...Obama wants to "fundamentally change America".....a mantra he used by "convincing people" that the previous administration ran the country into the ground.

DId it? Realy? Think about his little "look at yourself now....are you better or worse off than you were 8 years ago..." little slogan he had everyone saying...and then he would add in "of course you are worse off"....

Really?

No one I know...not ONE employee of mine was worse off...not one relative was worse off.....

Recession? Unemployemtn? Happens all the time.....blaming policies is a bunch of crap.

So anyway...suing his BS he had people vote him in to findamentally change something that is not broken......so yes....I WANT HIM TO FAIL.

 

[Darkwind]

Obama inherited a huge mess.

America is basically in the toilet.

I am willing to step back and see what he can do.

His legacy will either be that of a hero or a zero.

For Americas sake, I hope it's "Hero"

He inherited a mess.

He is turnong into a huge one.

I am not willing to let that marxist do anything more. He's already done enough.

Really? What are you "willing" to do to stop him?

2green....imagine if that package passed in its originally state

What package in what state? There are 5 proposals still all in flux ...3 in the house and 2 in the senate. When are you morons going to start telling the truth? Who do you think you are fooling with the constant flow of diahrea from your keyboards? Why is it that you won't allow intelligent debate on this subject. I am getting to the point that anything you assholes are against must be good because someone is paying a fortune to make sure you stupid fucks are all worked up.

Hey I have a question for you...Can you name ONE thing you neo cons have done for the average american? Name one. Just one. If you cannot I will assume you support policies that are not for the benefit of most americans and you can go directly to fuck yourself and consider yourself lucky that more americans do not feel the vengence I do for what you have done to this nation.

All of it in all five will eventually make it into committee.

I urge you to drink plenty of fluids because your diarrhea is flooding your brain.

 

[rightwinger]

But toi answer your question...Obama wants to "fundamentally change America".....a mantra he used by "convincing people" that the previous administration ran the country into the ground.

DId it? Realy? Think about his little "look at yourself now....are you better or worse off than you were 8 years ago..." little slogan he had everyone saying...and then he would add in "of course you are worse off"....

Really?

No one I know...not ONE employee of mine was worse off...not one relative was worse off.....

Recession? Unemployemtn? Happens all the time.....blaming policies is a bunch of crap.

So anyway...suing his BS he had people vote him in to findamentally change something that is not broken......so yes....I WANT HIM TO FAIL.

You ARE joking right?
You don't think we were worse off after 8 years of Bush? Not broken?
- Dow Jones 10750 at start 8150 at the end of his term
- Unemployment 4.6% at the start 7.8% at the end
- Bush started with a budget surplus and ran up $5 Trillion in debt
- Bush started with a strong economy and ended with the worse recession in 50 years
- Bush started two wars
- US reputation in a shambles around the globe

 

[Oldandtired]

But toi answer your question...Obama wants to "fundamentally change America".....a mantra he used by "convincing people" that the previous administration ran the country into the ground.

DId it? Realy? Think about his little "look at yourself now....are you better or worse off than you were 8 years ago..." little slogan he had everyone saying...and then he would add in "of course you are worse off"....

Really?

No one I know...not ONE employee of mine was worse off...not one relative was worse off.....

Recession? Unemployemtn? Happens all the time.....blaming policies is a bunch of crap.

So anyway...suing his BS he had people vote him in to findamentally change something that is not broken......so yes....I WANT HIM TO FAIL.

You ARE joking right?
You don't think we were worse off after 8 years of Bush? Not broken?
- Dow Jones 10750 at start 8150 at the end of his term
- Unemployment 4.6% at the start 7.8% at the end
- Bush started with a budget surplus and ran up $5 Trillion in debt
- Bush started with a strong economy and ended with the worse recession in 50 years
- Bush started two wars
- US reputation in a shambles around the globe

You are only fooling yourself.

Dow jones was at 14K before THE RECESSION
Unemplyment for 7 years was below 5%...BEFORE THE RECESSSION
9-11 resulted in the need to spend money on the military
He started with a recession and had 7 prosperous years before the next recession
Al Queda started one of the wars....Husseins refusal to abide by the treaty of 1992 started the other
US reputation in shambles? Really? Why are people risking life and limb to get here then?

Wow...you really are a "sheep"

 

[Oldandtired]

But toi answer your question...Obama wants to "fundamentally change America".....a mantra he used by "convincing people" that the previous administration ran the country into the ground.

DId it? Realy? Think about his little "look at yourself now....are you better or worse off than you were 8 years ago..." little slogan he had everyone saying...and then he would add in "of course you are worse off"....

Really?

No one I know...not ONE employee of mine was worse off...not one relative was worse off.....

Recession? Unemployemtn? Happens all the time.....blaming policies is a bunch of crap.

So anyway...suing his BS he had people vote him in to findamentally change something that is not broken......so yes....I WANT HIM TO FAIL.

You ARE joking right?
You don't think we were worse off after 8 years of Bush? Not broken?
- Dow Jones 10750 at start 8150 at the end of his term
- Unemployment 4.6% at the start 7.8% at the end
- Bush started with a budget surplus and ran up $5 Trillion in debt
- Bush started with a strong economy and ended with the worse recession in 50 years
- Bush started two wars
- US reputation in a shambles around the globe

Yo....Bah Bah Black Sheep....look around you schmucko......our poor live better than many middle class in most other countries.....People made a mint on investments during the 2000's...Housing sales were up dramatically....more poeple owned homes in the 2000's than ever before.

But the bad old recession came as it ddoes nearly every 6-8 years...and Obama decided to use it to win.

He lied to you and the rest of the sheep and you all look like the morons you are now as you regurgitate the same crap ass talking points that well educated people knew was just rhetoric.

Fool.

 

[rightwinger]

But toi answer your question...Obama wants to "fundamentally change America".....a mantra he used by "convincing people" that the previous administration ran the country into the ground.

DId it? Realy? Think about his little "look at yourself now....are you better or worse off than you were 8 years ago..." little slogan he had everyone saying...and then he would add in "of course you are worse off"....

Really?

No one I know...not ONE employee of mine was worse off...not one relative was worse off.....

Recession? Unemployemtn? Happens all the time.....blaming policies is a bunch of crap.

So anyway...suing his BS he had people vote him in to findamentally change something that is not broken......so yes....I WANT HIM TO FAIL.

You ARE joking right?
You don't think we were worse off after 8 years of Bush? Not broken?
- Dow Jones 10750 at start 8150 at the end of his term
- Unemployment 4.6% at the start 7.8% at the end
- Bush started with a budget surplus and ran up $5 Trillion in debt
- Bush started with a strong economy and ended with the worse recession in 50 years
- Bush started two wars
- US reputation in a shambles around the globe

You are only fooling yourself.

Dow jones was at 14K before THE RECESSION
Unemplyment for 7 years was below 5%...BEFORE THE RECESSSION
9-11 resulted in the need to spend money on the military
He started with a recession and had 7 prosperous years before the next recession
Al Queda started one of the wars....Husseins refusal to abide by the treaty of 1992 started the other
US reputation in shambles? Really? Why are people risking life and limb to get here then?

Wow...you really are a "sheep"

The question was are we worse off.
Dow Jones at 14K before it lost 7000 points
Unemployment was low until it skyrocketed
9-11 resulted in an attack on a country that had nothing to do with 9-11
Nothing had changed since 1992 in Husseins threat to this country....Bush demanded an immediate attack
Why was the US(read that Bush) despised around the globe?