Zone1 Who is the Messiah in Judaism?

[surada]

Well according to the “Jews” here, they say it will be a political leader.

They like to disregard and ignore the passages that clearly point to the fact it was Jesus:

Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2)
Will heal the blind, deaf, lame (Isaiah 35:5)
Will be given sovereign power and authority, every nation will serve him. Kingdom will have no end (Daniel 7:13)
Will bring an end to sin (Dan 9:24)
Will defeat death (Job 19:23-27)
He will be silent before his accusers (Psalm 38:12-13)
Will establish a New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34)

A Jewish scholar would give you very different explanations of the Old Testament verses.

 

[theHawk]

So you concede that Jesus isn't named. Thank you.

Why would he need to be named? He is described. Where he comes from, things that he will do.

 

[theHawk]

There are plenty of resources available on this topic. Here is one to start with

Mashiach: The Messiah - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

Traditional Jewish concept of the messiah (mashiach): what he will be like, what he will do, what the messianic age will be like, and why Jews do not believe Jesus was the messiah.

www.jewfaq.org

Should be easy to cite scripture then, instead of just posting a link.

Your link claims that Isaiah 2 says a “central government” will be established in Israel. That is a lie.

No mortal political leader is going to end all war and sin.

 

[rosends]

Why would he need to be named? He is described. Where he comes from, things that he will do.

Except that he is only described as driven by your agenda and interpretation. You take a verse and decide it must apply to him therefore it describes him. I take the same verse and say it refers to something else so it doesn't describe him. That clarifies that your position is based only on interpretation and not identification. I'm glad you agree.

 

[rosends]

Should be easy to cite scripture then, instead of just posting a link.

Your link claims that Isaiah 2 says a “central government” will be established in Israel. That is a lie.

No mortal political leader is going to end all war and sin.

It should be easy to read a link instead of demanding that entire content is retyped for your convenience.

And your reaction to it, claiming that it doesn't say what it says, or that you think it can't happen that way is adorable but useless.

 

[theHawk]

It should be easy to read a link instead of demanding that entire content is retyped for your convenience.

And your reaction to it, claiming that it doesn't say what it says, or that you think it can't happen that way is adorable but useless.

Don’t need entire sections of commentary copied. Just the scripture.

 

[theHawk]

I take the same verse and say it refers to something else so it doesn't describe him

Yet you never articulate these verses.

 

[rosends]

Don’t need entire sections of commentary copied. Just the scripture.

So you need scripture copied instead of reading it from a provided link. Got it.

 

[rosends]

Yet you never articulate these verses.

They are on the link. Can you not read?

 

[theHawk]

They are on the link. Can you not read?

Your link claims:

He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

Yet nowhere in Jer 33:15 does it say he will not be divine, and completely ignores verse 16:

“‘In those days and at that time
I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David’s line;
he will do what is just and right in the land.
16 In those days Judah will be saved
and Jerusalem will live in safety.
This is the name by which it[c] will be called:
The Lord Our Righteous Savior.’

A mere mortal is going to be called The LORD, our Righteous SAVIOR?


A mortal man is going to have a kingdom WITHOUT end?

 

[rosends]

Your link claims:

He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

Yet nowhere in Jer 33:15 does it say he will not be divine, and completely ignores verse 16:

“‘In those days and at that time
I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David’s line;
he will do what is just and right in the land.
16 In those days Judah will be saved
and Jerusalem will live in safety.
This is the name by which it[c] will be called:
The Lord Our Righteous Savior.’

A mere mortal is going to be called The LORD, our Righteous SAVIOR?


A mortal man is going to have a kingdom WITHOUT end?

First off, the text also doesn't say the messiah won't be a giraffe. You need a list of things it isn't for you to be convinced? That's sad.

Next, you quote a silly translation -- one of the worst I have seen in a while. Your bad translation reads:
" In those days Judah will be saved
and Jerusalem will live in safety.
This is the name by which it[c] will be called:
The Lord Our Righteous Savior.’"

If you look carefully, the thing being named isn't the messiah but the city of Jerusalem. That's why your translation has "it" in that third line. What makes it even more embarrassing is that there is a note (the letter [c]) which, if you open it, reads "or he". Except for one thing -- the Hebrew is really explicit and clear -- the words here are in the feminine, so it should read "SHE" not he.

"In those days shall Yehuda be saved, and Yerushalayim shall dwell safely: and this is the name whereby she shall be called, namely, The Lord is our righteousness."

In the Hebrew, there is no word "savior" in that verse. "Tzidkeinu" means "our righteousness."

You are looking for 23:6, "In his days Yehuda shall be saved, and Yisra᾽el shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord is our righteousness."

Now note that this is how he will be called -- a name, or better, a title. This doesn't mean that he is anything different from a man. Men have names that incorporate God's name.

 

[irosie91]

Should be easy to cite scripture then, instead of just posting a link.

Your link claims that Isaiah 2 says a “central government” will be established in Israel. That is a lie.

No mortal political leader is going to end all war and sin.

No Isaiah, VERY CLEARLY, describes a central government with a NON-WARRIOR king
in a society in which there is no fighting army at all. He was a poet

 

[irosie91]

Why would he need to be named? He is described. Where he comes from, things that he will do.

who? the king or the person called "MESSIAH"?

 

[theHawk]

No Isaiah, VERY CLEARLY, describes a central government with a NON-WARRIOR king
in a society in which there is no fighting army at all. He was a poet

I love how you just disregard parts of Isaiah, but the part where you claim he is a non-warrior king, well he is a prophet and not a poet.

 

[theHawk]

who? the king or the person called "MESSIAH"?

We’re talking about the Messiah, who is also a king.

 

[irosie91]

We’re talking about the Messiah, who is also a king.

depends on how the word "MESSIAH" is defined in your jelly bean school.

 

[Cougarbear]

Who Is the Messiah in Judaism? | Judaica Webstore Blog

What does Judaism say about the coming of the Messiah, and what are the prophecies this figure will fulfill? What role does the awaiting of the Messiah play in everyday Judaism? Read on to learn more!

blog.judaicawebstore.com

What does Judaism say about the coming of the Messiah, and what are the prophecies this figure will fulfill? What role does the awaiting of the Messiah play in everyday Judaism? Read on to learn more!

Who Is the Messiah?


The Messiah, known in Hebrew as Moshiach or Mashiach and meaning “the anointed one,” is a Jewish leader from Biblical prophecy.
The Jewish messiah is a human being, a descendant of King David, who will lead the Jewish people back to the Land of Israel, where they serve G‑d in peace, leading the nations of the world in attaining an understanding of the Creator.
In Judaism, the concept of the Messiah (or Mashiach) refers to a future Jewish leader who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and fulfill various prophetic roles. The specific details and beliefs about the Messiah can vary among different Jewish traditions and interpretations.
In Judaism, the Messiah is seen as a human being, not a divine figure or deity. The term "Mashiach" is derived from the Hebrew word meaning "anointed one" and is often translated as "Messiah" in English.

What Will the Messiah Do?


The role of the Messiah in Jewish belief includes:
1. Rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem: The Messiah is expected to gather the Jewish people from exile and oversee the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, where worship and sacrifices will be restored.
2. Gathering of Jewish exiles: The Messiah is anticipated to gather the dispersed Jewish people from all corners of the Earth and bring them back to the land of Israel.
3. Establishing peace and justice: The Messiah is envisioned as a righteous king who will establish a reign of peace, justice, and harmony throughout the world. This period is referred to as the Messianic Age or the World to Come.
4. Spreading knowledge of God: The Messiah is believed to be a teacher who will spread knowledge and awareness of God, guiding people to a deeper understanding of spiritual truths.
It is important to note that Judaism does not view the coming of the Messiah as the central focus of religious life or salvation. Observant Jews emphasize the fulfillment of individual and collective responsibilities to God and humanity in the present rather than solely relying on the arrival of the Messiah.

The Role of the Messiah in Modern Judaism


The awaiting of the Messiah plays a significant role in everyday Judaism, although its specific impact can vary among different Jewish communities and individuals. Here are a few ways in which the anticipation of the Messiah influences Jewish life:
1. Hope and Optimism: The belief in the eventual coming of the Messiah instills a sense of hope and optimism in many Jewish individuals and communities. It provides a vision of a better future, where peace, justice, and harmony prevail. This hope can serve as a source of inspiration and motivation for living a righteous life and working towards a better world.
2. Prayer and Liturgy: References to the Messiah can be found in Jewish prayers, liturgy, and religious texts. Prayers such as the Amidah (the central prayer of the Jewish liturgy) often include petitions for the coming of the Messiah and the establishment of the Messianic Age. The anticipation of the Messiah is integrated into Jewish worship and serves as a reminder of the ultimate redemption that is hoped for.
3. Ethical Living and Social Justice: The belief in the Messiah and the Messianic Age encourages many Jews to engage in acts of kindness, compassion, and social justice. The vision of a world characterized by justice and righteousness inspires individuals to work towards these ideals in their daily lives. Many Jewish organizations and individuals are actively involved in initiatives aimed at repairing the world (Tikkun Olam) and creating a more just and equitable society.
4. Studying Messianic Prophecies: The study and interpretation of Messianic prophecies are an important aspect of Jewish scholarship and religious exploration. Jewish scholars and students engage in the study of biblical texts, rabbinic writings, and other sources to deepen their understanding of the Messianic concept and its implications.
It is worth noting that while the awaiting of the Messiah is a significant aspect of Jewish belief and practice, Judaism also places a strong emphasis on personal and communal responsibility in the present. Observant Jews strive to lead righteous lives, fulfill the commandments (mitzvot), engage in acts of loving-kindness, and contribute to the betterment of society, irrespective of the timing of the Messiah's arrival.

Where in the scriptures of Jews does it say that we are to promote Social Justice?

 

[Cougarbear]

Who Is the Messiah in Judaism? | Judaica Webstore Blog

What does Judaism say about the coming of the Messiah, and what are the prophecies this figure will fulfill? What role does the awaiting of the Messiah play in everyday Judaism? Read on to learn more!

blog.judaicawebstore.com

What does Judaism say about the coming of the Messiah, and what are the prophecies this figure will fulfill? What role does the awaiting of the Messiah play in everyday Judaism? Read on to learn more!

Who Is the Messiah?


The Messiah, known in Hebrew as Moshiach or Mashiach and meaning “the anointed one,” is a Jewish leader from Biblical prophecy.
The Jewish messiah is a human being, a descendant of King David, who will lead the Jewish people back to the Land of Israel, where they serve G‑d in peace, leading the nations of the world in attaining an understanding of the Creator.
In Judaism, the concept of the Messiah (or Mashiach) refers to a future Jewish leader who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and fulfill various prophetic roles. The specific details and beliefs about the Messiah can vary among different Jewish traditions and interpretations.
In Judaism, the Messiah is seen as a human being, not a divine figure or deity. The term "Mashiach" is derived from the Hebrew word meaning "anointed one" and is often translated as "Messiah" in English.

What Will the Messiah Do?


The role of the Messiah in Jewish belief includes:
1. Rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem: The Messiah is expected to gather the Jewish people from exile and oversee the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, where worship and sacrifices will be restored.
2. Gathering of Jewish exiles: The Messiah is anticipated to gather the dispersed Jewish people from all corners of the Earth and bring them back to the land of Israel.
3. Establishing peace and justice: The Messiah is envisioned as a righteous king who will establish a reign of peace, justice, and harmony throughout the world. This period is referred to as the Messianic Age or the World to Come.
4. Spreading knowledge of God: The Messiah is believed to be a teacher who will spread knowledge and awareness of God, guiding people to a deeper understanding of spiritual truths.
It is important to note that Judaism does not view the coming of the Messiah as the central focus of religious life or salvation. Observant Jews emphasize the fulfillment of individual and collective responsibilities to God and humanity in the present rather than solely relying on the arrival of the Messiah.

The Role of the Messiah in Modern Judaism


The awaiting of the Messiah plays a significant role in everyday Judaism, although its specific impact can vary among different Jewish communities and individuals. Here are a few ways in which the anticipation of the Messiah influences Jewish life:
1. Hope and Optimism: The belief in the eventual coming of the Messiah instills a sense of hope and optimism in many Jewish individuals and communities. It provides a vision of a better future, where peace, justice, and harmony prevail. This hope can serve as a source of inspiration and motivation for living a righteous life and working towards a better world.
2. Prayer and Liturgy: References to the Messiah can be found in Jewish prayers, liturgy, and religious texts. Prayers such as the Amidah (the central prayer of the Jewish liturgy) often include petitions for the coming of the Messiah and the establishment of the Messianic Age. The anticipation of the Messiah is integrated into Jewish worship and serves as a reminder of the ultimate redemption that is hoped for.
3. Ethical Living and Social Justice: The belief in the Messiah and the Messianic Age encourages many Jews to engage in acts of kindness, compassion, and social justice. The vision of a world characterized by justice and righteousness inspires individuals to work towards these ideals in their daily lives. Many Jewish organizations and individuals are actively involved in initiatives aimed at repairing the world (Tikkun Olam) and creating a more just and equitable society.
4. Studying Messianic Prophecies: The study and interpretation of Messianic prophecies are an important aspect of Jewish scholarship and religious exploration. Jewish scholars and students engage in the study of biblical texts, rabbinic writings, and other sources to deepen their understanding of the Messianic concept and its implications.
It is worth noting that while the awaiting of the Messiah is a significant aspect of Jewish belief and practice, Judaism also places a strong emphasis on personal and communal responsibility in the present. Observant Jews strive to lead righteous lives, fulfill the commandments (mitzvot), engage in acts of loving-kindness, and contribute to the betterment of society, irrespective of the timing of the Messiah's arrival.

2 Samuel 7:14I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; when he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men,
Psalm 2:7“I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘Thou art My Son, Today I have begotten Thee.
Psalm 2:11-12Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.
Proverbs 30:4Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son’s name?
Surely you know!
Isaiah 7:14“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6-7For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.
Daniel 3:25He answered and said, “Look! I see four men loosed and walking about in the midst of the fire without harm, and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods!”
Hosea 11:1When Israel was a youth I loved him,And out of Egypt I called My son.
Micah 5:1-3“Now muster yourselves in troops, daughter of troops; they have laid siege against us; with a rod they will smite the judge of Israel on the cheek. 2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, from the days of eternity.” 3 Therefore, He will give them up until the time when she who is in labor has borne a child.
Isaiah 53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?m2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.m3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.n4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

The idea that the Messiah will first appear in all His glory to rule is pathetic ignorance of the Old Testament scriptures. He obviously would be born in Bethlehem of a young woman or virgin and bring a new covenant to Israel and the Gentiles. He would be rejected by the tribe of Judah or the Jews on His first visit to the Earth. This is not to say He would not return and do all that is also promised in the last days of the 6,000 years of the fold of Adam and Eve.

 

[irosie91]

Where in the scriptures of Jews does it say that we are to promote Social Justice?

what is "scripture" in jewish literature? I get it that christians tend to use their
bible like a OUJI BOARD but jews to lots----to the point of ENDLESS scholarly
writings. Just the Mishnah is a lot longer than the NT----and the TALMUD---well--
endless

 

[Cougarbear]

what is "scripture" in jewish literature? I get it that christians tend to use their
bible like a OUJI BOARD but jews to lots----to the point of ENDLESS scholarly
writings. Just the Mishnah is a lot longer than the NT----and the TALMUD---well--
endless

Have no idea what you mean using the board like a Quiji Board. Scriptures are words of the prophets. Christians read the words and interpret them just like Jews do with the Talmud. And, if people interpret different whether Jew or Christian than the scholars or rabbis of the 2nd to the 5th Century AD, then they are sinners. Yet, the Lord said, He is no respector of men and the scriptures are open to personal interpretations. You may interpret differently based on the Holy Spirt teaching you for your benefit. But, later give you more direction and teach you more truth of what you read. That happened to me.