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...Not really on the topic of the threads, but in response to the title....
Only I can forgive my sins and only through accepting responsibility for my actions.
Only I can forgive my sins and only through accepting responsibility for my actions.
forgive what can be forgotten - responsibility, is that synonymous with restitution ...
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again ...
. good luck with that one, howabout a $10,000 loan. to my neighbor, they try real hard at being contentious ...
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
. - how is responsibility possible without restitution ......Not really on the topic of the threads, but in response to the title....
Only I can forgive my sins and only through accepting responsibility for my actions.
Only I can forgive my sins and only through accepting responsibility for my actions.
forgive what can be forgotten - responsibility, is that synonymous with restitution ...
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again ...
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
God created everything in the universe, including pain, suffering and sin.
AND humans were MADE to eat/''interact'' with the opposite sex/etclot's of people commit adultery and don't get punished--plain and simpleyou don't get punished for adultery/gluttony/etc etcI wouldn't say that. Have you been to jail?
I'll take that as a yes haha. One could get punished if one gets caught for adultery; they end up divorced or worse killed or injured in the heat of passion. Gluttony leads to health problems. It's all natural.
Now, you said humans were "made" to sin which isn't exactly correct. Adam and Eve were created to not disobey God. Not go against him. That was the only rule because they had free will. Going against God isn't natural. A talking snake isn't natural. Everything else was at the time.
The other important part to remember is God had already created hell because of Lucifer going against him. In his infinite wisdom, this was all part of natural.
Afterward, we live in the fallen world. You and I and everyone here didn't have much choice for that. That's why in this life I agreed with you that to sin is natural. We can't help it even if we are Christians.
Jeez, I disagree with that. Are you married or have been married? In a relationship? In law enforcement, it doesn't take long for one to get involved in a crime of passion or heated marital or man-woman argument. .
very ridiculous to ''punish'' humans for doing what they do naturally
Yesterday, I was faced with a moral dilemma for Christians. I am a big Alfred Hitchcock fan and Psycho (1960) is one of my favorite movies of his. I think everyone knows of the famous or infamous shower scene where Marion Crane is killed. It is considered the first slasher movie.
My question is this: If Marion was Christian, then was she forgiven for her sins? Did she repent? I think most people have seen the movie and this won't be a spoiler. Marion stole $40,000, or about $346,000 in today's dollars. She decided to go back home and return the money and make up for the difference. Contrary to popular belief, she was not committing adultery with a married man, as Sam Loomis was divorced. She can be in sin having sex out of wedlock, but who's counting?
“Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Mark 2:7
Do you think she was forgiven?
Here's what happened once she decided to come clean (no pun intended). The shower scene is symbolic of Marion cleansing her sins.
What happens to her afterward is symbolic of Satan. Notice how the evidence of sin is not asked to be cleansed, but it is the evidence of sin is cleansed
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forgive what can be forgotten - responsibility, is that synonymous with restitution ...
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again ...
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
...Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again ...
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
the middle quote is your example ...
restitution would be peripheral to the internal admonition of responsibility and is applicable to the injured party your internal correction is not - like keeping the stolen car but saying you will not do it again.
Yesterday, I was faced with a moral dilemma for Christians. I am a big Alfred Hitchcock fan and Psycho (1960) is one of my favorite movies of his. I think everyone knows of the famous or infamous shower scene where Marion Crane is killed. It is considered the first slasher movie.
My question is this: If Marion was Christian, then was she forgiven for her sins? Did she repent? I think most people have seen the movie and this won't be a spoiler. Marion stole $40,000, or about $346,000 in today's dollars. She decided to go back home and return the money and make up for the difference. Contrary to popular belief, she was not committing adultery with a married man, as Sam Loomis was divorced. She can be in sin having sex out of wedlock, but who's counting?
“Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Mark 2:7
Do you think she was forgiven?
Here's what happened once she decided to come clean (no pun intended). The shower scene is symbolic of Marion cleansing her sins.
What happens to her afterward is symbolic of Satan. Notice how the evidence of sin is not asked to be cleansed, but it is the evidence of sin is cleansed
God the Father, next!
God the Father, next!
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It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again ...
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
the middle quote is your example ...
restitution would be peripheral to the internal admonition of responsibility and is applicable to the injured party your internal correction is not - like keeping the stolen car but saying you will not do it again.
But in the example the injured party has already said they want no further contact. In order to provide restitution (which I suppose would be an apology) would require going against their wishes. I can only take responsibility by further intruding on them?
But in the example the injured party has already said they want no further contact. In order to provide restitution (which I suppose would be an apology) would require going against their wishes. I can only take responsibility by further intruding on them?
...How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
the middle quote is your example ...
restitution would be peripheral to the internal admonition of responsibility and is applicable to the injured party your internal correction is not - like keeping the stolen car but saying you will not do it again.
But in the example the injured party has already said they want no further contact. In order to provide restitution (which I suppose would be an apology) would require going against their wishes. I can only take responsibility by further intruding on them?
But in the example the injured party has already said they want no further contact. In order to provide restitution (which I suppose would be an apology) would require going against their wishes. I can only take responsibility by further intruding on them?
that is a possible example for your conclusion were restitution still made available with or without the other parties acceptance especially in your example what the issue was for them to never see you again. for the purpose to alleviate a sin ... restitution is responsibility.
Yesterday, I was faced with a moral dilemma for Christians. I am a big Alfred Hitchcock fan and Psycho (1960) is one of my favorite movies of his. I think everyone knows of the famous or infamous shower scene where Marion Crane is killed. It is considered the first slasher movie.
My question is this: If Marion was Christian, then was she forgiven for her sins? Did she repent? I think most people have seen the movie and this won't be a spoiler. Marion stole $40,000, or about $346,000 in today's dollars. She decided to go back home and return the money and make up for the difference. Contrary to popular belief, she was not committing adultery with a married man, as Sam Loomis was divorced. She can be in sin having sex out of wedlock, but who's counting?
“Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Mark 2:7
Do you think she was forgiven?
Here's what happened once she decided to come clean (no pun intended). The shower scene is symbolic of Marion cleansing her sins.
What happens to her afterward is symbolic of Satan. Notice how the evidence of sin is not asked to be cleansed, but it is the evidence of sin is cleansed
God the Father, next!
I don't remember any plan of Marion to return the money
I don't remember any plan of Marion to return the money
This part is subject to interpretation. One reviewer thought the shower scene was the cleansing of her sins. Just being killed is not repentance for her sins. It means that she changed her ways from talking with a stranger and figuring out what she had to do to make restitution. $700 back then is about $6000. She also has to get another car and give up her future with Sam. What did you think she was going to do?
My understanding is that to the degree that someone, in this case Marione,
forgives trespasses, then her trespasses are forgiven.
I don't know what is going on "internally" with her and others
between them and God, how much they have forgiven between them.
I don't remember any plan of Marion to return the money
This part is subject to interpretation. One reviewer thought the shower scene was the cleansing of her sins. Just being killed is not repentance for her sins. It means that she changed her ways from talking with a stranger and figuring out what she had to do to make restitution. $700 back then is about $6000. She also has to get another car and give up her future with Sam. What did you think she was going to do?
I do not believe that even HITCHCOCK considered "WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO"------it was a story-----a movie meant to provide SUSPENSE. ----the stabbing was there for EFFECT ------not a substitution for the "sacrifice of the lamb"
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Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
the middle quote is your example ...
restitution would be peripheral to the internal admonition of responsibility and is applicable to the injured party your internal correction is not - like keeping the stolen car but saying you will not do it again.
But in the example the injured party has already said they want no further contact. In order to provide restitution (which I suppose would be an apology) would require going against their wishes. I can only take responsibility by further intruding on them?
But in the example the injured party has already said they want no further contact. In order to provide restitution (which I suppose would be an apology) would require going against their wishes. I can only take responsibility by further intruding on them?
that is a possible example for your conclusion were restitution still made available with or without the other parties acceptance especially in your example what the issue was for them to never see you again. for the purpose to alleviate a sin ... restitution is responsibility.
We are not going to agree on this. Restitution is not responsibility, it is simply a way to mitigate harm. You can do that while still taking no responsibility at all.
We are not going to agree on this. Restitution is not responsibility, it is simply a way to mitigate harm. You can do that while still taking no responsibility at all.
...Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
Responsibility may lead to restitution, but is not the same thing. It may only mean acceptance of the wrong and working not to do it again.
How about treating someone badly and being told they never want to see you again.
Define restitution. I am at a loss as to how that would apply to my example.
the middle quote is your example ...
restitution would be peripheral to the internal admonition of responsibility and is applicable to the injured party your internal correction is not - like keeping the stolen car but saying you will not do it again.
But in the example the injured party has already said they want no further contact. In order to provide restitution (which I suppose would be an apology) would require going against their wishes. I can only take responsibility by further intruding on them?
But in the example the injured party has already said they want no further contact. In order to provide restitution (which I suppose would be an apology) would require going against their wishes. I can only take responsibility by further intruding on them?
that is a possible example for your conclusion were restitution still made available with or without the other parties acceptance especially in your example what the issue was for them to never see you again. for the purpose to alleviate a sin ... restitution is responsibility.
We are not going to agree on this. Restitution is not responsibility, it is simply a way to mitigate harm. You can do that while still taking no responsibility at all.
We are not going to agree on this. Restitution is not responsibility, it is simply a way to mitigate harm. You can do that while still taking no responsibility at all.
it is simply a way to mitigate harm .
one might inquire why that would not be required, not mitigation but a complete reversal of the harm created. or the responsibility becomes otherwise irrelevant. the victim not yourself is the focal point.
keeping the stolen car while feeling bad about stealing it is a bit of stretch.
your example is no different whether accepted or not the effort to undo the harm would be required over leaving it intact.
