Who Are The Palestinians?

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Rafeef Ziadah

 

[Phoenall]

Israeli clearly doesn't target civilians, unlike regimes like Syria and terrorists like ISIS. Any claims to the contrary are anti-semitic.

"(Gaza) – Israeli forces in the southern Gaza town of Khuza’a fired on and killed civilians in apparent violation of the laws of war in several incidents between July 23 and 25, 2014. Deliberate attacks on civilians who are not participating in the fighting are war crimes...."

Gaza Israeli Soldiers Shoot and Kill Fleeing Civilians Human Rights Watch

Would that be the Spanish then

Perhaps, but why would Spain be bestowed with such an honor?

Basque seperatists. Then there are the Tamils, the Irish, Welsh, S.A. to name but a few that well above the Israelis as you are trying to imply.

Basque seperatists? What category would you place the others?

What about the Kurds or Tibet?

What category are the Palestinians?

Good question. Palestinians are in the category of INCREDIBLY STUPID. Have you noticed how every time they kill Israel's, Israel retaliates killing far more Palestinians & then the Palestinians & their supporters bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian Mentality.

The French killed many more Algerians in retaliation. Made no difference, the Europeans were forced to leave eventually although they had lived in Algeria for generations. Colonizers are always better armed and better equipped than the colonized.

Maybe we could come to a compromise and swap our islamonazis for the Jews in the M.E. Now hamas put a fair figure of 2,000 islamonazi's to 1 Jew so we will have that as a starting point.

 

[Phoenall]

Basque seperatists. Then there are the Tamils, the Irish, Welsh, S.A. to name but a few that well above the Israelis as you are trying to imply.

Basque seperatists? What category would you place the others?

What about the Kurds or Tibet?

What category are the Palestinians?

If they target unarmed civlians mainly children they are terrorists, if they target only military then they are freedom fighters. The Palestinians target Israeli children almost exclusively making them the worst of terrorists that should be executed on sight. When they stop firing illegal weapons trained on schools in Israel then they will be ready to join the human race. Until then they are barbaric blood thirsty psychopathic scum

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.

In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org​

And the source is an islamonazi terrorist who are known to lie through their teeth all the time. The people living in Israel are civilians according to the Geneva conventions irrespective of what hamas and fatah decide.

Not true. Look it up.

Why don't you link to the Geneva conventions that says the citizens of Israel are not civilians. Then tell the world that the arab muslims are not civilians under the same rules.

 

[Linkiloo]

Israeli clearly doesn't target civilians, unlike regimes like Syria and terrorists like ISIS. Any claims to the contrary are anti-semitic.

"(Gaza) – Israeli forces in the southern Gaza town of Khuza’a fired on and killed civilians in apparent violation of the laws of war in several incidents between July 23 and 25, 2014. Deliberate attacks on civilians who are not participating in the fighting are war crimes...."

Gaza Israeli Soldiers Shoot and Kill Fleeing Civilians Human Rights Watch

Would that be the Spanish then

Perhaps, but why would Spain be bestowed with such an honor?

Basque seperatists. Then there are the Tamils, the Irish, Welsh, S.A. to name but a few that well above the Israelis as you are trying to imply.

Basque seperatists? What category would you place the others?

What about the Kurds or Tibet?

What category are the Palestinians?

Good question. Palestinians are in the category of INCREDIBLY STUPID. Have you noticed how every time they kill Israel's, Israel retaliates killing far more Palestinians & then the Palestinians & their supporters bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian Mentality.

The French killed many more Algerians in retaliation. Made no difference, the Europeans were forced to leave eventually although they had lived in Algeria for generations. Colonizers are always better armed and better equipped than the colonized.

Having read that article, I must conclude that it is not Israelis practise to shoot at civilians. In each case reported in your article, we have no substantiation and we have specific information that Israel attempted to avoid civilians deaths by warning civilians in advance and asking them to leave. Terrorists do the opposite i.e. they aim to kill innocents and do not do so by accident. It can only be anti-semitic to allege that Israel aims to kill the innocent.

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend P F Tinmore gets this wrong all the time. He cannot distinguish between a "protected person" and a "civilian." And he does not know his way around either the Hague Convention or the Geneva Conventions (plural).

And the source is an islamonazi terrorist who are known to lie through their teeth all the time. The people living in Israel are civilians according to the Geneva conventions irrespective of what hamas and fatah decide.

Not true. Look it up.

Why don't you link to the Geneva conventions that says the citizens of Israel are not civilians. Then tell the world that the arab muslims are not civilians under the same rules.

(REFERENCES)

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.
Definition of civilians and civilian population

• 
  Article 50 [ Link ] -- Definition of civilians and civilian population
  
  1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) [ Link ] of the Third Convention and in Article 43 [ Link ] of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.
  
  2. The civilian population comprises all persons who are civilians.
  
  3. The presence within the civilian population of individuals who do not come within the definition of civilians does not deprive the population of its civilian character.

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of Non-International Armed Conflicts (Protocol II), 8 June 1977.
Protection of the civilian population

Part IV : Civilian population

• 
  Article 13 [ Link ] -- Protection of the civilian population
  
  1. The civilian population and individual civilians shall enjoy general protection against the dangers arising from military operations. To give effect to this protection, the following rules shall be observed in all circumstances.
  
  2. The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack. Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.
  
  3. Civilians shall enjoy the protection afforded by this Part, unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Penal legislation. V. Penalties. Death penalty

• 
  ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
  
  Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 [ Link ] of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.
  The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 [ Link ] and 65 [ Link ] may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.
  The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
  In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.

Rule 5. Civilians are persons who are not members of the armed forces. The civilian population comprises all persons who are civilians.
Summary

State practice establishes this rule as a norm of customary international law applicable in international armed conflicts. It also applies to non-international armed conflicts although practice is ambiguous as to whether members of armed opposition groups are considered members of armed forces or civilians.
International armed conflicts.

The definition of civilians as persons who are not members of the armed forces is set forth in Article 50 of Additional Protocol I, to which no reservations have been made. It is also contained in numerous military manuals. It is reflected in reported practice. This practice includes that of States not, or not at the time, party to Additional Protocol I. In its judgment in the Blaškić case in 2000, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia defined civilians as “persons who are not, or no longer, members of the armed forces”. No official contrary practice was found. Some practice adds the condition that civilians are persons who do not participate in hostilities. This additional requirement merely reinforces the rule that a civilian who participates directly in hostilities loses protection against attack (see Rule 6). However, such a civilian does not thereby become a combatant entitled to prisoner-of-war status and, upon capture, may be tried under national law for the mere participation in the conflict, subject to fair trial guarantees (see Rule 100).​

(COMMENT)

The fact that some Palestinians attempt to spread disinformation on the scope, nature and definition of civilians establishes their credibility. While Article 4 of the GCIV defines the term of "protected person," it does not define what a "civilian" is either under International Customary Law (ICL) or the Geneva Convention Protocols. This disinformation spread by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) is merely an attempt to justify the attacks by the HoAP terrorists, Jihadist and Fedayeen on Israeli civilians.

No matter what the HoAP may lay before you in terms of using "all available means, particularly armed struggle" --- these are non-binding resolutions that do not supersede either ICL or the great conventions (Hague and Geneva).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Susan Abulhawa

Irrelevant and off topic

What do you mean? The title of the thread is "Who are the Palestinians?"

Of course there are millions of answers and this is just one.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

So you an prove they were incorporated into Israel against their will can you, when according to you lot many were forced not to be incorporated

Nazareth, Jaffa, etc. were incorporated into Israel without the people's consent.

So where is the non partisan proof of this, as your word is not accepted by anyone.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Basque seperatists? What category would you place the others?

What about the Kurds or Tibet?

What category are the Palestinians?

If they target unarmed civlians mainly children they are terrorists, if they target only military then they are freedom fighters. The Palestinians target Israeli children almost exclusively making them the worst of terrorists that should be executed on sight. When they stop firing illegal weapons trained on schools in Israel then they will be ready to join the human race. Until then they are barbaric blood thirsty psychopathic scum

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.

In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org​

And the source is an islamonazi terrorist who are known to lie through their teeth all the time. The people living in Israel are civilians according to the Geneva conventions irrespective of what hamas and fatah decide.

Not true. Look it up.

Why don't you link to the Geneva conventions that says the citizens of Israel are not civilians. Then tell the world that the arab muslims are not civilians under the same rules.

B. -- ' In occupied territories; ' protection is accorded to all persons who are not of the nationality of the occupying State.

https://www.icrc.org/ihl/COM/380-600007?OpenDocument
-----------------------
Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS

Palestinian groups involved in political violence[edit]

• Hamas
  • Founded in 1987 by Ahmed Yassin and Mohammad Taha as an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas' goal is the establishment of a Palestinian state.[153]
  • Armed wing is the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades; the sole target of its suicide bombings and missile attacks is Israel.[153]
  • Took part in 2006 elections and won. After the 2007 Battle of Gaza the Hamas government was disbanded by Mahmoud Abbas but remained de facto rulers of the Gaza Strip.
  • Currently led by Khaled Mashaal and Ismail Haniyeh

• Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) (founded 1970s)
  • Formed by Fathi Shaqaqi as a branch of Egyptian Islamic Jihad
  • Goal is the destruction of the state of Israel and replacement with an Islamist state[citation needed]
  • Armed wing is the Al-Quds Brigades (Jerusalem brigades)
  • Currently led by Ramadan Shallah, the Secretary General and Abd Al Aziz Awda
• The Popular Resistance Committees
  • Islamist
  • Founded in 2000 by Jamal Abu Samhadana who led the group until he was killed in 2006.
  • Hamas linked group, based in the Gaza Strip
• Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) (founded June 1964)
  • Formed as the political representation of the Palestinian people
  • Currently led by Mahmoud Abbas

Sub-groups of the PLO[edit]

• Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) (founded 1967)
  • Left-wing
  • Joined the PLO in 1968 and became the second-largest PLO faction, after Arafat's al-Fatah, but withdrew in 1974, accusing the group of moving away from the goal of abolishing the State of Israel. It was led by Abu Ali Mustapha until his assassination in 2001.[154][155][156]
  • Armed wing is the Abu Ali Mustapha Brigades and Jihad Jibril Brigades[157]
  • Currently led by Ahmad Sa'adat
• Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) (founded 1969)
  • Marxist-Leninist group that believes Palestinian national goals can be achieved only through revolution of the masses. Split into two factions in 1991; Nayif Hawatmah leads the majority and more hard-line faction, which continue to dominate the group. Joined with other rejectionist groups to form the Alliance of Palestinian Forces (APF) to oppose the Declaration of Principles signed in 1993. Broke from the APF – along with the PFLP – over ideological differences. Has made limited moves towards merging with the PFLP since the mid-1990s.
• Abu Nidal organization (ANO), also known as Fatah - the Revolutionary Council (FRC), (founded 1974)
  • Split from PLO; part of the so-called rejectionist front, the ANO is a secular, nationalist group. Was led by Abu Nidal, widely regarded as the most ruthless of the Palestinian leaders, until his death in August 2002. According to Kameel Nasr, Arab and Israeli Terrorism, The group was infiltrated and influenced by Israeli security.
• Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
  • Minor Left wing faction
  • Founded in 196 by Ahmed Jibril and Shafiq al-Hout, re established in 1977 by Abu Abbas
• Arab Liberation Front (ALF)
  • Minor faction tied to the Iraqi Ba'ath Party
  • Founded in 1969, first leader was Zeid Heidar
  • Currently led by Rakad Salem
• As-Sa'iqa (VPLW)
  • Palestinian branch of the Syrian Ba'ath Party
  • Founded in 1966 as alternative to Fatah, organisation boycotts Palestinian National Authority and is opposed to Oslo Accords
  • Organisation was not active during the Second Intifada
  • Currently led by Farhan Abu Al-Hayja.
• Palestinian Popular Struggle Front (PPSF)
  • Minor Socialist faction formerly led by Samir Ghawshah
• Palestinian Arab Front (PAF)
  • Minor Arab Nationalist faction
  • Originally part of the ALF, split from the ALF in 1993
  • Supports the Palestinian right of return and creation of Palestinian state within 1967 borders
  • Currently led by Jameel Shihadeh.
• Fatah (founded early 1960s)[158]
  • Palestinian nationalist political party
  • Reverse acronym for "Harekat at-Tahrir al-Wataniyyeh al-Falastiniyyeh" ("Palestinian National Liberation Movement" in Arabic)
  • Also known as the Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine
  • Founded by Yasser Arafat in 1959. Took control of the PLO in 1968, with Arafat as chairman.
  • Currently led by Mahmoud Abbas

Groups associated with Fatah[edit]

• Tanzim (founded 1995)
  • Means "organization" in Arabic
  • Loosely organized Fatah militia
  • Led by Marwan Barghouti until his arrest in 2002.
• Force 17 (early 1970s–2007)
  • Elite unit of the PLO once under Yasser Arafat's direct guidance.
  • Acts as a versatile unit for combat and intelligence-gathering.
  • Dismantled in 2007 and incorporated into the Palestinian Presidential Guard.
• Fatah Special Operations Group (Fatah-SOG)
  • Founded in the early 1970s by Col. Abdullah Abd al-Hamid Labib
  • Also known as the Martyrs of Tel Al Za'atar, Hawari, and Amn Araissi.
  • Recently inactive (as of 2004)
• Ahmed Abu Reish Brigade
  • Extremist off-shoot of Fatah.
  • Was involved in July 17, 2004 kidnappings in the Gaza Strip.
  • Possibly linked to the Popular Resistance Committees
  • Led by Ahmed Abu Reish
• Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
  • Responsible for many suicide bombings and shootings of Israeli civilians
  • Responsible for executing suspected conspirators and leaders of opposition against Arafat
  • Funded by Fatah and the Palestinian Authority[citation needed]
  • Offshoot of this group, Fatah Hawks, has carried out guerrilla attacks against Israeli military personnel in the Gaza Strip.
• Black September Organization (1970–1973)
  • Began as a small cell of Fatah men determined to take revenge upon King Hussein and the Jordanian army for Black September in Jordan. Recruits from the PFLP, as-Sa'iqa, and other groups also joined.
  • Carried out Munich Massacre.
  • Carried out Attack on the Saudi embassy in Khartoum

Splinter groups of the PLO[edit]

• Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command (PFLP-GC) (founded 1968)
  • Splinter group from the PFLP, founded by Ahmed Jibril. Declared its focus would be military, not political. Was a member of the PLO, but left in 1974 for the same reasons as PFLP.

al-Qaeda linked groups[edit]

• Army of Islam (Jaysh al-Islam)
  • Also known as the Tawhid and Jihad Brigades and al-Qaeda in Palestine
  • The group are an armed Gaza clan named Doghmush who are affiliated with al-Qaeda and Abu Qatada
• Abdullah Azzam Brigades
• Jund Ansar Allah (2008–)
  • al-Qaeda-affiliated group in the Gaza Strip, founded in November 2008 by Abdel Latif Moussa
  • In August 2009, the group proclaimed the creation of an Islamic emirate in Gaza and led an armed rebellion against Hamas.
  • The group's leader Abdel Latif Moussa was killed during that rebellion.
• Fatah al-Islam (2006–)
  • al-Qaeda-affiliated group involved in a conflict with the Lebanese army in 2007 over control of Palestinian refugee camps, which caused the death of nearly 500 people.
  • The group was established in 2006 by Shaker al-Abssi who led the group until killed by Lebanese forces in 2007.
  • Abu Mohamad Awad succeeded al-Abbsi as the group's leader.
• Jund al-Sham (1999–2008)
  • Radical Islamist group set up by Palestinians and Syrians which operated in different areas of the Middle East.
  • The group's leader Abu Youssef Sharqieh was captured by Lebanese forces during the 2007 conflict in Palestinian refugee camps.
  • The group was disbanded in 2008 as its members joined Lebanese al-Qaeda affiliated group Osbat al-Ansar.
• Jaljalat (2006–)
  • A Hamas-splinter organisation founded in 2006 by Mahmoud Taleb, a former al-Qassam Brigades commander, after he opposed Hamas joining the 2006 elections
  • The group is affiliated with both Jund Ansar Allah and al-Qaeda
• Jahafil Al-Tawhid Wal-Jihad fi Filastin (2008–)
  • al-Qaeda-affiliated group in the Gaza Strip, founded in November 2008 by Abu al-Walid al-Maqdisi

Notable attacks[edit]
Main article: List of massacres in Israel

• 1974 Japanese Embassy attack in Kuwait
• 1979 Nahariya attack
• 1980 Paris synagogue bombing
• 1981 Antwerp bombing
• 2000 Ramallah lynching
• 2004 Sinai bombings
• 2008 Dimona suicide bombing
• 2011 Itmar attack
• Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy
• Attack on the Saudi embassy in Khartoum
• Avivim school bus massacre
• Beit Lid massacre
• Coastal Road massacre
• Dizengoff Street bus bombing
• Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing
• EgyptAir Flight 648
• Har Nof synagogue massacre
• Hebrew University massacre
• Hijacking of Achille Lauro
• Jaffa Road bus bombings
• Jerusalem bus 19 suicide bombing
• Karkur junction suicide bombing
• Kiryat Menachem bus bombing
• Lod Airport massacre
• Ma'ale Akrabim massacre
• Ma'alot massacre
• Maxim restaurant suicide bombing
• Mercaz HaRav massacre
• Munich massacre
• Night of the Gliders
• Pan Am Flight 110 Rome - Italy
• Passover massacre
• Pi Glilot bombing
• Rome and Vienna airport attacks
• Sabena Flight 571
• Savoy Hotel Attack
• Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing
• Shawarma restaurant bombing
• Swissair Flight 330

See also

The boogyman will getcha.

Not before the IDF get the islamonazi terrorists

And how does Israel plan to do that?

Maybe they could bomb the crap out of a bunch of civilians in Gaza. That might work.

And just how will you prove they are civilians and not terrorists and militia ? Age, sex and location are no proof these days

According to your hero, RoccoR:

1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) [ Link ] of the Third Convention and in Article 43 [ Link ] of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.​

Who Are The Palestinians Page 357 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Phoenall]

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

So you an prove they were incorporated into Israel against their will can you, when according to you lot many were forced not to be incorporated

Nazareth, Jaffa, etc. were incorporated into Israel without the people's consent.

So where is the non partisan proof of this, as your word is not accepted by anyone.

To what dumbo, that you are called a liar on this board

 

[Phoenall]

If they target unarmed civlians mainly children they are terrorists, if they target only military then they are freedom fighters. The Palestinians target Israeli children almost exclusively making them the worst of terrorists that should be executed on sight. When they stop firing illegal weapons trained on schools in Israel then they will be ready to join the human race. Until then they are barbaric blood thirsty psychopathic scum

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.

In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org​

And the source is an islamonazi terrorist who are known to lie through their teeth all the time. The people living in Israel are civilians according to the Geneva conventions irrespective of what hamas and fatah decide.

Not true. Look it up.

Why don't you link to the Geneva conventions that says the citizens of Israel are not civilians. Then tell the world that the arab muslims are not civilians under the same rules.

B. -- ' In occupied territories; ' protection is accorded to all persons who are not of the nationality of the occupying State.

https://www.icrc.org/ihl/COM/380-600007?OpenDocument
-----------------------
Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

Now define what the Jews meant by settlers, and where they were settling ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.

In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org​

And the source is an islamonazi terrorist who are known to lie through their teeth all the time. The people living in Israel are civilians according to the Geneva conventions irrespective of what hamas and fatah decide.

Not true. Look it up.

Why don't you link to the Geneva conventions that says the citizens of Israel are not civilians. Then tell the world that the arab muslims are not civilians under the same rules.

B. -- ' In occupied territories; ' protection is accorded to all persons who are not of the nationality of the occupying State.

https://www.icrc.org/ihl/COM/380-600007?OpenDocument
-----------------------
Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

Now define what the Jews meant by settlers, and where they were settling ?

Sderot was founded in 1951 on lands that belonged to the Palestinian Arab village of Najd[6]and is located a few miles south of the village's ruins. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were driven out[7] to Gaza. It began as a transit camp called Gabim Dorot for Kurdish and Persian Jewish immigrants, numbering 80 families,[8] as part of a chain of settlements designed to block infiltration from Gaza.

Sderot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK let's be honest. That is not all I said. You're cherry picking.

You will notice that I cited Article 68, which penalizes "protected persons" who attempt to do harm to the Occupying Power. You will notice that I cited four (4) major citations relative to "civilians" and "protected persons." All four must be adhered to "simultaneously." You just can't pick and choose.

According to your hero, RoccoR:

1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) [ Link ] of the Third Convention and in Article 43 [ Link ] of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.​

Who Are The Palestinians Page 357 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(COMMENT)

It is clear that the UN Security Council Resolution 237 stipulates in a binding fashion that the requirements of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 be applied to the territories that came under occupation in 1967. It does not give any special exemption for the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) to conduct hostile operations against the Occupation Power without facing criminal prosecution.

The HoAP which target Israeli Civilians --- does so at their own peril. The HoAP lose their "protected persons" status and become subject to Article 68 Sanctions.

PS: Terrorist, Insurgents, Jihadist and Fedayeen, conducting operations, (any Islamic Resistance Movement) are considered 4th Generation Warfare, Asymmetric combatants and not protected persons.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK let's be honest. That is not all I said. You're cherry picking.

You will notice that I cited Article 68, which penalizes "protected persons" who attempt to do harm to the Occupying Power. You will notice that I cited four (4) major citations relative to "civilians" and "protected persons." All four must be adhered to "simultaneously." You just can't pick and choose.

According to your hero, RoccoR:

1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) [ Link ] of the Third Convention and in Article 43 [ Link ] of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.​

Who Are The Palestinians Page 357 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(COMMENT)

It is clear that the UN Security Council Resolution 237 stipulates in a binding fashion that the requirements of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 be applied to the territories that came under occupation in 1967. It does not give any special exemption for the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) to conduct hostile operations against the Occupation Power without facing criminal prosecution.

The HoAP which target Israeli Civilians --- does so at their own peril. The HoAP lose their "protected persons" status and become subject to Article 68 Sanctions.

PS: Terrorist, Insurgents, Jihadist and Fedayeen, conducting operations, (any Islamic Resistance Movement) are considered 4th Generation Warfare, Asymmetric combatants and not protected persons.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Thanks for the link.

The Security Council,​

Considering the urgent need to spare the civil populations and the prisoners of the war in the area of conflict in the Middle East additional sufferings,

Considering that essential and inalienable human rights should be respected even during the vicissitudes of war,

Considering that all the obligations of the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War of 12 August 1949 1/ should be complied with by the parties involved in the conflict,

1. Calls upon the Government of Israel to ensure the safety, welfare and security of the inhabitants of the areas where military operations have taken place and to facilitate the return of those inhabitants who have fled the areas since the outbreak of hostilities;

2. Recommends to the Governments concerned the scrupulous respect of the humanitarian principles governing the treatment of prisoners of war and the protection of civilian persons in time of war contained in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949;2/

3. Requests the Secretary-General to follow the effective implementation of this resolution and to report to the Security Council.​

 

[Phoenall]

And the source is an islamonazi terrorist who are known to lie through their teeth all the time. The people living in Israel are civilians according to the Geneva conventions irrespective of what hamas and fatah decide.

Not true. Look it up.

Why don't you link to the Geneva conventions that says the citizens of Israel are not civilians. Then tell the world that the arab muslims are not civilians under the same rules.

B. -- ' In occupied territories; ' protection is accorded to all persons who are not of the nationality of the occupying State.

https://www.icrc.org/ihl/COM/380-600007?OpenDocument
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Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

Now define what the Jews meant by settlers, and where they were settling ?

Sderot was founded in 1951 on lands that belonged to the Palestinian Arab village of Najd[6]and is located a few miles south of the village's ruins. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were driven out[7] to Gaza. It began as a transit camp called Gabim Dorot for Kurdish and Persian Jewish immigrants, numbering 80 families,[8] as part of a chain of settlements designed to block infiltration from Gaza.

Sderot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And until the arab muslims decide to comply with the UN charter and their own promises then it will stay Israeli. And don't forget that Egypt signed a treaty with Israel setting the borders in place, and Sderot is on the Israeli side of that border.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK let's be honest. That is not all I said. You're cherry picking.

You will notice that I cited Article 68, which penalizes "protected persons" who attempt to do harm to the Occupying Power. You will notice that I cited four (4) major citations relative to "civilians" and "protected persons." All four must be adhered to "simultaneously." You just can't pick and choose.

According to your hero, RoccoR:

1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) [ Link ] of the Third Convention and in Article 43 [ Link ] of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.​

Who Are The Palestinians Page 357 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(COMMENT)

It is clear that the UN Security Council Resolution 237 stipulates in a binding fashion that the requirements of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 be applied to the territories that came under occupation in 1967. It does not give any special exemption for the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) to conduct hostile operations against the Occupation Power without facing criminal prosecution.

The HoAP which target Israeli Civilians --- does so at their own peril. The HoAP lose their "protected persons" status and become subject to Article 68 Sanctions.

PS: Terrorist, Insurgents, Jihadist and Fedayeen, conducting operations, (any Islamic Resistance Movement) are considered 4th Generation Warfare, Asymmetric combatants and not protected persons.​

Most Respectfully,
R

"OK let's be honest." Indeed.

The Palestinians are not hostile. They are defending their country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not true. Look it up.

Why don't you link to the Geneva conventions that says the citizens of Israel are not civilians. Then tell the world that the arab muslims are not civilians under the same rules.

B. -- ' In occupied territories; ' protection is accorded to all persons who are not of the nationality of the occupying State.

https://www.icrc.org/ihl/COM/380-600007?OpenDocument
-----------------------
Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

Now define what the Jews meant by settlers, and where they were settling ?

Sderot was founded in 1951 on lands that belonged to the Palestinian Arab village of Najd[6]and is located a few miles south of the village's ruins. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were driven out[7] to Gaza. It began as a transit camp called Gabim Dorot for Kurdish and Persian Jewish immigrants, numbering 80 families,[8] as part of a chain of settlements designed to block infiltration from Gaza.

Sderot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And until the arab muslims decide to comply with the UN charter and their own promises then it will stay Israeli. And don't forget that Egypt signed a treaty with Israel setting the borders in place, and Sderot is on the Israeli side of that border.

No it didn't.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK let's be honest. That is not all I said. You're cherry picking.

You will notice that I cited Article 68, which penalizes "protected persons" who attempt to do harm to the Occupying Power. You will notice that I cited four (4) major citations relative to "civilians" and "protected persons." All four must be adhered to "simultaneously." You just can't pick and choose.

According to your hero, RoccoR:

1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) [ Link ] of the Third Convention and in Article 43 [ Link ] of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.​

Who Are The Palestinians Page 357 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(COMMENT)

It is clear that the UN Security Council Resolution 237 stipulates in a binding fashion that the requirements of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 be applied to the territories that came under occupation in 1967. It does not give any special exemption for the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) to conduct hostile operations against the Occupation Power without facing criminal prosecution.

The HoAP which target Israeli Civilians --- does so at their own peril. The HoAP lose their "protected persons" status and become subject to Article 68 Sanctions.

PS: Terrorist, Insurgents, Jihadist and Fedayeen, conducting operations, (any Islamic Resistance Movement) are considered 4th Generation Warfare, Asymmetric combatants and not protected persons.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Thanks for the link.

The Security Council,

Considering the urgent need to spare the civil populations and the prisoners of the war in the area of conflict in the Middle East additional sufferings,

Considering that essential and inalienable human rights should be respected even during the vicissitudes of war,

Considering that all the obligations of the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War of 12 August 1949 1/ should be complied with by the parties involved in the conflict,

1. Calls upon the Government of Israel to ensure the safety, welfare and security of the inhabitants of the areas where military operations have taken place and to facilitate the return of those inhabitants who have fled the areas since the outbreak of hostilities;

2. Recommends to the Governments concerned the scrupulous respect of the humanitarian principles governing the treatment of prisoners of war and the protection of civilian persons in time of war contained in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949;2/

3. Requests the Secretary-General to follow the effective implementation of this resolution and to report to the Security Council.​

Which they have, but hamas refuses to comply with any UN resolution.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK let's be honest. That is not all I said. You're cherry picking.

You will notice that I cited Article 68, which penalizes "protected persons" who attempt to do harm to the Occupying Power. You will notice that I cited four (4) major citations relative to "civilians" and "protected persons." All four must be adhered to "simultaneously." You just can't pick and choose.

According to your hero, RoccoR:

1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) [ Link ] of the Third Convention and in Article 43 [ Link ] of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.​

Who Are The Palestinians Page 357 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(COMMENT)

It is clear that the UN Security Council Resolution 237 stipulates in a binding fashion that the requirements of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 be applied to the territories that came under occupation in 1967. It does not give any special exemption for the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) to conduct hostile operations against the Occupation Power without facing criminal prosecution.

The HoAP which target Israeli Civilians --- does so at their own peril. The HoAP lose their "protected persons" status and become subject to Article 68 Sanctions.

PS: Terrorist, Insurgents, Jihadist and Fedayeen, conducting operations, (any Islamic Resistance Movement) are considered 4th Generation Warfare, Asymmetric combatants and not protected persons.​

Most Respectfully,
R

"OK let's be honest." Indeed.

The Palestinians are not hostile. They are defending their country.

Firing illegal rockets at Israeli civilians is not defence. Mining Israeli schools is not defence. They are hostile terrorist actions that will be met with retuned fire until the terrorism stops.

 

[Phoenall]

Why don't you link to the Geneva conventions that says the citizens of Israel are not civilians. Then tell the world that the arab muslims are not civilians under the same rules.

B. -- ' In occupied territories; ' protection is accorded to all persons who are not of the nationality of the occupying State.

https://www.icrc.org/ihl/COM/380-600007?OpenDocument
-----------------------
Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

Now define what the Jews meant by settlers, and where they were settling ?

Sderot was founded in 1951 on lands that belonged to the Palestinian Arab village of Najd[6]and is located a few miles south of the village's ruins. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were driven out[7] to Gaza. It began as a transit camp called Gabim Dorot for Kurdish and Persian Jewish immigrants, numbering 80 families,[8] as part of a chain of settlements designed to block infiltration from Gaza.

Sderot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And until the arab muslims decide to comply with the UN charter and their own promises then it will stay Israeli. And don't forget that Egypt signed a treaty with Israel setting the borders in place, and Sderot is on the Israeli side of that border.

No it didn't.

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Then what is this