Who Are The Palestinians?

[aris2chat]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

 

[fanger]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

 

[aris2chat]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

 

[P F Tinmore]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

 

[toastman]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

And before they were Palestinians, they were Ottomans...

 

[P F Tinmore]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

And before they were Palestinians, they were Ottomans...

They were changed from Ottoman subjects to Palestinians by treaties that released them from Ottoman rule.

Then they were forced to Israeli rule at the point of a gun against their will.

 

[toastman]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

And before they were Palestinians, they were Ottomans...

They were changed from Ottoman subjects to Palestinians by treaties that released them from Ottoman rule.

Then they were forced to Israeli rule at the point of a gun against their will.

What were they before Ottomans ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

And before they were Palestinians, they were Ottomans...

They were changed from Ottoman subjects to Palestinians by treaties that released them from Ottoman rule.

Then they were forced to Israeli rule at the point of a gun against their will.

What were they before Ottomans ?

Not born yet.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What are the salient points?

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, --- it is important to not try and exaggerate.

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not even sure you guys know want a "lie" is, let alone the concepts that distinguish a coup d'état (an illegal seizure of power) from a armed internal conflict / civil war or traitors takeover.

(PERSPECTIVE)

Hamas has pledged a takeover of Judea-Samaria Saturday, after one of its leaders declared "the liberation of all Palestine" - including the Palestinian Authority (PA) - a strategic area of utmost importance in implementing long-term objectives of the terror group. (Publish: 3/21/2015)

JERUSALEM, June 12 2007 -- Gunmen loyal to the two main Palestinian parties fought street battles in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday that increasingly bore the hallmarks of civil war, as Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, a Fatah leader, warned that the rival Hamas movement was attempting a coup.

(COMMENT)

This is all a matter of perspective and the interpretation. "Lying" doesn't enter into it.

Most Respectfully,
R

All well and good, Rocco, but look at the facts. After the supposed coup:

The President was still the President.
The Prime Minister was still the Prime Minister.
None of the cabinet members were changed.
No members of parliament were changed.
The judiciary remained the same.
No laws were changed.
The constitution remained in force.

So, what bloody coup are the liars talking about?

(COMMENT)

IT's all relative. It's a matter of perspective.

The question is:

• What is the legitimate government?
• What is the relationship between the HAMAS and Fatah?
• Is there a discrepancy between who is in-charge and who should be in-charge?

I remember, some time ago, you explained to me that HAMAS was the legitimate government, having won the election.

Most Respectfully,
R

Answers:

The last legitimate government in Palestine was the unity government of 2007.

Fatah lost the elections.

There is.

Respectively.

(COMMENT)

And there we are:

In your perspective and from your vantage point, Fatah lost the ('07) elections.

A coup d'état does not require the use of force to be a coup. It can be a sudden and decisive action resulting in an illegal change in government. If the properly elected government cannot assume its responsibilities and is set aside by a losing political entity, then that is an illegal change in government.

Based on figures provided by hospitals and emergency services on 15 June, the ICRC estimates that over 550 people have been wounded and at least 116 killed in the fighting of the previous week. Gaza-Westbank – ICRC Bulletin No. 22 / 2007

For most analyst, 550 killed in a Fatah HAMAS clash is not considered "bloody."

Most Respectfully,
R

We need a little history. In February of 2007 Fatah and Hamas met in Mecca and agreed to form a unity government. Abbas appointed Heniya to be prime minister and he selected his cabinet. The PLC (parliament) rendered their approval, as required by their constitution, and Abbas swore in the new unity government in March, 2007. The headquarters for this government was in Gaza.

The US did not like this government so it armed, paid, and trained Fatah security forces, under Abbas, to overthrow the Unity Government and put Fatah in power. Hamas ran these forces out of Gaza in June of 2007 leaving the legally elected and constituted government in place.

I'm for Hamas. They get far more Palestinians killed than Israeli's.

 

[Phoenall]

They were colonists from Europe whether they were Jews, Christians or Hindus. The local Palestinians were not targeting local Arab Jews who were not considered colonists.

So why did they kill so many of them over the years then Abdul. Or are you going to ignore the truth again.

The Grand mufti told the arab muslims to attack and mass murder the Jews on a BLOOD LIBEL, he did not tell them to single out any particular group. The British should have razed the arab quarter of Jerusalem and evicted the muslims straighjt away

All colonized people have killed the colonizer as the colonizer has killed the colonized. Why do you believe the Palestinians should behave any differently than other colonized people?

Then show where the first nations people fired rockets at European children in schools in Europe. Or attacked innocent civilians in their own country.

You are defending and supporting islamonazi terrorism again, and trying to wrap it up in pretty paper. It wont work as it is not defending against colonisation because that has never taken place outside of islamonazi fantasies and lies

 

[Phoenall]

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

And before they were Palestinians, they were Ottomans...

They were changed from Ottoman subjects to Palestinians by treaties that released them from Ottoman rule.

Then they were forced to Israeli rule at the point of a gun against their will.

What were they before Ottomans ?

Not born yet.

So they have no claim to the land then as they were never born there

 

[Phoenall]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

They have it is called Israel. Now why don't the arab muslims move back to Mecca or Medina where they ame from ?

 

[Phoenall]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

And before they were Palestinians, they were Ottomans...

They were changed from Ottoman subjects to Palestinians by treaties that released them from Ottoman rule.

Then they were forced to Israeli rule at the point of a gun against their will.

Mandate for Palestine subjects as no nation of Palestine was even invented before 1988

 

[Phoenall]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

So you an prove they were incorporated into Israel against their will can you, when according to you lot many were forced not to be incorporated

 

[P F Tinmore]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

So you an prove they were incorporated into Israel against their will can you, when according to you lot many were forced not to be incorporated

Nazareth, Jaffa, etc. were incorporated into Israel without the people's consent.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

And before they were Palestinians, they were Ottomans...

They were changed from Ottoman subjects to Palestinians by treaties that released them from Ottoman rule.

Then they were forced to Israeli rule at the point of a gun against their will.

Mandate for Palestine subjects as no nation of Palestine was even invented before 1988

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Susan Abulhawa

 

[MJB12741]

WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS

Palestinian groups involved in political violence[edit]

• Hamas
  • Founded in 1987 by Ahmed Yassin and Mohammad Taha as an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas' goal is the establishment of a Palestinian state.[153]
  • Armed wing is the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades; the sole target of its suicide bombings and missile attacks is Israel.[153]
  • Took part in 2006 elections and won. After the 2007 Battle of Gaza the Hamas government was disbanded by Mahmoud Abbas but remained de facto rulers of the Gaza Strip.
  • Currently led by Khaled Mashaal and Ismail Haniyeh

• Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) (founded 1970s)
  • Formed by Fathi Shaqaqi as a branch of Egyptian Islamic Jihad
  • Goal is the destruction of the state of Israel and replacement with an Islamist state[citation needed]
  • Armed wing is the Al-Quds Brigades (Jerusalem brigades)
  • Currently led by Ramadan Shallah, the Secretary General and Abd Al Aziz Awda
• The Popular Resistance Committees
  • Islamist
  • Founded in 2000 by Jamal Abu Samhadana who led the group until he was killed in 2006.
  • Hamas linked group, based in the Gaza Strip
• Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) (founded June 1964)
  • Formed as the political representation of the Palestinian people
  • Currently led by Mahmoud Abbas

Sub-groups of the PLO[edit]

• Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) (founded 1967)
  • Left-wing
  • Joined the PLO in 1968 and became the second-largest PLO faction, after Arafat's al-Fatah, but withdrew in 1974, accusing the group of moving away from the goal of abolishing the State of Israel. It was led by Abu Ali Mustapha until his assassination in 2001.[154][155][156]
  • Armed wing is the Abu Ali Mustapha Brigades and Jihad Jibril Brigades[157]
  • Currently led by Ahmad Sa'adat
• Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) (founded 1969)
  • Marxist-Leninist group that believes Palestinian national goals can be achieved only through revolution of the masses. Split into two factions in 1991; Nayif Hawatmah leads the majority and more hard-line faction, which continue to dominate the group. Joined with other rejectionist groups to form the Alliance of Palestinian Forces (APF) to oppose the Declaration of Principles signed in 1993. Broke from the APF – along with the PFLP – over ideological differences. Has made limited moves towards merging with the PFLP since the mid-1990s.
• Abu Nidal organization (ANO), also known as Fatah - the Revolutionary Council (FRC), (founded 1974)
  • Split from PLO; part of the so-called rejectionist front, the ANO is a secular, nationalist group. Was led by Abu Nidal, widely regarded as the most ruthless of the Palestinian leaders, until his death in August 2002. According to Kameel Nasr, Arab and Israeli Terrorism, The group was infiltrated and influenced by Israeli security.
• Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
  • Minor Left wing faction
  • Founded in 196 by Ahmed Jibril and Shafiq al-Hout, re established in 1977 by Abu Abbas
• Arab Liberation Front (ALF)
  • Minor faction tied to the Iraqi Ba'ath Party
  • Founded in 1969, first leader was Zeid Heidar
  • Currently led by Rakad Salem
• As-Sa'iqa (VPLW)
  • Palestinian branch of the Syrian Ba'ath Party
  • Founded in 1966 as alternative to Fatah, organisation boycotts Palestinian National Authority and is opposed to Oslo Accords
  • Organisation was not active during the Second Intifada
  • Currently led by Farhan Abu Al-Hayja.
• Palestinian Popular Struggle Front (PPSF)
  • Minor Socialist faction formerly led by Samir Ghawshah
• Palestinian Arab Front (PAF)
  • Minor Arab Nationalist faction
  • Originally part of the ALF, split from the ALF in 1993
  • Supports the Palestinian right of return and creation of Palestinian state within 1967 borders
  • Currently led by Jameel Shihadeh.
• Fatah (founded early 1960s)[158]
  • Palestinian nationalist political party
  • Reverse acronym for "Harekat at-Tahrir al-Wataniyyeh al-Falastiniyyeh" ("Palestinian National Liberation Movement" in Arabic)
  • Also known as the Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine
  • Founded by Yasser Arafat in 1959. Took control of the PLO in 1968, with Arafat as chairman.
  • Currently led by Mahmoud Abbas

Groups associated with Fatah[edit]

• Tanzim (founded 1995)
  • Means "organization" in Arabic
  • Loosely organized Fatah militia
  • Led by Marwan Barghouti until his arrest in 2002.
• Force 17 (early 1970s–2007)
  • Elite unit of the PLO once under Yasser Arafat's direct guidance.
  • Acts as a versatile unit for combat and intelligence-gathering.
  • Dismantled in 2007 and incorporated into the Palestinian Presidential Guard.
• Fatah Special Operations Group (Fatah-SOG)
  • Founded in the early 1970s by Col. Abdullah Abd al-Hamid Labib
  • Also known as the Martyrs of Tel Al Za'atar, Hawari, and Amn Araissi.
  • Recently inactive (as of 2004)
• Ahmed Abu Reish Brigade
  • Extremist off-shoot of Fatah.
  • Was involved in July 17, 2004 kidnappings in the Gaza Strip.
  • Possibly linked to the Popular Resistance Committees
  • Led by Ahmed Abu Reish
• Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
  • Responsible for many suicide bombings and shootings of Israeli civilians
  • Responsible for executing suspected conspirators and leaders of opposition against Arafat
  • Funded by Fatah and the Palestinian Authority[citation needed]
  • Offshoot of this group, Fatah Hawks, has carried out guerrilla attacks against Israeli military personnel in the Gaza Strip.
• Black September Organization (1970–1973)
  • Began as a small cell of Fatah men determined to take revenge upon King Hussein and the Jordanian army for Black September in Jordan. Recruits from the PFLP, as-Sa'iqa, and other groups also joined.
  • Carried out Munich Massacre.
  • Carried out Attack on the Saudi embassy in Khartoum

Splinter groups of the PLO[edit]

• Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command (PFLP-GC) (founded 1968)
  • Splinter group from the PFLP, founded by Ahmed Jibril. Declared its focus would be military, not political. Was a member of the PLO, but left in 1974 for the same reasons as PFLP.

al-Qaeda linked groups[edit]

• Army of Islam (Jaysh al-Islam)
  • Also known as the Tawhid and Jihad Brigades and al-Qaeda in Palestine
  • The group are an armed Gaza clan named Doghmush who are affiliated with al-Qaeda and Abu Qatada
• Abdullah Azzam Brigades
• Jund Ansar Allah (2008–)
  • al-Qaeda-affiliated group in the Gaza Strip, founded in November 2008 by Abdel Latif Moussa
  • In August 2009, the group proclaimed the creation of an Islamic emirate in Gaza and led an armed rebellion against Hamas.
  • The group's leader Abdel Latif Moussa was killed during that rebellion.
• Fatah al-Islam (2006–)
  • al-Qaeda-affiliated group involved in a conflict with the Lebanese army in 2007 over control of Palestinian refugee camps, which caused the death of nearly 500 people.
  • The group was established in 2006 by Shaker al-Abssi who led the group until killed by Lebanese forces in 2007.
  • Abu Mohamad Awad succeeded al-Abbsi as the group's leader.
• Jund al-Sham (1999–2008)
  • Radical Islamist group set up by Palestinians and Syrians which operated in different areas of the Middle East.
  • The group's leader Abu Youssef Sharqieh was captured by Lebanese forces during the 2007 conflict in Palestinian refugee camps.
  • The group was disbanded in 2008 as its members joined Lebanese al-Qaeda affiliated group Osbat al-Ansar.
• Jaljalat (2006–)
  • A Hamas-splinter organisation founded in 2006 by Mahmoud Taleb, a former al-Qassam Brigades commander, after he opposed Hamas joining the 2006 elections
  • The group is affiliated with both Jund Ansar Allah and al-Qaeda
• Jahafil Al-Tawhid Wal-Jihad fi Filastin (2008–)
  • al-Qaeda-affiliated group in the Gaza Strip, founded in November 2008 by Abu al-Walid al-Maqdisi

Notable attacks[edit]
Main article: List of massacres in Israel

• 1974 Japanese Embassy attack in Kuwait
• 1979 Nahariya attack
• 1980 Paris synagogue bombing
• 1981 Antwerp bombing
• 2000 Ramallah lynching
• 2004 Sinai bombings
• 2008 Dimona suicide bombing
• 2011 Itmar attack
• Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy
• Attack on the Saudi embassy in Khartoum
• Avivim school bus massacre
• Beit Lid massacre
• Coastal Road massacre
• Dizengoff Street bus bombing
• Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing
• EgyptAir Flight 648
• Har Nof synagogue massacre
• Hebrew University massacre
• Hijacking of Achille Lauro
• Jaffa Road bus bombings
• Jerusalem bus 19 suicide bombing
• Karkur junction suicide bombing
• Kiryat Menachem bus bombing
• Lod Airport massacre
• Ma'ale Akrabim massacre
• Ma'alot massacre
• Maxim restaurant suicide bombing
• Mercaz HaRav massacre
• Munich massacre
• Night of the Gliders
• Pan Am Flight 110 Rome - Italy
• Passover massacre
• Pi Glilot bombing
• Rome and Vienna airport attacks
• Sabena Flight 571
• Savoy Hotel Attack
• Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing
• Shawarma restaurant bombing
• Swissair Flight 330

See also

 

[Phoenall]

the rumors fly about hamas negotiation for it's own state in gaza, but say that it would be only a first step to getting all palestine back with the rifle. The supposition is that if the gaza is a state than Israel will keep all of the WB.
The PA on the other hand wants a state in the WB but will likely only get area A & B, leaving C in the hands of Israel. Gaza would be just a terrorist state forcing Israel to conquer it and eliminate hamas there.
Everyone has their crazy twists to what they want the future to look like but they are not really negotiating or compromising to bring a settlement about that would result in peace for the area.
Israel cannot afford an Iranian agent so close threatening it's security.

Then move back to where they came from

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

So you an prove they were incorporated into Israel against their will can you, when according to you lot many were forced not to be incorporated

Nazareth, Jaffa, etc. were incorporated into Israel without the people's consent.

So where is the non partisan proof of this, as your word is not accepted by anyone.

 

[Phoenall]

they are Israeli, that is where they come from be they jews, christians or muslim

Indeed, but the Muslims, Christians, and even some of the Jews were Palestinians before they were incorporated into Israel against their will.

And before they were Palestinians, they were Ottomans...

They were changed from Ottoman subjects to Palestinians by treaties that released them from Ottoman rule.

Then they were forced to Israeli rule at the point of a gun against their will.

Mandate for Palestine subjects as no nation of Palestine was even invented before 1988

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration.

Yes the British Mandate was just that, the Mandate for Palestine was much more. It gave Jordan to a minor Saudi princeling and made a new nation of Trans Jordan for arab muslims in Palestine. It also forced the British to take control of the people and make them BRITISH Palestinian citizens. Read what it says on the passports ?