When does life begin?

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    When does life begin?
    Human life began when God created Adam and it has continued in an unbroken chain ever since. Life does not begin at conception; life continues through conception. Sperm are living organisms; eggs are living cells. Babies do not come from inert or dead materials, they receive life from the living materials from which they are made.

    Is human life sacred?
    Human life is no more sacred than goldfish life. All life is life. All life is God’s creation. Human beings are part of God’s natural creation.

    So we are nothing special?
    On the contrary, we are unique because, unlike any other material creature, we are each given an immortal soul by God. That is the part of us that, once created, lives forever. It goes to heaven or hell for all eternity. The only other creatures with immortal souls have no physical dimension. They are angels. It is our souls that make us unique in the world, not the fact that we are alive.

    So what?
    Because it our souls that are sacred, not our bodies, it is the destruction of a human embryo to whom God has given an immortal soul that is a sin of murder. Ending the life of an embryo before God has given it a soul is an ethical decision; it may be right or wrong depending on the circumstances. Killing any living thing may be right or wrong depending on the circumstances.

    Since God gives the embryo a human soul at the moment of conception, doesn’t all this theory come down to the same thing?
    It would if that is when God gives the embryo an eternal, human soul. The fact is, we don’t know from science (which can say nothing on the matter) or explicitly from the Bible when God creates a human soul.

    Gen 2:7 offers a starting point: And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    Some teachers have pointed out that God formed the body before the soul, not at the same time. Others have suggested that the soul is infused when the fetus develops recognizable features such a nose – this school prefers the “quickening,” the time, usually late in the second trimester when the baby begins to move. Many have interpreted the creation of Adam with emphasis on the breath of life and fixed the point at which the baby breathes on its own as the sacred moment. The theory that the soul is infused when the sperm enters the egg is a recent, minority view and one that doesn't fit well with Genesis.

    The first breath has been enshrined in the legal codes of many Christian countries for centuries. Christians do not customarily baptize or administer the last rites to a stillborn child, much less to a spontaneously aborted fetus. We do not hold a funeral for the menstrual emission of a woman who has had intercourse during the previous 28 days, although we know that a significant percentage of fertilized ova do not attach to the wall of the uterus.

    It may be that the soul is infused at the moment of conception despite traditional belief or the common sense difficulties that this theory gives rise to. Everyone agrees that the soul is formed by the time the baby is born and breathing. No one can say when the miracle of the creation of a living soul occurs. Perhaps that is for the best.
     
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    So what's your point?
     
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    I believe she just accused you of being as worthless as a goldfish.. :D
     
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    A "golfish"? :wtf:
     
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    There.. I fixed my little old typo just for you. :)

    (And I only said she called you as worthless as a goldfish, because you were the first/only person to respond to her) :)
     
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    Yeah but... I'd RATHER be golfish than a goldfish... :D
     
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    I just can't see you in golfish pants and shoes.. so... no. You'll have to deal with goldfish status.
     
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    Every trip around the goldfish bowl is a whole new life to some people...
     

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    You're full of crap. YOU relying on the SOUL to justify murder. What a liar you are.

    I know you thought you came up with the argument of all arguments to finally convince the fundies to accept the lies of murder justification, but you failed again, and revealed yourself as the deceptress you are.
     
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    I wonder how peta would feel about using monkey stem cells from viable embryos? THAT would probably upset them.
     

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