What's the big deal if Iran gets the bomb?

[Edgetho]

Here we go again. Only one party would defend a Country who still executes children. dimocraps.

Only one party would scream about a Republican 'war on women' while defending muslims who demand their women have their genitalia mutilated. Didn't kow about that? Check into it. It's called FGM or FGC

Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons."[2] FGM is practised as a cultural ritual by ethnic groups in 27 countries in sub-Saharan and Northeast Africa, and to a lesser extent in Asia, the Middle East and within immigrant communities elsewhere.[8] It is typically carried out, with or without anaesthesia, by a traditional circumciser using a knife or razor.[9] The age of the girls varies from weeks after birth to puberty; in half the countries for which figures were available in 2013, most girls were cut before the age of five.[5]

I'll spare you the more gruesome details but it's a Mooslum thing.

Iran « Stop FGM Middle East

In the Islamic Republic of Iran female genital mutilation is acknowledged as a problem.

Only one party condemns racism but practices it at the same time.

Only one party........

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth.

If it's scummy, if it's sick, if it's disgusting.... It will find its way to the dimocrap party.

And you know what? Maybe it's our fault...

Maybe it's the fault of Republicans and other Patriotic Americans for not tolerating filth, perversion, mental depravity, cowardice, racism and treating women like livestock.

Yeah, that's it. It's our fault

dimocraps are such incredible scum

 

[Kondor3]

The United States has killed so many civilians with Tomahawk missiles that cost millions a pop and drones that cost millions a pop. It shouldn't be surprising that in countries that don't have the same news media we have that all they hear about is how Americans are killing their neighbors. A large majority of people in the Middle East have never heard of 9/11. All they know is their cousin in some village a few miles away was killed by American soldiers or American missiles. So yes, in the eye of the beholder America is the terrorist.

Spare us the juicy rationalizations that give aid and comfort to the enemy, yes?

 

[Edgetho]

Oh I forgot Saddam did that one, sorry.

Who said Saddam did it? not me. Radical muslims did it.

I did not support going into Iraq or Afghanistan, we should have taken them out covertly or with smart bombs, ground wars were a waste of lives and dollars.

What do you think a war with Iran would look like? They are an advanced industrialized nation with formidable weapons and thirty years of certainty that our nation and Israel occasionally wants to kill a significant portion of their population bombing their infrastructure flat. Even a a limited air war would be hideously expensive in lives and money with no good coming out of it. Good god, what a bunch of idiots some people are thinking that anyone would benefit from such an adventure other than the slimy war profiteers at the pentagon.

Yes, but they are cowards. They'd run like the cowards they are if they had to face an advanced Western Army.

Westerners stand and fight. Middle-Easterners will not.

Maybe it's not cowardice. Maybe it's prudence. Maybe they run because they know they're no match for us, either man-to-man or machine-to-machine.

They'd run like bunny rabbits if they had to face the United States.

On second thought...... They're cowards. They'd run like the cowards they are

 

[occupied]

Here we go again. Only one party would defend a Country who still executes children. dimocraps.

Only one party would scream about a Republican 'war on women' while defending muslims who demand their women have their genitalia mutilated. Didn't kow about that? Check into it. It's called FGM or FGC

Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons."[2] FGM is practised as a cultural ritual by ethnic groups in 27 countries in sub-Saharan and Northeast Africa, and to a lesser extent in Asia, the Middle East and within immigrant communities elsewhere.[8] It is typically carried out, with or without anaesthesia, by a traditional circumciser using a knife or razor.[9] The age of the girls varies from weeks after birth to puberty; in half the countries for which figures were available in 2013, most girls were cut before the age of five.[5]

I'll spare you the more gruesome details but it's a Mooslum thing.

Iran « Stop FGM Middle East

In the Islamic Republic of Iran female genital mutilation is acknowledged as a problem.

Only one party condemns racism but practices it at the same time.

Only one party........

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth.

If it's scummy, if it's sick, if it's disgusting.... It will find its way to the dimocrap party.

And you know what? Maybe it's our fault...

Maybe it's the fault of Republicans and other Patriotic Americans for not tolerating filth, perversion, mental depravity, cowardice, racism and treating women like livestock.

Yeah, that's it. It's our fault

dimocraps are such incredible scum

Spare us the appeal to sympathy, if every one those girls died under our bombs and missiles you would not shed a single tear. Genital mutilation is a horror but it is small compared to warfare.

 

[Edgetho]

Here we go again. Only one party would defend a Country who still executes children. dimocraps.

Only one party would scream about a Republican 'war on women' while defending muslims who demand their women have their genitalia mutilated. Didn't kow about that? Check into it. It's called FGM or FGC

Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons."[2] FGM is practised as a cultural ritual by ethnic groups in 27 countries in sub-Saharan and Northeast Africa, and to a lesser extent in Asia, the Middle East and within immigrant communities elsewhere.[8] It is typically carried out, with or without anaesthesia, by a traditional circumciser using a knife or razor.[9] The age of the girls varies from weeks after birth to puberty; in half the countries for which figures were available in 2013, most girls were cut before the age of five.[5]

I'll spare you the more gruesome details but it's a Mooslum thing.

Iran « Stop FGM Middle East

In the Islamic Republic of Iran female genital mutilation is acknowledged as a problem.

Only one party condemns racism but practices it at the same time.

Only one party........

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth.

If it's scummy, if it's sick, if it's disgusting.... It will find its way to the dimocrap party.

And you know what? Maybe it's our fault...

Maybe it's the fault of Republicans and other Patriotic Americans for not tolerating filth, perversion, mental depravity, cowardice, racism and treating women like livestock.

Yeah, that's it. It's our fault

dimocraps are such incredible scum

Spare us the appeal to sympathy, if every one those girls died under our bombs and missiles you would not shed a single tear. Genital mutilation is a horror but it is small compared to warfare.

Wow!!

He's one of yours, dimocrap scumbags.

Embrace him. Defend him. Better yet, glorify him.

He's one of yours

 

[NoNukes]

They want a nuclear deterrent against invasion/attack, with the US and Israel threatening them every time a shitty conservative warhawk gets in power it is in their best interest to have one. I do not for a minute believe that they intend to use such a weapon in an offensive manner seeing as how after it is used the rest of the world will totally annihilate their country. Sure they may have crazies in charge but they are not that crazy, dirty bombs are much easier to use and entirely within their means right now and have not been used.

your knowledge of radical muslims is very limited. The crazies ARE in charge.

Experts on the Middle East say that you are wrong, they are not that crazy.

 

[Edgetho]

They want a nuclear deterrent against invasion/attack, with the US and Israel threatening them every time a shitty conservative warhawk gets in power it is in their best interest to have one. I do not for a minute believe that they intend to use such a weapon in an offensive manner seeing as how after it is used the rest of the world will totally annihilate their country. Sure they may have crazies in charge but they are not that crazy, dirty bombs are much easier to use and entirely within their means right now and have not been used.

your knowledge of radical muslims is very limited. The crazies ARE in charge.

Experts on the Middle East say that you are wrong, they are not that crazy.

WHAT experts, bitch? Your asshole?

 

[ShawnChris13]

The United States has killed so many civilians with Tomahawk missiles that cost millions a pop and drones that cost millions a pop. It shouldn't be surprising that in countries that don't have the same news media we have that all they hear about is how Americans are killing their neighbors. A large majority of people in the Middle East have never heard of 9/11. All they know is their cousin in some village a few miles away was killed by American soldiers or American missiles. So yes, in the eye of the beholder America is the terrorist.

Spare us the juicy rationalizations that give aid and comfort to the enemy, yes?

Yeah let's just blame sheep herders and bazaar stall vendors for terrorism instead. If they die it's not like more terrorists will want to avenge the deaths of their family. They still talk about the crusades like its a recent event. The history in those nations does not help American sympathies.

 

[Kondor3]

"...I did not support going into Iraq..."

We are in agreement.

"...or Afghanistan..."

We are not in agreement.

"...What do you think a war with Iran would look like?..."

If Iran launched nukes, their Adversaries (NATO and Israel, at a minimum) would probably drop an equal number on top of Iran, cooking-down a few cities and reducing the number of towns in which large-scale urban guerrilla warfare operations would be required, but, that still leaves a lot of the country un-touched, and that aspect of such a war would resemble the latest Iraq War in many respects, most likely.

"...They are an advanced industrialized nation with formidable weapons and thirty years of certainty that our nation and Israel occasionally wants to kill a significant portion of their population bombing their infrastructure flat..."

That's right... take their side in the argument... the phrase: 'Giving aid and comfort to the enemy' comes to mind.

I do not recall the President of the United States nor the President nor Prime Minister of Israel exciting their people by publicly declaring that Iran was the 'Great Satan' nor by invading the Iranian Embassy and taking 50 embassy staff as hostages nor by declaring that Iran should be wiped off the map.

Epic Fail.

"...Even a a limited air war would be hideously expensive in lives and money with no good coming out of it..."

You fail to take into account that you are dealing with a government whose uppermost layer consists of medieval, fundamentalist, dogmatic, martyrdom-encouraging religious clerics, presiding over a branch of a belief-system whose very founders and earliest heroes embraced religious warfare and who promised great rewards in the afterlife for suffering a heroic warrior's death in this life.

One need look no further than the Martyrdom Complex suffered by the Iranian population during the course of the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War, in which the Iranian Ayatollahs sent scores of thousands of their boys 'over the top' in World War I doughboy style to certain death in the face of machine-gun fire and armor and artillery and airstrike counterfire.

The subject of Iranian-style Martyrdom, and how that plays-out in their modern-day society and culture - can be studied using a number of sources, but the obligatory Wiki article on the subject gets one off to a good start, using understandable and digestible verbiage, without investing a ton of time on it...

Martyrdom in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...and it begs the question:

"Do we, as the Big Guns who can (unfairly, perhaps, but effectively, nevertheless) refuse Nuclear Arms to a prospective member of the Nuclear Club, really want to admit a Fundamentalist Theocratic Autocracy to the Nuclear Club?"

Really?

Have we lost our friggin' minds?

This is just BEGGING for trouble in the future, for ourselves in a few years, or our kids or grandkids. Why not just demonstrate some backbone now, and say 'No', and avoid even the POTENTIAL for Iranian nuclear mischief in future, in any of a thousand-and-one scenarios that we cannot envision at present? Why do that to ourselves?

In the interests of fairness?

SCREW fair.

When Fairness and (future) Mortal Safety are at-odds, Mortal Safety needs to win-out, every time.

Fair has nothing to do with it.

"...Good god, what a bunch of idiots some people are thinking that anyone would benefit from such an adventure other than the slimy war profiteers at the pentagon."

Or, alternatively, what idiots some people are, for taking sides with The Adversary, and for metaphorically hiding behind a couple of thousand miles of ocean-water separating them from their future antagonists, and failing to realize that we are in the opening decade(s) of a resurrected struggle between The West (secularized Christendom) and a re-awakening, radical, militant, and re-militarizing Islam, of which this Iranian Shiite nucleus may end-up becoming one of the leading players over time.

 

[Redfish]

Oh I forgot Saddam did that one, sorry.

Who said Saddam did it? not me. Radical muslims did it.

I did not support going into Iraq or Afghanistan, we should have taken them out covertly or with smart bombs, ground wars were a waste of lives and dollars.

What do you think a war with Iran would look like? They are an advanced industrialized nation with formidable weapons and thirty years of certainty that our nation and Israel occasionally wants to kill a significant portion of their population bombing their infrastructure flat. Even a a limited air war would be hideously expensive in lives and money with no good coming out of it. Good god, what a bunch of idiots some people are thinking that anyone would benefit from such an adventure other than the slimy war profiteers at the pentagon.

Iran is the major exporter of terrorism in the world today, they have rallies with the theme of "death to america and death to israel". We do not want war, they do. They have declared a holy war on us, israel, and europe.

Its not about making profits for defense companies, its about the security of the USA and our allies.

You are very naive.

 

[Redfish]

The United States has killed so many civilians with Tomahawk missiles that cost millions a pop and drones that cost millions a pop. It shouldn't be surprising that in countries that don't have the same news media we have that all they hear about is how Americans are killing their neighbors. A large majority of people in the Middle East have never heard of 9/11. All they know is their cousin in some village a few miles away was killed by American soldiers or American missiles. So yes, in the eye of the beholder America is the terrorist.

Spare us the juicy rationalizations that give aid and comfort to the enemy, yes?

Yeah let's just blame sheep herders and bazaar stall vendors for terrorism instead. If they die it's not like more terrorists will want to avenge the deaths of their family. They still talk about the crusades like its a recent event. The history in those nations does not help American sympathies.

if they were all sheep herders and bazaar vendors, you might have a point, but they aren't and you don't

 

[Redfish]

They want a nuclear deterrent against invasion/attack, with the US and Israel threatening them every time a shitty conservative warhawk gets in power it is in their best interest to have one. I do not for a minute believe that they intend to use such a weapon in an offensive manner seeing as how after it is used the rest of the world will totally annihilate their country. Sure they may have crazies in charge but they are not that crazy, dirty bombs are much easier to use and entirely within their means right now and have not been used.

your knowledge of radical muslims is very limited. The crazies ARE in charge.

Experts on the Middle East say that you are wrong, they are not that crazy.

Experts like Kerry and Obama? Those experts? the ones who turned Egypt and Libya over to the muslim brotherhood? those "experts".

 

[007]

they would sell one to some radical islamic group and NYC or DC or SFO would no longer exist.

D.C. aye.... hmmm... well maybe there's an upside to Iran getting the bomb after all.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Experts like Kerry and Obama? Those experts? the ones who turned Egypt and Libya over to the muslim brotherhood? those "experts".

Ouch...

 

[DiamondDave]

Still amazes me that these are the same liberals/progressives that will salivate over 'gun control' to keep guns out of the hands of almost anyone they don't like, the 'mentally ill' (even ones who sought counseling after troubling events like divorce or whatever), and many times just pretty much everyone in general... but a warped state/country like Iran they will just allow to have the most devastating weapon/technology available

Priceless

 

[Indeependent]

Last year Iran's government PCs started playing video games.
I'm rather confident the firmware driving any Iranian missiles is "gamed".

 

[ShawnChris13]

Spare us the juicy rationalizations that give aid and comfort to the enemy, yes?

Yeah let's just blame sheep herders and bazaar stall vendors for terrorism instead. If they die it's not like more terrorists will want to avenge the deaths of their family. They still talk about the crusades like its a recent event. The history in those nations does not help American sympathies.

if they were all sheep herders and bazaar vendors, you might have a point, but they aren't and you don't

Valid point. However it is undeniable that the majority of the people are looking for our soldiers to protect them from religious militants blowing up their cities. That's why Afghanistan kept saying their security forces weren't ready. The vast population of the Middle East are peaceful people trying to earn a modest living. It's the small percentage of militants who want America out of their country who create an environment where America blows up innocent bystanders. If the majority of Middle Eastern citizens hated America and wanted to fight us we would have declared a real war instead of this guerrilla war attrition bull **** that our troops are currently fighting against.

 

[Kondor3]

Valid point. However it is undeniable that the majority of the people are looking for our soldiers to protect them from religious militants blowing up their cities. That's why Afghanistan kept saying their security forces weren't ready. The vast population of the Middle East are peaceful people trying to earn a modest living. It's the small percentage of militants who want America out of their country who create an environment where America blows up innocent bystanders. If the majority of Middle Eastern citizens hated America and wanted to fight us we would have declared a real war instead of this guerrilla war attrition bull **** that our troops are currently fighting against.

Then they need to suppress and neutralize that minority amongst them.

Until they do so, they must, regrettably, be regarded as 'standing with the enemy'.

In much the same vein that any 'enemy population' must suffer alongside its leadership.

Impossible to counter the Bad Guys when their countrymen don't act to suppress them, and when the Bad Guys continue to attack or continue to pose a threat to the rest of us.

So the population at-large suffers alongside the Bad Guys.

It's not fair, but it's the way of the world, and has been, for thousands of years.

The trick is, to come to grips with this sad Truth, and not let it un-nerve us nor cripple our defense.

The safety of our own people must come first, in our own eyes, in the final analysis, when all else fails.

To hold otherwise is to manifest (collective) suicidal behavior.

 

[Roudy]

They want a nuclear deterrent against invasion/attack, with the US and Israel threatening them every time a shitty conservative warhawk gets in power it is in their best interest to have one. I do not for a minute believe that they intend to use such a weapon in an offensive manner seeing as how after it is used the rest of the world will totally annihilate their country. Sure they may have crazies in charge but they are not that crazy, dirty bombs are much easier to use and entirely within their means right now and have not been used.

Poor little Iran just trying to protect itself from big bad Israel and the U.S..

Thanks for the laugh.

All your knowledge of Iran flows from the people who want to kill every last human being that lives on top of our oil.

What knowledge is that? The fact that Iran is an Islamic state that is governed by radicals and terrorists who wish to impose barbaric Islamic shariah law over their shiite kingdom and drag the world back to the 7th century by force? And nothing like a nuclear bomb will clear all the obstacles in their path to get there.

Yeah, sure, what's wrong with these nutjobs having a Nuke? Let's give them 10. Ha ha ha.

 

[ShawnChris13]

Valid point. However it is undeniable that the majority of the people are looking for our soldiers to protect them from religious militants blowing up their cities. That's why Afghanistan kept saying their security forces weren't ready. The vast population of the Middle East are peaceful people trying to earn a modest living. It's the small percentage of militants who want America out of their country who create an environment where America blows up innocent bystanders. If the majority of Middle Eastern citizens hated America and wanted to fight us we would have declared a real war instead of this guerrilla war attrition bull **** that our troops are currently fighting against.

Then they need to suppress and neutralize that minority amongst them.

Until they do so, they must, regrettably, be regarded as 'standing with the enemy'.

In much the same vein that any 'enemy population' must suffer alongside its leadership.

Impossible to counter the Bad Guys when their countrymen don't act to suppress them, and when the Bad Guys continue to attack or continue to pose a threat to the rest of us.

So the population at-large suffers alongside the Bad Guys.

It's not fair, but it's the way of the world, and has been, for thousands of years.

The trick is, to come to grips with this sad Truth, and not let it un-nerve us nor cripple our defense.

The safety of our own people must come first, in our own eyes, in the final analysis, when all else fails.

To hold otherwise is to manifest (collective) suicidal behavior.

The safety of our own people would be better served by protecting our people here in our country. Our border is out of control yet we are protecting civilians on the other side of the planet while instigating more enemies by causing civilian casualties. Bring the troops home and if they must die et them die defending our country and not someone else's. Perpetuating these wars to continue escalating with pointless deployments for people who obviously have shown they won't help us fight their own radical population is draining our governments capital resources and causing American families disproportionate grief to the results achieved by these desert skirmishes filled with IEDs. Each time a soldier dies the government pays out 400k in life insurance benefits. How many soldiers have died for this theoretical war on terror?

As much as congress makes in a year pales in comparison to the cost of dead soldiers fiscally and socially here at home. Close bases in a foreign state that want us gone and secure our land of freedom for the free.