What's the big deal if Iran gets the bomb?

[Kondor3]

"...The safety of our own people would be better served by protecting our people here in our country..."

Disagree, in part, and agree, in part.

Disagree, insofar as I perceive that the safety of our own people are best served by a multifaceted approach that deals effectively with internal, border-region, and international and overseas matters.

"...Our border is out of control yet we are protecting civilians on the other side of the planet..."

Agreed, we are not protecting and enforcing and controlling our own borders, and it ticks off a lot of people (you, and me, as well) that we are spending so much money overseas and so little money and effort and dedication on border security.

But it is not a 'one or the other' proposition - both are needed - we must secure our own borders AND deal effectively with threats (present and future) around the planet.

"...while instigating more enemies by causing civilian casualties..."

Mixed feedback. Agree that we need to do a much better job with intelligence and targeting and fire-permissions in connection with drone attacks, but we do need to continue to utilize drones to hammer bad guys in places where we do not otherwise have direct access to them, rather than sending our own people into places that would constitute a suicide mission.

"...Bring the troops home and if they must die et them die defending our country and not someone else's..."

I'm with you, on saying it's time to get the hell outta Afghanistan. We're not doing much good there, anyway, and more spinning our wheels than anything else.

I'm not with you, with respect to pulling-in our horns globally, and bringing them all home.

We lost that ability after the Spanish-American War; we've long-since become a global player with global interests, and there's no going back to Dreamland Isolationist Past, as tempting as that is sometimes. We, collectively, depend far too heavily upon globalization, and our part in it, for our economic and geo-political life as a nation.

"....Perpetuating these wars to continue escalating with pointless deployments for people who obviously have shown they won't help us fight their own radical population is draining our governments capital resources and causing American families disproportionate grief to the results achieved by these desert skirmishes filled with IEDs..."

Agree, in large part. We need to do a much better job of picking our fights, and getting them over with quickly, and then getting the hell out.

But, IMHO, we should not abandon the idea of Intervention when necessary to our own interests and immediate or long-term safety, and we should not allow disgust with the stupidity of recent war-making to swing the pendulum so far to the other (Isolationist) side of the scale that we paralyze ourselves and injure ourselves more in the long run than we help or defend ourselves.

"...Each time a soldier dies the government pays out 400k in life insurance benefits. How many soldiers have died for this theoretical war on terror? As much as congress makes in a year pales in comparison to the cost of dead soldiers fiscally and socially here at home. Close bases in a foreign state that want us gone and secure our land of freedom for the free."

Agreed, in large part, if not completely.

War is an expensive business. We need to do a much better job of picking our fights and winning them more quickly and disengaging.

We can also probably close a few bases here and there (outside of present combat-theaters where we can completely pull out at any time we like) but we have done a lot to scale-back our overseas presence in recent decades and there is probably not a lot more fat to trim without surrendering strategic or tactical advantage or pre-positioning in a variety of potential future hot-spots. It IS a balancing act, isn't it?

 

[NoNukes]

your knowledge of radical muslims is very limited. The crazies ARE in charge.

Experts on the Middle East say that you are wrong, they are not that crazy.

Experts like Kerry and Obama? Those experts? the ones who turned Egypt and Libya over to the muslim brotherhood? those "experts".

Academics who are experts on the Middle East.

 

[NoNukes]

your knowledge of radical muslims is very limited. The crazies ARE in charge.

Experts on the Middle East say that you are wrong, they are not that crazy.

Experts like Kerry and Obama? Those experts? the ones who turned Egypt and Libya over to the muslim brotherhood? those "experts".

Why do I always forget how stupid you are?

 

[NoNukes]

"...Experts like Kerry and Obama? Those experts? the ones who turned Egypt and Libya over to the muslim brotherhood? those "experts".

Ouch...

Yes, stupidity hurts.

 

[kwc57]

Yeah let's just blame sheep herders and bazaar stall vendors for terrorism instead. If they die it's not like more terrorists will want to avenge the deaths of their family. They still talk about the crusades like its a recent event. The history in those nations does not help American sympathies.

if they were all sheep herders and bazaar vendors, you might have a point, but they aren't and you don't

Valid point. However it is undeniable that the majority of the people are looking for our soldiers to protect them from religious militants blowing up their cities. That's why Afghanistan kept saying their security forces weren't ready. The vast population of the Middle East are peaceful people trying to earn a modest living. It's the small percentage of militants who want America out of their country who create an environment where America blows up innocent bystanders. If the majority of Middle Eastern citizens hated America and wanted to fight us we would have declared a real war instead of this guerrilla war attrition bull **** that our troops are currently fighting against.

Then they need to police their own. Simple as that.

 

[kwc57]

Experts on the Middle East say that you are wrong, they are not that crazy.

Experts like Kerry and Obama? Those experts? the ones who turned Egypt and Libya over to the muslim brotherhood? those "experts".

Academics who are experts on the Middle East.

Names? Publishings?

 

[hangover]

Only one party would defend a Country who still executes children. dimocraps.

Wow, I thought Texass was a red state.

 

[hangover]

Who said Saddam did it? not me. Radical muslims did it.

I did not support going into Iraq or Afghanistan, we should have taken them out covertly or with smart bombs, ground wars were a waste of lives and dollars.

What do you think a war with Iran would look like? They are an advanced industrialized nation with formidable weapons and thirty years of certainty that our nation and Israel occasionally wants to kill a significant portion of their population bombing their infrastructure flat. Even a a limited air war would be hideously expensive in lives and money with no good coming out of it. Good god, what a bunch of idiots some people are thinking that anyone would benefit from such an adventure other than the slimy war profiteers at the pentagon.

Yes, but they are cowards. They'd run like the cowards they are if they had to face an advanced Western Army.

Westerners stand and fight. Middle-Easterners will not.

Maybe it's not cowardice. Maybe it's prudence. Maybe they run because they know they're no match for us, either man-to-man or machine-to-machine.

They'd run like bunny rabbits if they had to face the United States.

On second thought...... They're cowards. They'd run like the cowards they are

you're so brave.....hiding behind your computer. If you weren't such a chicken shit, you'd be over there fighting those you want others to kill for you.

 

[Roudy]

What do you think a war with Iran would look like? They are an advanced industrialized nation with formidable weapons and thirty years of certainty that our nation and Israel occasionally wants to kill a significant portion of their population bombing their infrastructure flat. Even a a limited air war would be hideously expensive in lives and money with no good coming out of it. Good god, what a bunch of idiots some people are thinking that anyone would benefit from such an adventure other than the slimy war profiteers at the pentagon.

Yes, but they are cowards. They'd run like the cowards they are if they had to face an advanced Western Army.

Westerners stand and fight. Middle-Easterners will not.

Maybe it's not cowardice. Maybe it's prudence. Maybe they run because they know they're no match for us, either man-to-man or machine-to-machine.

They'd run like bunny rabbits if they had to face the United States.

On second thought...... They're cowards. They'd run like the cowards they are

you're so brave.....hiding behind your computer. If you weren't such a chicken shit, you'd be over there fighting those you want others to kill for you.

You mean fight the same brave people who blow up shopping malls and target infidel women and children?

 

[Kondor3]

"...You mean fight the same brave people who blow up shopping malls and target infidel women and children?"

Muslim Terrorists = World-Class Scumbags.

 

[ShawnChris13]

Leave the Mid East and let them go back to killing each other for no reason. The governments that will be in place know we will attack them if they sell their oil for anything other than the dollar anyways.

 

[Roudy]

Leave the Mid East and let them go back to killing each other for no reason. The governments that will be in place know we will attack them if they sell their oil for anything other than the dollar anyways.

You can't leave anything alone any longer. That's what brought 9-11. We ignored those who kept attacking us and kept calling for the destruction of the US and Israel.

 

[Contumacious]

What's the big deal if Iran gets the bomb?

Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT),

Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with articles I and II of this Treaty.

.

 

[bitterlyclingin]

Iran is allegedly in close cooperation with North Korea developing a ballistic missile that can reach the United States.

The Russians, some years ago sent a delegation to Tehran to dissuade the Mullahs from their pursuit of the bomb. Upon their return from Tehran, the Russians characterized the Mullahs as meshuganeh, constantly speaking in otherwordly and ethereal terms and arguments, genuine bonafide religious crazies. There used to be a saying, probably more reflective of pre WWII Germany, "That the Germans would march if they thought they had a fifty percent chance of victory whereas the Russians would march only if they perceived a nintey per cent chance of victory" Religious crazies will obviously march with zero per cent chance of victory, how long have they been strapping suicide vests on, walking into a crowd and blowing themsleves up, to date?

Obama and his advisors, some of whom attained their job credentials via a MFA from NYU in fictional literature writing, are more likely to have their peace overtures returned in the form of an Iranian nuke mounted on a NK ICBM landing on a US City. Lets hope that city, if there has to be one, is San Francisco. San Fran is one of the few spots where Comrade O can still draw $15,000 a head for a served meal while listening to Comrade O speak. Allegedly, during his last speaking engagement there a few days ago, everytime Comrade O enunciated a point, one wag in the audience would jump up and enthusiiastically shout "Executive Order!"

 

[Contumacious]

iran is allegedly in close cooperation with north korea developing a ballistic missile that can reach the united states.

"

huh?

Stfu.

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[hangover]

The right wingers in the U.S. have been trying to be the world dictator since the end of WWII. Nixon was going to nuke Vietnam and Laos.
After WWII the U.S. made all kinds of promises and treaties with all the Muslim countries, none of which they ever kept.
Raygun was so slimy, he sold chemical weapons to Iraq to use on the Iranians, and sold other weapons to Iran, making profits off both side of the Iran/Iraq war.
The U.S. has given the whole Muslim world every reason to hate us.
9/11 was a direct result of all the dirty deeds the U.S. has on the middle east.
Americans believe they've gotten away with killing a quarter million civilians with the nukes used on the Japanese. They also think they got away with the million civilians they killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I bet karma is still coming, and it's gonna be a bitch. When you think your shit don't stink, it gets smeared in your face, just to prove it does.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Iran is allegedly in close cooperation with North Korea developing a ballistic missile that can reach the United States.

The Russians, some years ago sent a delegation to Tehran to dissuade the Mullahs from their pursuit of the bomb. Upon their return from Tehran, the Russians characterized the Mullahs as meshuganeh, constantly speaking in otherwordly and ethereal terms and arguments, genuine bonafide religious crazies. There used to be a saying, probably more reflective of pre WWII Germany, "That the Germans would march if they thought they had a fifty percent chance of victory whereas the Russians would march only if they perceived a nintey per cent chance of victory" Religious crazies will obviously march with zero per cent chance of victory, how long have they been strapping suicide vests on, walking into a crowd and blowing themsleves up, to date?

Obama and his advisors, some of whom attained their job credentials via a MFA from NYU in fictional literature writing, are more likely to have their peace overtures returned in the form of an Iranian nuke mounted on a NK ICBM landing on a US City. Lets hope that city, if there has to be one, is San Francisco. San Fran is one of the few spots where Comrade O can still draw $15,000 a head for a served meal while listening to Comrade O speak. Allegedly, during his last speaking engagement there a few days ago, everytime Comrade O enunciated a point, one wag in the audience would jump up and enthusiiastically shout "Executive Order!"

What Nonsense!

Are we to believe you witnessed all of this personally or did you see it all in your crystal ball?

 

[Roudy]

The right wingers in the U.S. have been trying to be the world dictator since the end of WWII. Nixon was going to nuke Vietnam and Laos.
After WWII the U.S. made all kinds of promises and treaties with all the Muslim countries, none of which they ever kept.
Raygun was so slimy, he sold chemical weapons to Iraq to use on the Iranians, and sold other weapons to Iran, making profits off both side of the Iran/Iraq war.
The U.S. has given the whole Muslim world every reason to hate us.
9/11 was a direct result of all the dirty deeds the U.S. has on the middle east.
Americans believe they've gotten away with killing a quarter million civilians with the nukes used on the Japanese. They also think they got away with the million civilians they killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I bet karma is still coming, and it's gonna be a bitch. When you think your shit don't stink, it gets smeared in your face, just to prove it does.

You really love America, don't you?

 

[Roudy]

Iran is allegedly in close cooperation with North Korea developing a ballistic missile that can reach the United States.

The Russians, some years ago sent a delegation to Tehran to dissuade the Mullahs from their pursuit of the bomb. Upon their return from Tehran, the Russians characterized the Mullahs as meshuganeh, constantly speaking in otherwordly and ethereal terms and arguments, genuine bonafide religious crazies. There used to be a saying, probably more reflective of pre WWII Germany, "That the Germans would march if they thought they had a fifty percent chance of victory whereas the Russians would march only if they perceived a nintey per cent chance of victory" Religious crazies will obviously march with zero per cent chance of victory, how long have they been strapping suicide vests on, walking into a crowd and blowing themsleves up, to date?

Obama and his advisors, some of whom attained their job credentials via a MFA from NYU in fictional literature writing, are more likely to have their peace overtures returned in the form of an Iranian nuke mounted on a NK ICBM landing on a US City. Lets hope that city, if there has to be one, is San Francisco. San Fran is one of the few spots where Comrade O can still draw $15,000 a head for a served meal while listening to Comrade O speak. Allegedly, during his last speaking engagement there a few days ago, everytime Comrade O enunciated a point, one wag in the audience would jump up and enthusiiastically shout "Executive Order!"

Correct. Although I don't want to see any city here or abroad nuked.

 

[Kondor3]

The right wingers in the U.S. have been trying to be the world dictator since the end of WWII. Nixon was going to nuke Vietnam and Laos. After WWII the U.S. made all kinds of promises and treaties with all the Muslim countries, none of which they ever kept. Raygun was so slimy, he sold chemical weapons to Iraq to use on the Iranians, and sold other weapons to Iran, making profits off both side of the Iran/Iraq war. The U.S. has given the whole Muslim world every reason to hate us. 9/11 was a direct result of all the dirty deeds the U.S. has on the middle east. Americans believe they've gotten away with killing a quarter million civilians with the nukes used on the Japanese. They also think they got away with the million civilians they killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. I bet karma is still coming, and it's gonna be a bitch. When you think your shit don't stink, it gets smeared in your face, just to prove it does.

Sounds like something straight out of the Osama bin Laden Middle School Debate Club in Riyadh.