What is it that you fear about 'Obamacare'?

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    Hi

    I have a question on a subject that I am quite baffled on. I live in England where we have a public health service that is completely free at the point of delivery (the NHS). It is paid for out of taxation, government operated and available to everyone based on their medical needs. Private health care is available for anyone who wants it as well.

    The NHS is the most cherished institution that exists in this country, and any political party openly calling for it's privatisation would be signing themselves into opposition forever.

    So when I hear on the news the controversy that exists in the US about the healthcare reforms proposed by Obama (which actually appear quite modest in scope to me) I really can't understand what the fuss is about. Could someone please explain to me what it is that you fear in regards to these healthcare proposals?

    I hope this thread can be kept civil as I am not here to start an argument. I just seek to understand the American mindset a bit more.

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    Firstly, what Obama has done is nothing like your NHS.

    Secondly, your NHS is adequate - nothing more.

    Thirdly, your beloved NHS is the fourth largest employer IN THE WORLD. For a tiny little island... Can you imagine what size a similar organization would be in the US?

    Fourthly, the US has a Constitution. That document tells the Federal Government what it is allowed to do. Forcing Americans to buy a product or service is not contained within that document so his crappy idea to force us all to buy insurance is unConstitutional.

    Fifthly, what the hell business is it of yours what we do?
     
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    1) Ok, but the idea is similar no? To make healthcare affordable to everyone?

    2) Well it's done well to save my life in the past, as well as several friends and family members. Also, I don't believe the US has a life expectancy any higher than here.

    3) Is that a bad thing?

    4) Fair enough on that point. Can't say I understand the ins and outs of your constitution.

    5) Why so tetchy?
     
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    No, the idea is nothing like your NHS. Our premiums are going through the roof because of his fucking moronic 'plan'.

    I'm sure you think your system is great. Your NHS was created some 60 years ago to ensure that everyone got 'life saving' treatment. What is it now? Abortions - yep. Plastic surgery, yep. IVF, yep. In fact lots and lots of stuff - very little of it actually saving peoples lives. Yet, you have cancer patients who have to sue their NHS Trust to force them to provide life saving drugs. I'm sure you love it but it is bleeding your country dry to pay for it.

    Fourth largest employer in the world? For a country the size of Britain? Surely, even you can see how ridiculous that is.

    I'm not techy. I just don't get why you think you know jack shit about our system. You don't. It is not within our Constitution for the federal government to force us to buy insurance.
     
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    First of all Bloke...there are VERY few Americans who do not want some form of healthcare reform.
    We fought this monstrosity because it is a major mess. Just because someone wrote a healthcare reform bill does not mean it is a good one...eh?

    It is an overbloated mess that will increase costs and reduce efficiency.
    Your question should be "Why is anyone for this bill?"
     
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    No one could answer the question.
     
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    To be honest, I can understand why the Brits look at us and wonder why we don't just have a system like theirs. They've grown up with it and see no problem with it. As an outsider, I see plenty of problems. Why should I pay for someone else to have an abortion - it's not a life saving procedure. Why should I pay for a childless couple to have treatments to have a child - that's not a live saving procedure. Or plastic surgery? Or gender reassignment? Or any of the plethora of crap that they do on the NHS?

    Their NHS was a great idea. It is not workable in the US, because our nation is far bigger. It is unConstitutional. And... as has happened in the UK... what started off as a great idea has become a monstrosity that even the British know is broken but they don't want to face it.

    The French, on the other hand, have a much more interesting system and, while again, Constitutionally, it would be tricky (possibly require an Amendment) but.... their system is one I would have been prepared to consider how we could make that work in the US. But.... it should be left to individual states and not the federal government to deal with. Because the Brits don't understand how our government works, I see no way that the OP can actually ever understand this issue.
     
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    I haven't seen a smack down like that since this

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEOLt2xJ6i4[/ame]
     
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    Dude read the bill please, because or law makers haven't. Thanks :cheers2: :trolls:
     
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    I agree.
    But containing costs must, at first, be job one.
    All one has to do is look at medicare and see why our government has absolutely no business in this industry. Can you imagine the breadth of fraud and wastes? I cannot. It would be in the $100 bn's. every year.
     

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