What is it GOP leaders are doing that generates such strong support from their base?

[rdean]

Its page 4, Did any con name a bill that helped them yet?

Not yet.

Not a bill.

Not a policy.

Nuttin.

 

[IndependntLogic]

To which election are you referring? In 2010, I was very open to the GOP and their message was VERY clear: "It's about the economy, stupid. Jobs. The Economy. The GOP will fix these."

Well, they got elected and they haven't even put anything forward that I see would fix or even help with either jobs or the economy. Oh well. Neither have the Dems.

Then YOU show me a tea party member carrying a sign that didn't have something to do with the DEFICIT and GOVERNMENT SPENDING-- They weren't out there carrying signs saying "I want a job."--

That was the NUMBER ONE issue--and that is why this country RAN all over democrats in 2010. iT is conservative belief that if we get this Federal Government under control with their spending--that consumer confidence will rise--and jobs will be created in the PRIVATE sector--and not Obama's flood the basement economic policy--where the Federal Government grows in leaps and bounds.

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Ahhhh, The TEA Party! Nice dodge. Originally, you said the GOP. Now it's the Tea Party. The Republicans were campaigning on Jobs & The Economy. The Tea Party was entirely different!
Um. I only saw two Tea Party candidate races: McConnel in Delaware and Angle in Nevada. Dems took both seats.
There may have been others but I didn't see any coverage on FOX about them.

 

[rdean]

In other words, "Name some policies from the GOP leadership that has helped the Republican base".

The only thing I could think of was "cut taxes". But if you don't have a job, that's not a lot of help and Republicans ran on "Jobs, jobs, jobs".

So what has the leadership accomplished for the Republican base that the base can point to and say, "See"?

It's OK to go all the way back to 2000.

Well, for one thing, the 'base' is obsessed with abortion. The GOP's empty promises about ending legal abortion keep those people loyal to the party.

Too bad they don't show the same obsession for those same children once born.

 

[rdean]

Charity? My opinion of Charity is that it's good in a pinch, but in the long run, isn't it just "welfare" by a different name?

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

This is why cutting education and jobs programs will be such a terrible disaster for this country. Without those, you reduce millions of Americans to "charity".

Exactly. The Right loves to claim that giving handouts to the Poor discourages them from going and getting a job, or a better job.

If you believe that, then charity does the same, yet, they're always squawking about charity.

btw, if charity can do everything government social assistance, healthcare, etc., can do,

how come it never does?

It is not government's job to take care of people. You lefties can't seem to get a handle on that concept.

What is the government's job?

 

[rdean]

In other words, "Name some policies from the GOP leadership that has helped the Republican base".

The only thing I could think of was "cut taxes". But if you don't have a job, that's not a lot of help and Republicans ran on "Jobs, jobs, jobs".

So what has the leadership accomplished for the Republican base that the base can point to and say, "See"?

It's OK to go all the way back to 2000.

Well Obama's done such a bad job, they really don't have to come up with any solutions at all. They can just do what they did in the mid-terms: Criticize his mistakes and poor performance and get people emotional about it.
I haven't seen anything from them that would solve any of our problems at all. The Ryan Plan won't reduce the deficit by a penny. They haven't offered specifics on any other issues either. The wars? Nothing. Jobs? Nothing. Anything else? Nothing.
But they have a lot of great Bumper Sticker Rhetoric for the easily led: Restore Values! Cut Taxes! Protect families! and so on. Great stuff if you have ADHD.
The Dems? Nothing any better and something even worse: ObamCare.

Health Care is something sorely needed. We pay the most and get the least of any developed country. Democrats wanted single payer. The VA spends 94 cents of every dollar on patient care. What do Health Care companies spend. The year before Obama took office, HC costs went up 39%. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy. Some HC CEO's get paychecks of over $100,000,000.00. Without 60 votes in the Senate, it's impossible to get anything passed. Many Republicans owe their office to HC companies. They will never stand for reform. How can that be the Democrats fault?

 

[oreo]

Exactly. The Right loves to claim that giving handouts to the Poor discourages them from going and getting a job, or a better job.

If you believe that, then charity does the same, yet, they're always squawking about charity.

btw, if charity can do everything government social assistance, healthcare, etc., can do,

how come it never does?

It is not government's job to take care of people. You lefties can't seem to get a handle on that concept.

What is the government's job?

The Federal Government was originally set up for military protection. Now it's into everything. Education used to be a state issue--now it's the federal government--medicade used to be a state issue--now it's the federal government--social security//medicare, now it's Obamacare.

The problem--There isn't a federal government agency--that's not in red ink. Heck the Senate cafeteria can't break even on lunch--

In truth the Federal Government couldn't operate a lemonade stand without driving it into bankruptsy.

 

[rdean]

It is not government's job to take care of people. You lefties can't seem to get a handle on that concept.

What is the government's job?

The Federal Government was originally set up for military protection. Now it's into everything. Education used to be a state issue--now it's the federal government--medicade used to be a state issue--now it's the federal government--social security//medicare, now it's Obamacare.

The problem--There isn't a federal government agency--that's not in red ink. Heck the Senate cafeteria can't break even on lunch--

In truth the Federal Government couldn't operate a lemonade stand without driving it into bankruptsy.

Isn't the census in the Constitution?

Doesn't NASA own thousands of patents from innovations we paid for that is the basis for our technological supremacy in nearly every scientific field?

Would you want your children to be the first to discover poisoned milk?

Are you sure you've thought this completely through?

 

[Meister]

In other words, "Name some policies from the GOP leadership that has helped the Republican base".

The only thing I could think of was "cut taxes". But if you don't have a job, that's not a lot of help and Republicans ran on "Jobs, jobs, jobs".

So what has the leadership accomplished for the Republican base that the base can point to and say, "See"?

It's OK to go all the way back to 2000.

Well Obama's done such a bad job, they really don't have to come up with any solutions at all. They can just do what they did in the mid-terms: Criticize his mistakes and poor performance and get people emotional about it.
I haven't seen anything from them that would solve any of our problems at all. The Ryan Plan won't reduce the deficit by a penny. They haven't offered specifics on any other issues either. The wars? Nothing. Jobs? Nothing. Anything else? Nothing.
But they have a lot of great Bumper Sticker Rhetoric for the easily led: Restore Values! Cut Taxes! Protect families! and so on. Great stuff if you have ADHD.
The Dems? Nothing any better and something even worse: ObamCare.

Health Care is something sorely needed. We pay the most and get the least of any developed country. Democrats wanted single payer. The VA spends 94 cents of every dollar on patient care. What do Health Care companies spend. The year before Obama took office, HC costs went up 39%. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy. Some HC CEO's get paychecks of over $100,000,000.00. Without 60 votes in the Senate, it's impossible to get anything passed. Many Republicans owe their office to HC companies. They will never stand for reform. How can that be the Democrats fault?

Once you get past your partisan bias, you may once again see reality.


Since 1989, the health insurance industry has given current members of Congress $39.5 million, with Democrats collecting 52 percent of that. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) has collected the most from the companies at $767,800, followed by Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), whose health insurance money adds up to $737,260. President Obama received $1.3 million from the industry in the 2008 election cycle (and $1.4 million if you include his Senate fundraising). Among health insurers, Blue Cross/Blue Shield and AFLAC have made the greatest contributions to current members of Congress over time at $7 million and $5.7 million, respectively.
Health Insurers Owe Policyholders, But Pay Congress Instead - OpenSecrets Blog | OpenSecrets


Barack Obama (D) P $1,427,180
Chris Dodd (D-Conn) S $767,841
John Boehner (R-Ohio)H $737,260
Hillary Clinton (D-NY) S $697,351
John McCain (R) S $684,787
John Kerry (D-Mass) S $680,184
Max Baucus (D-Mont) S $655,899
Earl Pomeroy (D-ND) H $611,554
Ben Nelson (D-Neb) S $522,546
Mitch McConnell (R-Ky)S $520,327
Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)H $490,098
John Ensign (R-Nev) S $477,620
Eric Cantor (R-Va) H $461,850
Joe Lieberman (I-Conn)S $449,066
Evan Bayh (D-Ind) S $448,938
Roy Blunt (R-Mo) H $425,378
Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)S $422,149

Dude....try being a little honest, both parties are in the pockets of healthcare providers.

 

[Ravi]

Its page 4, Did any con name a bill that helped them yet?

Not yet.

Not a bill.

Not a policy.

Nuttin.

I know one! In Florida, woman now must be subjected to invasive ultrasounds if they want to have an abortion.

Wait, did you ask about bills that conservatives benefit from or Republicans?

 

[IndependntLogic]

The Federal Government was originally set up for military protection. Now it's into everything. Education used to be a state issue--now it's the federal government--medicade used to be a state issue--now it's the federal government--social security//medicare, now it's Obamacare.

The problem--There isn't a federal government agency--that's not in red ink. Heck the Senate cafeteria can't break even on lunch--

In truth the Federal Government couldn't operate a lemonade stand without driving it into bankruptsy.

Yes it was set up for military protection but other things too. We'd just gotten out of a war that actually created a new country. Military protection was the priority. BUt when the Fed Govt was originally set up, they weren't sure WHAT this country would become. That's why they left the USC open for change. Otherwise, women would still not be able to vote and blacks would still be slaves.
Education was not a state issue, btw. Primary education was overwhelmingly a "town issue" and colleges were overwhelmingly private. Why? We didn't have that many people! (compared to now, anyways).
Before we were even the USA, our country was started and grew by the government giving away stuff. The Revolutionary War was financed & Peopled because of men promising property, freedom etc.. to people in exchange for service as a government employee. Government services, regualtion etc... expanded as we decided to expand and grow as a country.

 

[oreo]

Well Obama's done such a bad job, they really don't have to come up with any solutions at all. They can just do what they did in the mid-terms: Criticize his mistakes and poor performance and get people emotional about it.
I haven't seen anything from them that would solve any of our problems at all. The Ryan Plan won't reduce the deficit by a penny. They haven't offered specifics on any other issues either. The wars? Nothing. Jobs? Nothing. Anything else? Nothing.
But they have a lot of great Bumper Sticker Rhetoric for the easily led: Restore Values! Cut Taxes! Protect families! and so on. Great stuff if you have ADHD.
The Dems? Nothing any better and something even worse: ObamCare.

Health Care is something sorely needed. We pay the most and get the least of any developed country. Democrats wanted single payer. The VA spends 94 cents of every dollar on patient care. What do Health Care companies spend. The year before Obama took office, HC costs went up 39%. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy. Some HC CEO's get paychecks of over $100,000,000.00. Without 60 votes in the Senate, it's impossible to get anything passed. Many Republicans owe their office to HC companies. They will never stand for reform. How can that be the Democrats fault?

Once you get past your partisan bias, you may once again see reality.


Since 1989, the health insurance industry has given current members of Congress $39.5 million, with Democrats collecting 52 percent of that. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) has collected the most from the companies at $767,800, followed by Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), whose health insurance money adds up to $737,260. President Obama received $1.3 million from the industry in the 2008 election cycle (and $1.4 million if you include his Senate fundraising). Among health insurers, Blue Cross/Blue Shield and AFLAC have made the greatest contributions to current members of Congress over time at $7 million and $5.7 million, respectively.
Health Insurers Owe Policyholders, But Pay Congress Instead - OpenSecrets Blog | OpenSecrets


Barack Obama (D) P $1,427,180
Chris Dodd (D-Conn) S $767,841
John Boehner (R-Ohio)H $737,260
Hillary Clinton (D-NY) S $697,351
John McCain (R) S $684,787
John Kerry (D-Mass) S $680,184
Max Baucus (D-Mont) S $655,899
Earl Pomeroy (D-ND) H $611,554
Ben Nelson (D-Neb) S $522,546
Mitch McConnell (R-Ky)S $520,327
Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)H $490,098
John Ensign (R-Nev) S $477,620
Eric Cantor (R-Va) H $461,850
Joe Lieberman (I-Conn)S $449,066
Evan Bayh (D-Ind) S $448,938
Roy Blunt (R-Mo) H $425,378
Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)S $422,149

Dude....try being a little honest, both parties are in the pockets of healthcare providers.

Now--Now--Now--leave Barack Obama out of this-- You may get called a racist for implicating him in taking money from LOBBYISTS. Remember--he made a promise to get rid of LOBBYISTS in Washington D.C.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Its page 4, Did any con name a bill that helped them yet?

Not yet.

Not a bill.

Not a policy.

Nuttin.

Interesting...

 

[rdean]

Well Obama's done such a bad job, they really don't have to come up with any solutions at all. They can just do what they did in the mid-terms: Criticize his mistakes and poor performance and get people emotional about it.
I haven't seen anything from them that would solve any of our problems at all. The Ryan Plan won't reduce the deficit by a penny. They haven't offered specifics on any other issues either. The wars? Nothing. Jobs? Nothing. Anything else? Nothing.
But they have a lot of great Bumper Sticker Rhetoric for the easily led: Restore Values! Cut Taxes! Protect families! and so on. Great stuff if you have ADHD.
The Dems? Nothing any better and something even worse: ObamCare.

Health Care is something sorely needed. We pay the most and get the least of any developed country. Democrats wanted single payer. The VA spends 94 cents of every dollar on patient care. What do Health Care companies spend. The year before Obama took office, HC costs went up 39%. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy. Some HC CEO's get paychecks of over $100,000,000.00. Without 60 votes in the Senate, it's impossible to get anything passed. Many Republicans owe their office to HC companies. They will never stand for reform. How can that be the Democrats fault?

Once you get past your partisan bias, you may once again see reality.


Since 1989, the health insurance industry has given current members of Congress $39.5 million, with Democrats collecting 52 percent of that. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) has collected the most from the companies at $767,800, followed by Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), whose health insurance money adds up to $737,260. President Obama received $1.3 million from the industry in the 2008 election cycle (and $1.4 million if you include his Senate fundraising). Among health insurers, Blue Cross/Blue Shield and AFLAC have made the greatest contributions to current members of Congress over time at $7 million and $5.7 million, respectively.
Health Insurers Owe Policyholders, But Pay Congress Instead - OpenSecrets Blog | OpenSecrets


Barack Obama (D) P $1,427,180
Chris Dodd (D-Conn) S $767,841
John Boehner (R-Ohio)H $737,260
Hillary Clinton (D-NY) S $697,351
John McCain (R) S $684,787
John Kerry (D-Mass) S $680,184
Max Baucus (D-Mont) S $655,899
Earl Pomeroy (D-ND) H $611,554
Ben Nelson (D-Neb) S $522,546
Mitch McConnell (R-Ky)S $520,327
Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)H $490,098
John Ensign (R-Nev) S $477,620
Eric Cantor (R-Va) H $461,850
Joe Lieberman (I-Conn)S $449,066
Evan Bayh (D-Ind) S $448,938
Roy Blunt (R-Mo) H $425,378
Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)S $422,149

Dude....try being a little honest, both parties are in the pockets of healthcare providers.

From the company PAC or from the people who work there? Think about why that makes a difference.

 

[Meister]

Health Care is something sorely needed. We pay the most and get the least of any developed country. Democrats wanted single payer. The VA spends 94 cents of every dollar on patient care. What do Health Care companies spend. The year before Obama took office, HC costs went up 39%. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy. Some HC CEO's get paychecks of over $100,000,000.00. Without 60 votes in the Senate, it's impossible to get anything passed. Many Republicans owe their office to HC companies. They will never stand for reform. How can that be the Democrats fault?

Once you get past your partisan bias, you may once again see reality.


Since 1989, the health insurance industry has given current members of Congress $39.5 million, with Democrats collecting 52 percent of that. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) has collected the most from the companies at $767,800, followed by Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), whose health insurance money adds up to $737,260. President Obama received $1.3 million from the industry in the 2008 election cycle (and $1.4 million if you include his Senate fundraising). Among health insurers, Blue Cross/Blue Shield and AFLAC have made the greatest contributions to current members of Congress over time at $7 million and $5.7 million, respectively.
Health Insurers Owe Policyholders, But Pay Congress Instead - OpenSecrets Blog | OpenSecrets


Barack Obama (D) P $1,427,180
Chris Dodd (D-Conn) S $767,841
John Boehner (R-Ohio)H $737,260
Hillary Clinton (D-NY) S $697,351
John McCain (R) S $684,787
John Kerry (D-Mass) S $680,184
Max Baucus (D-Mont) S $655,899
Earl Pomeroy (D-ND) H $611,554
Ben Nelson (D-Neb) S $522,546
Mitch McConnell (R-Ky)S $520,327
Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)H $490,098
John Ensign (R-Nev) S $477,620
Eric Cantor (R-Va) H $461,850
Joe Lieberman (I-Conn)S $449,066
Evan Bayh (D-Ind) S $448,938
Roy Blunt (R-Mo) H $425,378
Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)S $422,149

Dude....try being a little honest, both parties are in the pockets of healthcare providers.

From the company PAC or from the people who work there? Think about why that makes a difference.

You should try reading the article and you would have had your answer, deen'o. Bottom line......the dems hold the edge.

 

[Trajan]

You mean you think the bottom 55% of Americans are Republicans?
Cause - that is who doesn't pay any income taxes.

Red States are much more poor than Blue States. What does that tell you?
We've linked to government reports many times showing how money flows from Blue States to Red States. It's not something that can be denied. What do we do to change that?

you are hopeless dude....

Red States are much more poor than Blue States. What does that tell you?
We've linked to government reports many times showing how money flows from Blue States to Red States. It's not something that can be denied. What do we do to change that?

you are hopeless dude....

You mean you didn't know? Seriously? I thought everyone knew this by now.

a) be assured there is nothing that occurs to you, that has not occurred to me first,
b) follow the quotes , you can do that right? its called a conversation, your point back there means squat, it has no bearing in this conversation.

 

[L.K.Eder]

In other words, "Name some policies from the GOP leadership that has helped the Republican base".

The only thing I could think of was "cut taxes". But if you don't have a job, that's not a lot of help and Republicans ran on "Jobs, jobs, jobs".

So what has the leadership accomplished for the Republican base that the base can point to and say, "See"?

It's OK to go all the way back to 2000.

team sport in a league with two shitty teams but with fanatics.


you americans need at least 4 viable political parties. and get rid of the winner takes it all election system.

 

[EriktheRed]

What is it GOP leaders are doing that generates such strong support from their base?

They're hating on a Dem President, who according to their hero Rush (and Hannity, etc.) has no legitmacy no matter how many voted for him.

 

[Meister]

What is it GOP leaders are doing that generates such strong support from their base?

They're hating on a Dem President, who according to their hero Rush (and Hannity, etc.) has no legitmacy no matter how many voted for him.

I wouldn't call it hatin' on the president, I would call it hatin' on his policies. There is a big difference ya know.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Charity? My opinion of Charity is that it's good in a pinch, but in the long run, isn't it just "welfare" by a different name?

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

This is why cutting education and jobs programs will be such a terrible disaster for this country. Without those, you reduce millions of Americans to "charity".

Exactly. The Right loves to claim that giving handouts to the Poor discourages them from going and getting a job, or a better job.

If you believe that, then charity does the same, yet, they're always squawking about charity.

btw, if charity can do everything government social assistance, healthcare, etc., can do,

how come it never does?

It is not government's job to take care of people. You lefties can't seem to get a handle on that concept.

Actually that's the only job of the government, if you think about it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The key belief that they can live in a capitalist system and not pay their fair share of the freight for the havoc that system creates.

You mean you think the bottom 55% of Americans are Republicans?
Cause - that is who doesn't pay any income taxes.

Red States are much more poor than Blue States. What does that tell you?
We've linked to government reports many times showing how money flows from Blue States to Red States. It's not something that can be denied. What do we do to change that?

and yet the biggest most powerful blue State is slowly dying......why is that Dean?....