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[Montrovant]

Do you see that it says nothing about gay parents or same gender role models? That is because, by their own words, the Prince's Trust Macquarie Youth Index is about the overall happiness of young people. There are numerous factors taken into consideration as to why the various young people are or are not happy. While positive role models is one of the things brought up in the 2011 Index, it is only one. In fact, the report indicates that being in education, employment or training has the greatest effect on the happiness of the youths involved....So, no, the survey is NOT about same gender role models.

I explained that role models are only one part of the 2011 Youth Index. I read that report, as well as a couple of the more recent ones, but I get the impression you have not. I'll repeat this on the off chance you actually read these posts instead of just automatically replying with the same tired, repetitive crap : The Prince's Trust Youth Index is about overall happiness. How positive role models relate to that is only one aspect of the overall report. The report is NOT simply about same gender role models. If you think it is, you have not actually read the report you've linked over and over again.

http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf People quote articles about studies all the time..
It absolutely was about children growing up without same gender roles:

FROM THE ACTUAL PRINCE'S TRUST STUDY:

Page 8 (the left side on the green background)

In addition to indexing the happiness and wellbeing of young people, the report explores some significant demographic differences between young people. They include a comparison between those not in education employment or training with their peers...those without a positive role model of their gender in their lives (women without a positive female role model and men without a positive male role model) and their peers...those with fewer than five GCSEs graded A* to C (or equivalent) with their peers... Respondents are asked how happy and confident they are in different areas of their life. The responses are converted to a numerical scale, resulting in a number out of 100-- with 100 representing entirely happy or confident and zero being not at all happy or confident.

Page 10 (The bold largest heading above the material that followed it)

Young people without a role model of the same gender in their lives

The Prince's Trust study is the largest of its kind. Not like the APA that likes theirs small and very easy to "extrapolate from for public consumption"..Again, brought to you by the American Psychological Association (APA):

"Consensual Qualitative Research: A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena...consensual qualitative research (CQR). CQR is an 1 inductive method that is characterized by 2 open-ended interview questions, 3 small samples, a 4 reliance on words over numbers, the importance of context, an integration of multiple viewpoints, and consensus of the research team Consensual Qualitative Research A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena "

Your reply here confirms what I have been saying, that the Index is not about same gender role models, that is merely one part of it. Your quote from page 8 clearly states that those not in education, employment or training are another part, despite your attempt to cloud that with your selective use of bold font. But, despite the fact you've proven me correct with your own quotes, both that role models are not what the report is about and that the report discusses positive role models, not simply any role models, you continue to repeat the same things.

It is entirely clear that you comprehend neither the report you are quoting nor the posts you respond to.

 

[Silhouette]

As you've already admitted, the Prince Study doesn't measure anything you claim to be concerned with. It doesn't measure the effects of a two parent household compared to a one parent household. It doesn't measure same sex families vs. hetero families. Every extrapolation of such is you citing you. Not the study.

When same sex households and their children are examined, the overwhelming consensus of these studies is that these children are as healthy and well adjusted as those from hetero households. And better adjusted than children from single parent households. The exact opposite of your claim.

You mean the APA sponsored studies, don't you? The ones that prefer "small samples" (as opposed to the Prince's study of over 2,000 subjects...the "largest of its kind"), "open-ended questions" and "reliance on words over numbers"...that are audited by the special-interest powers at the APA (the LGBT lobby)?

"Consensual Qualitative Research: A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena...consensual qualitative research (CQR). CQR is an 1 inductive method that is characterized by 2 open-ended interview questions, 3 small samples, a 4 reliance on words over numbers, the importance of context, an integration of multiple viewpoints, and consensus of the research team Consensual Qualitative Research A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena "

http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf
It absolutely was about children growing up without same gender roles:
FROM THE ACTUAL PRINCE'S TRUST STUDY:
Page 8 (the left side on the green background)

In addition to indexing the happiness and wellbeing of young people, the report explores some significant demographic differences between young people. They include a comparison between those not in education employment or training with their peers...those without a positive role model of their gender in their lives (women without a positive female role model and men without a positive male role model) and their peers...those with fewer than five GCSEs graded A* to C (or equivalent) with their peers... Respondents are asked how happy and confident they are in different areas of their life. The responses are converted to a numerical scale, resulting in a number out of 100-- with 100 representing entirely happy or confident and zero being not at all happy or confident.

Page 10 (The bold largest heading above the material that followed it)

Young people without a role model of the same gender in their lives

 

[Silhouette]

From the article quoting the Prince's Trust study: The British article: Teens without parent role model are 67 per cent less likely to get a job Daily Mail Online

Young men with no male role models in their lives and women without a mother figure struggle to keep their lives on track, a hard-hitting report warns today. The Prince’s Trust youth index, the largest survey of its kind, found that....67 per cent more likely to be unemployed than their counterparts. They are also significantly more likely to stay unemployed for longer than their peers, the report suggests....It found that young men with no male role model are 50 per cent more likely to abuse drugs and young females in the corresponding position are significantly more likely to drink to excess..

Young men with no male role model to look up to were twice as likely to turn or consider turning to crime as a result of being unemployed...The report, which was based on interviews with 2,170 16 to 25-year-olds...These young men are also three times more likely to feel down or depressed all of the time and significantly more likely to admit that they cannot remember the last time they felt proud...They are also significantly less likely to feel happy and confident than those with male role models, according to the figures....The Prince’s Trust report, which was carried out by YouGov, suggests young people without male role models are more than twice as likely to lack a sense of belonging.

 

[Skylar]

You mean the APA sponsored studies, don't you? The ones that prefer "small samples" (as opposed to the Prince's study of over 2,000 subjects...the "largest of its kind"), "open-ended questions" and "reliance on words over numbers"...that are audited by the special-interest powers at the APA (the LGBT lobby)?

Again, the Prince study doesn't measure same sex parent or its effects on children. It doesn't matter the sample size. The factor you claim to measure with the Prince study isn't part of Prince Study. It doesn't measure the effects of same sex parenting, single parenting, two parent households, or hetero households.

Making it irrelevant to a discussion of same sex households effects on children.

While the studies that contradict you, they are varied and vast, including international studies involving hundreds of families. And each of these studies directly and explicitly addresses the issue of the mental and physical health of children in same sex families. And the overwhelming consensus of these studies is that same sex households raise chlidren that are just as healthy and well adjusted as those from hetero households.

You ignore all studies that contradict you, regardless of origin, sample size, methodology or source. Your sole basis of credibility is that study say what you want to believe. If it doesn't, you ignore it. Watch, I'll demonstrate for you:

Children of same-sex parents have above average health and wellbeing, research by the University of Melbourne shows.

The research was based on data from the Australian Study of Child Health in Same-Sex Families, which involved input from 315 same-sex parents and a total of 500 children. Of these participating families, 80 percent had female parents while 18 percent had male parents.

"It appears that same-sex parent families get along well and this has a positive impact on health," said Dr Simon Crouch from the Jack Brockhoff Child Health and Wellbeing Program, Centre for Health Equity at the University of Melbourne.

Children of same sex parents healthier Study

That's a study conducted overseas, including over 300 families and more than 500 children. And you ignore it completely. Why? Because it contradicts what you choose to believe. It finds that same sex parents raise children that are *at least* as healthy and well adjusted as their hetero counter parts.

You ignore anything that contradicts you. Sample size is irrelevant to you. Methodology is irrelevant to you. Origin is irrelevant to you. All that's necessary for you to ignore a source is that it contradict your assumptions. The court is not similarly obligated to ignore what you choose to.

And the University of Melbourne study is hardly alone:

Most research studies show that children with two moms or two dads fare just as well as children with heterosexual parents. In fact, one comprehensive study of children raised by lesbian mothers or gay fathers concluded that children raised by same-sex parents did not differ from other children in terms of emotional functioning, sexual orientation, stigmatization, gender role behavior, behavioral adjustment, gender identity, learning and grade point averages. Where research differences have been found, they have sometimes favored same-sex parents. For example, adolescents with same-sex parents reported feeling more connected at school. Another study reported that children in gay and lesbian households are more likely to talk about emotionally difficult topics, and they are often more resilient, compassionate and tolerant.

Same-sex Parents and Their Children

That from the 25,000 member American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy. Which, undoubtedly, you'll invent some wild batshit conspiracy about, like you have any other source that contradicts you. What you don't have is an evidence to back your batshit conspiracies. Nor a valid reason why a rational person would ignore what you must.

And again....

"The vast consensus of all the studies shows that children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every way," she tells WebMD. "In some ways children of same-sex parents actually may have advantages over other family structures.....

...."Some studies showed that single heterosexual parents' children have more difficulties than children who have parents of the same sex," Perrin says. "They did better in discipline, self-esteem, and had less psychosocial difficulties at home and at school."

Kids Of Same-Sex Parents Do Fine - CBS News

Experts on the topic, addressing study after study.....the overwhelming consensus of which contradicts you. So you ignore them too. Despite the fact that each of these studies explicitly addresses the issues of mental and physical health of the children of same sex couples.

And the Prince Study never does.

One area the researchers found no differences in was the mental health of children or their quality of relationship with parents. Children brought up by lesbians and gay men are well-adjusted, have good levels of self-esteem and are as likely to have high educational attainments as children raised in more traditional heterosexual families.

“Levels of anxiety, depression, self-esteem and other measures of social and psychological behaviors were generally similar,” Biblarz said. “While all children probably get teased for one thing or another, children with gay parents may experience a higher degree of teasing and ridicule. It is impressive then that their psychological well-being and social adjustment does not significantly differ, on average, from that of children in comparable heterosexual-parent families. Exploring how lesbian and gay parent families help children cope with stigma could prove helpful to all kinds of families.”

Sociology Study examines gender roles of children with gay parents USC News

This from a University of Southern California Study. And you'll ignore them as surely as you will the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy, as surely as you will the American Psychological Association, as surely as you will the University of Melborne.

As remember, you don't care about sample size. You don't care about origin. You don't care about methodology. All you care is if a study says what you believe. If it doesn't, you ignore it.

You fail because there's no reason for anyone else to ignore what you must to cling to your beliefs.

Psychological adjustment of children raised lesbian and gay families is really no different than children in straight families. All the studies, no matter how people did the research found the same thing, which is that kids are not disadvantaged by being raised in lesbian and gay parent families. There might even be particular areas where they have strengths, it just depends on how you look at the research.

Interview with Lesbian and Gay Parenting Expert Dr. Abbie Goldberg

Why would I ignore Dr. Abbie Goldberg and instead believe you? There is no reason. Why would you ignore Dr. Abbie Goldberg and instead believe yourself? There's no reason there either.

 

[Skylar]

From the article quoting the Prince's Trust study: The British article: Teens without parent role model are 67 per cent less likely to get a job Daily Mail Online

Young men with no male role models in their lives and women without a mother figure struggle to keep their lives on track, a hard-hitting report warns today. The Prince’s Trust youth index, the largest survey of its kind, found that....67 per cent more likely to be unemployed than their counterparts. They are also significantly more likely to stay unemployed for longer than their peers, the report suggests....It found that young men with no male role model are 50 per cent more likely to abuse drugs and young females in the corresponding position are significantly more likely to drink to excess..

Young men with no male role model to look up to were twice as likely to turn or consider turning to crime as a result of being unemployed...The report, which was based on interviews with 2,170 16 to 25-year-olds...These young men are also three times more likely to feel down or depressed all of the time and significantly more likely to admit that they cannot remember the last time they felt proud...They are also significantly less likely to feel happy and confident than those with male role models, according to the figures....The Prince’s Trust report, which was carried out by YouGov, suggests young people without male role models are more than twice as likely to lack a sense of belonging.

The Prince's Trust study doesn't measure same sex parenting. It doesn't measure single parenting. It doesn't measure hetero parenting. It doesn't measure two parent households. It doesn't measure the health of children being raised in same sex households.

Every extrapolation on the topic you've invented is you citing yourself. Not the study.

While every study that you ignore, without exception, directly addresses the issue of same sex parenting and the health of children in such households. And they find that these children are healthy. No court is going to ignore the legion of studies that contradict you, each directly addressing the issues you claim to measure. While accepting a study that doesn't address same sex parenting in the slightest as authoritative on the health of children in same sex families.

You can't get around that.

 

[Silhouette]

The Prince's Trust study doesn't measure same sex parenting. It doesn't measure single parenting. It doesn't measure hetero parenting. It doesn't measure two parent households. It doesn't measure the health of children being raised in same sex households.

Every extrapolation on the topic you've invented is you citing yourself. Not the study.

I ignore any APA funded "study" on gay issues. Yes I do. And others would be well advised to do so. When an outfit touts "small numbers" and "feelings instead of data" to arrive at bias-saturated (& internal power-structure-audited) conclusions for public consumption, I tend to shy away from those "studies".

The Prince's Trust study most certainly visits and hovers around the hub topic of "missing the same gender as you are as a role model as you are growing up". Guess what gays and single parents provide for kids? That's right! See? That extrapolation wasn't hard to do at all now was it?

We know kids in single homes struggle as adults. And now the Prince's Trust has told us at least one of the reasons why (lack of ones gender as a role model). Interestingly, the numbers fall heavy on difficulties for the boys instead of the girls raised with only one parent. And what a coincidence? Most single parents are women! That lends weight also to not just the self-reported woes of some 2,000+ 25 year olds that "growing up without my gender as a role model has left my life in ruins" but also just the raw data that tells us boys would be the more likely of the two genders to go through that experience because of the prevalence of single moms as opposed to single dads sticking with the kids.

 

[Jarhead]

there is no doubt in my mind that a child will have an easier time developing if they were brought up in a traditional household....with a mother and a father.

However....

The same holds true if one parent did not work...but circumstances don't always allow this.

The same holds true with 2 parents over one.....but circumstances don't always allow this

The same holds true of parents did not fall back on a housekeeper/nanny to rear their kids.....but circumstances don't always allow this.

Truth is, in todays society, the "ideal" home structure is rarely achieved.....yet our children are doing just fine overall.

No issue with same gender parenting in my book.

 

[Syriusly]

The Prince's Trust study doesn't measure same sex parenting. It doesn't measure single parenting. It doesn't measure hetero parenting. It doesn't measure two parent households. It doesn't measure the health of children being raised in same sex households.

Every extrapolation on the topic you've invented is you citing yourself. Not the study.

I ignore any APA funded "study" on gay issues. Yes I do. .....
We know kids in single homes struggle as adults. .

You are not a parent.
You are not married.
You have no degree in statistics.
Your only claim to exposure to an actual homosexual is claiming that you knew a homosexual who claimed to someone else who supposedly told you- that he was a serial killer.

You lie repeatedly in order to attack homosexuals.

The Prince's Study does not mention homosexuals.
It does not mention two parent same gender families.

You just lie about it- the way you always do- with cherry picking quotes- ignoring everything else that doesnt' say what you want to- and then making up your own quotes.

You just lie.

 

[Syriusly]

there is no doubt in my mind that a child will have an easier time developing if they were brought up in a traditional household....with a mother and a father.

However....

The same holds true if one parent did not work...but circumstances don't always allow this.

The same holds true with 2 parents over one.....but circumstances don't always allow this

The same holds true of parents did not fall back on a housekeeper/nanny to rear their kids.....but circumstances don't always allow this.

Truth is, in todays society, the "ideal" home structure is rarely achieved.....yet our children are doing just fine overall.

No issue with same gender parenting in my book.

I feel much the same way.

We do not require people to get licenses in order to have children. Haven't we all had someone we know announce that they are going to have a child and think inwardly "oh my god that poor child....." because we thought the person would be a horrible parent?

But we don't have the right- legally or morally- to prevent that person from becoming a parent.

I like your post- and agree with it.

 

[Jarhead]

there is no doubt in my mind that a child will have an easier time developing if they were brought up in a traditional household....with a mother and a father.

However....

The same holds true if one parent did not work...but circumstances don't always allow this.

The same holds true with 2 parents over one.....but circumstances don't always allow this

The same holds true of parents did not fall back on a housekeeper/nanny to rear their kids.....but circumstances don't always allow this.

Truth is, in todays society, the "ideal" home structure is rarely achieved.....yet our children are doing just fine overall.

No issue with same gender parenting in my book.

I feel much the same way.

We do not require people to get licenses in order to have children. Haven't we all had someone we know announce that they are going to have a child and think inwardly "oh my god that poor child....." because we thought the person would be a horrible parent?

But we don't have the right- legally or morally- to prevent that person from becoming a parent.

I like your post- and agree with it.

To some people.....having a child is what they do because...well...its what they are supposed to do.....

To a gay couple....a child is a true blessing.

But lets be honest...the ideal scenario is diversity in the home.....but love and caring is more important than anything else.

 

[Syriusly]

there is no doubt in my mind that a child will have an easier time developing if they were brought up in a traditional household....with a mother and a father.

However....

The same holds true if one parent did not work...but circumstances don't always allow this.

The same holds true with 2 parents over one.....but circumstances don't always allow this

The same holds true of parents did not fall back on a housekeeper/nanny to rear their kids.....but circumstances don't always allow this.

Truth is, in todays society, the "ideal" home structure is rarely achieved.....yet our children are doing just fine overall.

No issue with same gender parenting in my book.

I feel much the same way.

We do not require people to get licenses in order to have children. Haven't we all had someone we know announce that they are going to have a child and think inwardly "oh my god that poor child....." because we thought the person would be a horrible parent?

But we don't have the right- legally or morally- to prevent that person from becoming a parent.

I like your post- and agree with it.

To some people.....having a child is what they do because...well...its what they are supposed to do.....

To a gay couple....a child is a true blessing.

But lets be honest...the ideal scenario is diversity in the home.....but love and caring is more important than anything else.

Again- I agree.

 

[Silhouette]

there is no doubt in my mind that a child will have an easier time developing if they were brought up in a traditional household....with a mother and a father. However.... The same holds true if one parent did not work...but circumstances don't always allow this. The same holds true with 2 parents over one.....but circumstances don't always allow this The same holds true of parents did not fall back on a housekeeper/nanny to rear their kids.....but circumstances don't always allow this. Truth is, in todays society, the "ideal" home structure is rarely achieved.....yet our children are doing just fine overall. No issue with same gender parenting in my book.

Not according to the Prince's Trust study they aren't doing "fine overall". Their missing their own gender as a role model is causing them harm. The cure is to incentivize their formative environment to include, hopefully, both of their blood parents but failing and no lesser than, at least, two people of the complimentary genders.

A state isn't in the business of losing money on marriage in order to encourage a formative-environment free-for-all. They are keenly aware of what is best for children and they set their laws accordingly. Some states have decided to buy the CQR-funded tripe the APA spews out using "small samples", preferring "feelings and words over raw data"...that are audited by the power structure of the LGBT lobbied APA ranks. These rogue states have decided it's OK to use kids as guinea pigs "to see how it all shakes out" with "gay marriage". Even though they know from looking at their single parents' kids, and now the Prince's Trust study that depriving a child of their same gender as a role model is detrimental to them.

Children can be raised by wolves. They can be raised by gays. They can be raised by polygamists. States decide whether or not those environments cut the muster as the best incentivized environment bang for their buck. The payoff a state gets with a man/woman marriage is a future of citizens better adjusted, less likely to be in prison, on welfare or in mental institutions...So wise states say "marriage is only between a man and a woman".

http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf
FROM THE PRINCE'S TRUST STUDY:
Page 8 (the left side on the green background)

In addition to indexing the happiness and wellbeing of young people, the report explores some significant demographic differences between young people. They include a comparison between those not in education employment or training with their peers...those without a positive role model of their gender in their lives (women without a positive female role model and men without a positive male role model) and their peers...those with fewer than five GCSEs graded A* to C (or equivalent) with their peers... Respondents are asked how happy and confident they are in different areas of their life. The responses are converted to a numerical scale, resulting in a number out of 100-- with 100 representing entirely happy or confident and zero being not at all happy or confident.

Page 10 (The bold largest heading above the material that followed it)

Young people without a role model of the same gender in their lives

Here's what we get in contrast from the APA's "CQR" methods (cult regurgitation for public consumption "as science")

"Consensual Qualitative Research: A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena...consensual qualitative research (CQR). CQR is an 1 inductive method that is characterized by 2 open-ended interview questions, 3 small samples, a 4 reliance on words over numbers, the importance of context, an integration of multiple viewpoints, and consensus of the research team... Consensual Qualitative Research A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena "

 

[Syriusly]

there is no doubt in my mind that a child will have an easier time developing if they were brought up in a traditional household....with a mother and a father. However.... The same holds true if one parent did not work...but circumstances don't always allow this. The same holds true with 2 parents over one.....but circumstances don't always allow this The same holds true of parents did not fall back on a housekeeper/nanny to rear their kids.....but circumstances don't always allow this. Truth is, in todays society, the "ideal" home structure is rarely achieved.....yet our children are doing just fine overall. No issue with same gender parenting in my book.

Not according to the Prince's Trust study they aren't doing "fine overall".]

That study doesn't mention same gender parenting at all.

 

[Silhouette]

That study doesn't mention same gender parenting at all.

It mentions adult children self-reporting on their lives, 2,000+ of them, on how not having a adult of their gender as a daily role model has trashed their lives.

If a boy grows up in a lesbian home, then the report is about him. If a girl grows up in a gay men home, then the report is about her. If either child grew up in a home where there was a single parent that was not their gender, the report is about them too. It is about all kids without a role model of their same gender.

That's the beauty of the survey. It doesn't HAVE to mention gay homes or single homes. It simply is implied by the focus of the study. The gay "marriage" has the identical structure as a single parent home where the opposite gender is missing. The study is about both scenarios without having to mention either.

The study's results just simply "are what they are"..

 

[Syriusly]

That study doesn't mention same gender parenting at all.

It mentions adult children self-reporting on their lives, 2,000+ of them, on how not having a adult of their gender as a daily role model has trashed their lives.

If a boy grows up in a lesbian home, then the report is about him..

Once again- you are just lying.

Nowhere in the report does it mention 'as a daily role model'- you just made that crap up. The report doesn't use the term 'daily' anywhere. The report mentions 'role model' 46 times- and not once is there any claim- inference- mention of 'daily' or any similar term- you just made it up.

Example:

Young people without a role model of the same gender in their lives
The Prince’s Trust Macquarie Youth Index shows that more than one in four young people
(27 per cent) claim that they do not have a positive role model in their life. Those without
positive role models are significantly less happy with all areas of their life.
Key findings:
k More than two in five (42 per cent) suffer from self loathing, 45 per cent “regularly” feel
inferior to others, whilst almost a third (31 per cent) feel insecure “all” or “most” of the
time
k Young men without positive male role models are three times more likely than their
peers with male role models to lack a sense of belonging. They are also significantly
less likely to feel happy and confident than those with male role models. They are three
times more likely to feel down or depressed all of the time and significantly more
likely to admit they can’t remember the last time they felt proud. More than one in
three (36 per cent) say they lack a sense of identity

You read anything you want as being anti-gay- and then you lie about what the report says to make it so.

 

[Skylar]

I ignore any APA funded "study" on gay issues. Yes I do.

Or any University of Southern California Study. Or any American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy findings. Or any University of Melbourne Studies. Or any expert, from any source, using any method or sample size.....if it contradicts you.

But what relevance does your willful ignorance have to do with any ruling from the Supreme Court? They won't ignore any APA study. Nor anything else you must ignore to cling to your beliefs.

 

[dblack]

The main thing is, we need a centralized, coercive authority in charge of our personal lives.

 

[Skylar]

That study doesn't mention same gender parenting at all.

It mentions adult children self-reporting on their lives, 2,000+ of them, on how not having a adult of their gender as a daily role model has trashed their lives.

There's not a single mention of same sex parents or their effects on children in that entire study.

If you believe there is, quote the study. You'll find you've imagined it all.

If a boy grows up in a lesbian home, then the report is about him.

Show us the report saying this. Or making any mention of same sex parenting in any capacity.

You can't. You imagined it. And your imagination is quite irrelevant. The numerous studies that directly address the issue of same sex parenting and its effect on children are quite relevant. And they overwhelmingly contradict you.

The research was based on data from the Australian Study of Child Health in Same-Sex Families, which involved input from 315 same-sex parents and a total of 500 children. Of these participating families, 80 percent had female parents while 18 percent had male parents.

"It appears that same-sex parent families get along well and this has a positive impact on health," said Dr Simon Crouch from the Jack Brockhoff Child Health and Wellbeing Program, Centre for Health Equity at the University of Melbourne.

Children of same sex parents healthier Study

That's a study conducted overseas, including over 300 families and more than 500 children. And you ignore it completely. Why? Because it contradicts what you choose to believe.

Who cares? Your willful ignorance has zero effect on any USSC ruling, as you decide nothing.

Most research studies show that children with two moms or two dads fare just as well as children with heterosexual parents. In fact, one comprehensive study of children raised by lesbian mothers or gay fathers concluded that children raised by same-sex parents did not differ from other children in terms of emotional functioning, sexual orientation, stigmatization, gender role behavior, behavioral adjustment, gender identity, learning and grade point averages. Where research differences have been found, they have sometimes favored same-sex parents. For example, adolescents with same-sex parents reported feeling more connected at school. Another study reported that children in gay and lesbian households are more likely to talk about emotionally difficult topics, and they are often more resilient, compassionate and tolerant.

Same-sex Parents and Their Children

That from the 25,000 member American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy. And you ignore it completely because it contradicts you.

And again....

"The vast consensus of all the studies shows that children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every way," she tells WebMD. "In some ways children of same-sex parents actually may have advantages over other family structures.....

...."Some studies showed that single heterosexual parents' children have more difficulties than children who have parents of the same sex," Perrin says. "They did better in discipline, self-esteem, and had less psychosocial difficulties at home and at school."

Kids Of Same-Sex Parents Do Fine - CBS News

Experts on the topic, addressing study after study.....the overwhelming consensus of which contradicts you. So you ignore them too.

One area the researchers found no differences in was the mental health of children or their quality of relationship with parents. Children brought up by lesbians and gay men are well-adjusted, have good levels of self-esteem and are as likely to have high educational attainments as children raised in more traditional heterosexual families.

“Levels of anxiety, depression, self-esteem and other measures of social and psychological behaviors were generally similar,” Biblarz said. “While all children probably get teased for one thing or another, children with gay parents may experience a higher degree of teasing and ridicule. It is impressive then that their psychological well-being and social adjustment does not significantly differ, on average, from that of children in comparable heterosexual-parent families. Exploring how lesbian and gay parent families help children cope with stigma could prove helpful to all kinds of families.”

Sociology Study examines gender roles of children with gay parents USC News

This from a University of Southern California Study. And you'll ignore them as surely as you will the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy, as surely as you will the American Psychological Association, as surely as you will the University of Melborne.

Psychological adjustment of children raised lesbian and gay families is really no different than children in straight families. All the studies, no matter how people did the research found the same thing, which is that kids are not disadvantaged by being raised in lesbian and gay parent families. There might even be particular areas where they have strengths, it just depends on how you look at the research.

Interview with Lesbian and Gay Parenting Expert Dr. Abbie Goldberg

Why would I ignore Dr. Abbie Goldberg and instead believe you? There is no reason. Why would you ignore Dr. Abbie Goldberg and instead believe yourself? There's no reason there either.

 

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The main thing is, we need a centralized, coercive authority in charge of our personal lives.

No, see, that's just the thing. Th e state isn't interested in policing marriage; only incentivizing it. The state loses money on marriage so it darned well better be getting something in return. Historically, as well as now, the state gets the best formative envrironment for kids by setting the standard structure for marriage as "man/woman".

The Prince's Trust study tells us what we've known for generations, that people need a parent of their same gender to find the best sense of self-reflection and esteem. Kids of the same gender as their parent need the complimentary one to figure out how to relate to the opposite sex as an adult.

Without this vital structure in the formative environment, the Prince's Trust study (and plain common sense) tells us that we will be packing society with maladjusts who will wind up on our prison rolls, indigent or in mental wards. THAT is the payoff the state gains when it loses money on marriage in the form of tax breaks etc. And it pays for itself 1,000 times over to set the best formative environment for kids.

 

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The main thing is, we need a centralized, coercive authority in charge of our personal lives.

No, see, that's just the thing. Th e state isn't interested in policing marriage; only incentivizing it.

And if the State can allow for millions upon millions of exceptions to those incentives for straights.....they can do the same for gays.

Remember, no one is required to have children or be able to have them in order to get married?

Why then would we exclude gays from marriage based on a standard that doesn't exist and applies to no one? It simply makes no sense.

The Prince's Trust study tells us what we've known for generations, that people need a parent of their same gender to find the best sense of self-reflection and esteem. Kids of the same gender as their parent need the complimentary one to figure out how to relate to the opposite sex as an adult.

The Prince Trust Study doesn't make a single mention of the effects of same sex parenting on children. Not once. You've imagined it.

While there are a legion of studies that have directly addressed the issue affirmed that gay parents raise children that are just as healthy as those raised by hetero parents. You may be committed to ignoring every such study. But there's no reason a federal judge ever would.

Nor has. Not even the 6th Circuit ignored what you do.