Two major scandals coming out of Benghazi now... and counting

The questioning of it is over. You've been found severely lacking any integrity, hypocrite.

When you got nothing..insults are best.

Glad you are making use of them.

Because generally? Your arguments are like an angry old man ranting at the wind for blowing.

Full of sound and fury..signifying nothing.

Grats.

:clap:

I'm sorry you find the truth insulting, Shallow. But the truth is still the truth.

It's your truth.

And you are welcome to it.
 
Plenty.

Although..David Foy was not an ambassador...he was a diplomat.

Not like you'd care..

have you ever heard of "duck and dodge" or "obfuscate" ?? that is exactly what "Plenty" means.

you libertards just can not get your mind (?) off Bush, why is that ?

IF you can, please answer the above ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ question, with the intelligence you claim that should be easy..., RIGHT ??

Well you just "ducked and dodged" the deaths of Americans during the Bush administration. By the way, far more Americans were killed overseas as a result of Bush's actions. And..as a consolation prize for you folks..Thousands of Americans were killed on our shores due to Bush incompetence. Not like you care. In fact..you folks had a party over 9/11. It gave you a chance to celebrate an attack on a liberal town and kill people with a darker shade of skin.

But let's answer your question.

It's about established policy..right?

Our current President hasn't radically shifted away from policy.

Which is what you folks are trying to point out.

This thread is about Benghazi.

Seriously Sallow start your own thread. You're all over the map and completely off topic.
 
Alright, so leaving the hypocrite to continue trying to derail the thread because it apparently tugs at his last hair string of integrity, we should get back to discussing the OP.

CIA Gun-running, Qatar-Libya-Syria. | Global Research

A report from CNN’s Jake Tapper has reintroduced “Benghazi-Gate” to the US media spotlight. The report claims that “dozens” of CIA operatives were on the ground in Benghazi on the night of the attack, and the CIA is going to great lengths to suppress details of them and their whereabouts being released. The report alleges that the CIA is engaged in “unprecedented” attempts to stifle employee leaks, and “intimidation” to keep the secrets of Benghazi hidden, allegedly going as far as changing the names of CIA operatives and “dispersing” them around the country.

One suspects this has a single and defined purpose – to hide the CIA’s culpability in supplying arms to known extremists in Libya and Syria. Moreover, the CNN report alludes to the CIA supplying “surface-to-air missiles” from Benghazi to rebels in Syria, but this may only be the tip of the iceberg. The report goes on to state: (my emphasis)

Sources now tell CNN dozens of people working for the CIA were on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret. CNN has learned the CIA is involved in what one source calls an unprecedented attempt to keep the spy agency’s Benghazi secrets from ever leaking out.

Since January, some CIA operatives involved in the agency’s missions in Libya, have been subjected to frequent, even monthly polygraph examinations, according to a source with deep inside knowledge of the agency’s workings. The goal of the questioning, according to sources, is to find out if anyone is talking to the media or Congress. It is being described as pure intimidation, with the threat that any unauthorized CIA employee who leaks information could face the end of his or her career.

Speculation on Capitol Hill has included the possibility the U.S. agencies operating in Benghazi were secretly helping to move surface-to-air missiles out of Libya, through Turkey, and into the hands of Syrian rebels.
 
In a Fox News report from December 2012 an “International Cargo-Shipper” candidly revealed that arms shipments from Libya to Syria commenced “almost immediately after the fall of Muammar Qaddafi” (Oct 2011) and had continued on a weekly basis from multiple ports including Misrata and Benghazi. Some of the “sources” shipments were reported to be in excess of 600 tons. The report goes on to quote anonymous “sources” on the ground in Benghazi as alleging that: “Weapons and fighters were absolutely going to Syria, and the U.S. absolutely knew all about it – though most shipments have stopped since the attack on the American Consulate,”


CIA Gun-running, Qatar-Libya-Syria. | Global Research
 
have you ever heard of "duck and dodge" or "obfuscate" ?? that is exactly what "Plenty" means.

you libertards just can not get your mind (?) off Bush, why is that ?

IF you can, please answer the above ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ question, with the intelligence you claim that should be easy..., RIGHT ??

Well you just "ducked and dodged" the deaths of Americans during the Bush administration. By the way, far more Americans were killed overseas as a result of Bush's actions. And..as a consolation prize for you folks..Thousands of Americans were killed on our shores due to Bush incompetence. Not like you care. In fact..you folks had a party over 9/11. It gave you a chance to celebrate an attack on a liberal town and kill people with a darker shade of skin.

But let's answer your question.

It's about established policy..right?

Our current President hasn't radically shifted away from policy.

Which is what you folks are trying to point out.

This thread is about Benghazi.

Seriously Sallow start your own thread. You're all over the map and completely off topic.

Not all over the map at all.

You guys are getting all pissed about what?

The possibility of a spook op gone wrong?

And this has never happened before?

Well..it has.

It happened in Iran.
It happened in Afghanistan.
It happened in Iraq.
And it may have happened in Libya.

So?

What's your solution.

Be clear about it.
 
In a Fox News report from December 2012 an “International Cargo-Shipper” candidly revealed that arms shipments from Libya to Syria commenced “almost immediately after the fall of Muammar Qaddafi” (Oct 2011) and had continued on a weekly basis from multiple ports including Misrata and Benghazi. Some of the “sources” shipments were reported to be in excess of 600 tons. The report goes on to quote anonymous “sources” on the ground in Benghazi as alleging that: “Weapons and fighters were absolutely going to Syria, and the U.S. absolutely knew all about it – though most shipments have stopped since the attack on the American Consulate,”


CIA Gun-running, Qatar-Libya-Syria. | Global Research

Looks to me to be nothing but unsubstantiated speculation and circumstantial evidence at this point. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated further but IMHO it appears to be way too early to draw any conclusions based on the available evidence. :dunno:
 
It is highly plausible that Benghazi was indeed a CIA-run, arms “buy-back” program – with the further “possible” intent of forwarding those arms to Syria. As the State Department has confirmed, it allocated $40 million dollars for the purchase and “collection” of arms used during the conflict in Libya, including a “missing” stockpile of up to 20,000 MANPADS – which at least 15,000 are still unaccounted for. A report written by former US special forces operatives who served in Libya titled “Benghazi: the definitive report”, alleges that the “consulate” and weapons stockpile program was entirely run by John Brennan – Obama’s National Security Advisor at the time and now Director of the CIA – and outside the usual CIA chain of command with the sole purpose of “moving the stockpiled weapons to the another conflict – possibly Syria”. Furthermore, it should also be noted that several prominent US government figures (Clinton, Brennan, Patreaus, et al) were openly lobbying for that precise policy; this adds the possiblity that certain players within the government or the many factions of the Military Industrial Complex may have been acting outside of the Obama administrations specific consent – or building the logistics to fulfill such policy in the future. Thus, a possible explanation of the attack on the “consulate” – which we can now assume was a CIA operated arms cache – was the Obama administrations’ public reluctance to supply MANPADS or other specific heavy weaponry to the rebels fighting in Syria. Moreover, the authors of “Benghazi: the definitive report” claim that John Brennnan was targetting hardline Islamist militia in Libya via drone strikes and special operations, which may provide another pretext for the attack. Certain rebel factions, their regional donors, or their Libyan affiliates may have felt aggrieved and decided to act against the CIA and attempt to seize the weapons under their own volition.

CIA Gun-running, Qatar-Libya-Syria. | Global Research
 
In a Fox News report from December 2012 an “International Cargo-Shipper” candidly revealed that arms shipments from Libya to Syria commenced “almost immediately after the fall of Muammar Qaddafi” (Oct 2011) and had continued on a weekly basis from multiple ports including Misrata and Benghazi. Some of the “sources” shipments were reported to be in excess of 600 tons. The report goes on to quote anonymous “sources” on the ground in Benghazi as alleging that: “Weapons and fighters were absolutely going to Syria, and the U.S. absolutely knew all about it – though most shipments have stopped since the attack on the American Consulate,”


CIA Gun-running, Qatar-Libya-Syria. | Global Research

Looks to me to be nothing but unsubstantiated speculation and circumstantial evidence at this point. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated further but IMHO it appears to be way too early to draw any conclusions based on the available evidence. :dunno:

Of course it is. There is nothing else to do BUT speculate under the circumstances. But with enough accumulated circumstantial evidence, we can paint a pretty good picture of what went down.

I dont think we'll ever get the truth, as it probably involves criminal activity and culpability upon people who absolutely believe and work, as though above the law.
 

Looks to me to be nothing but unsubstantiated speculation and circumstantial evidence at this point. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated further but IMHO it appears to be way too early to draw any conclusions based on the available evidence. :dunno:

Of course it is. There is nothing else to do BUT speculate under the circumstances. But with enough accumulated circumstantial evidence, we can paint a pretty good picture of what went down.

I dont think we'll ever get the truth, as it probably involves criminal activity and culpability upon people who absolutely believe and work, as though above the law.

I don't believe there is any probably involved when discussing the criminality of this scenario if in fact it did occur, since it would indicate that the administration was arming foreigners without congressional approval ala Iran-Contra, so I would like to believe that there is a possibility that the truth will come out, if I had to put odds on it though I would give it an 80-20 against, the warhawks in the GOP certainly are going to oppose any serious investigation right alongside the Administration loyalists.

If we actually had a press in this country capable and interested in doing some actual objective investigative journalism it might be higher (where are Woodward and Bernstein when you need 'em?).
 
Deflection, back to your seat, Shallow. The short bus will be picking up Rderp, Corky and a few others shortly.

Yup. Isn't it grand how everytime something shows the Barry administration in a bad light, hell a fucking blackout, the libs mention Bush and Reagan.

Deflection on a grand scale.

Benghazi is Barrys fuck up. He and Hillary don't have the sense God gave a turnip.

Hell. The turnip has more and it has none.
 
I don't even care about the alleged gun running at this point. Can be dealt with later.

I think just the fact that the State Department admitted that all sorts of weapons including surface to air missles are missing is good enough to wonder "what the hell were they thinking?" when they turned over Libya to "unknown" rebels and leaving the military installations undefended.
 
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In any case..it's been pointed out time and time again, diplomatic outposts suffered the same sort of attacks during the Bush administration. None of them came under the same scrutiny this one has come under. (psssstt, no one was killed !! :up:)

how many ambassadors were killed in those "attacks" ??? hummmmm.., how many security personnel were killed ?????? hummmmmm.

you libertards just can not get your mind (?) off Bush, why is that ?

Plenty.

Although..David Foy was not an ambassador...he was a diplomat.

Not like you'd care..

You idiot. Foy was killed in his vehicle by a suicide bomber. A suicide bomber that no one had a warning about.

Thats a far cry from an attack on a consulate. An attack State had plenty of warning about. Warnings that caused others, the Brits and the Red Cross to pull out.

Hillary's State Department did nada, zip, nothing. Because of that four very good men died. Men that should never have died. They died because of the complete incompetence of Hillary's State Department.

If Bush had been POTUS for Benghazi you'd be the first asshole screaming about cover ups and demanding answers.
 
Deflection, back to your seat, Shallow. The short bus will be picking up Rderp, Corky and a few others shortly.

Yup. Isn't it grand how everytime something shows the Barry administration in a bad light, hell a fucking blackout, the libs mention Bush and Reagan.

Deflection on a grand scale.

Benghazi is Barrys fuck up. He and Hillary don't have the sense God gave a turnip.

Hell. The turnip has more and it has none.

And that becomes the problem with you folks.

Attacking the "people" and not the over all policy.

That's fine by me..really.

It assures we won't be seeing a Republican in the white house for at least 10 more years.
 
how many ambassadors were killed in those "attacks" ??? hummmmm.., how many security personnel were killed ?????? hummmmmm.

you libertards just can not get your mind (?) off Bush, why is that ?

Plenty.

Although..David Foy was not an ambassador...he was a diplomat.

Not like you'd care..

You idiot. Foy was killed in his vehicle by a suicide bomber. A suicide bomber that no one had a warning about.

Thats a far cry from an attack on a consulate. An attack State had plenty of warning about. Warnings that caused others, the Brits and the Red Cross to pull out.

Hillary's State Department did nada, zip, nothing. Because of that four very good men died. Men that should never have died. They died because of the complete incompetence of Hillary's State Department.

If Bush had been POTUS for Benghazi you'd be the first asshole screaming about cover ups and demanding answers.

Oh bullshit.

All of it.
 
I don't even care about the alleged gun running at this point.

I think just the fact that the State Department admitted that all sorts of weapons including surface to air missles is good enough to wonder "what the hell were they thinking?" when they turned over Libya to "unknown" rebels and leaving the military installations undefended.

They were thinking that these weapons could be moved to syria to aid the al qaeda rebels there. The problem is, that they turned the country over to al qaeda militants apparently in a premature fashion. Neglecting to secure these arms properly in the aftermath of the unconsitutional regime change in Libya.

It really does explain why the administration has made full court press to stifle, trip and derail any inquiry into the attack on the consulate, and attempt to marginalize it. From that link I posted, I think this is probably the most important piece to that speculation:

....As the State Department has confirmed, it allocated $40 million dollars for the purchase and “collection” of arms used during the conflict in Libya, including a “missing” stockpile of up to 20,000 MANPADS – which at least 15,000 are still unaccounted for. A report written by former US special forces operatives who served in Libya titled “Benghazi: the definitive report”, alleges that the “consulate” and weapons stockpile program was entirely run by John Brennan – Obama’s National Security Advisor at the time and now Director of the CIA – and outside the usual CIA chain of command with the sole purpose of “moving the stockpiled weapons to the another conflict – possibly Syria”. Furthermore, it should also be noted that several prominent US government figures (Clinton, Brennan, Patreaus, et al) were openly lobbying for that precise policy.....
 
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Don't feed the troll, paul. We've already shown he's a hypocrite ( and not very bright). At this point he'll just continue to try and derail the thread with subpar trolling tactics. Just ignore the hypocrite.
 
The real scandal is the disinformation campaign the Obama administration ran on the American people.

The other two are typical blatant mismanagement common to both neocons and democrats. Of course they're using mercenaries to run guns and kill "terrorists." That way, they can claim no American troops are involved. That's been going on at least since Reagan and the Sandinistas.

Congress has abdicated its duty to declare war and check the executive branch of the government.

What do you expect?
 
There is no Benghazi 'scandal' outside the rightwing cult, IOW, in normal America.

Fake scandals are an essential nutrient for the rightwing brain.
 
There is no Benghazi 'scandal' outside the rightwing cult, IOW, in normal America.

Fake scandals are an essential nutrient for the rightwing brain.

Is that why the Obama administration changed the talking points 12 times, then lied about their knowledge of the event. Now, we're discoverying that this was probably related to running arms from Libya to Syria?

That sort of "no scandal'?

:eusa_boohoo:
 

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