Turkish PM clears way for Iraq assault

[Gunny]

Yes, onedomino. We have reached point-of-no-return today.
In 4 years whole relations has been destroyed.
And of course you can suplly Greece, Iraq and Georgia with weapons. Maybe they will also help you in supplying Iraq war machinery when tomorrow (time distance betwen USA and Turkey) power mechanism in Turkey will asses situation. It is night here.

When Turkey shuts land and airspace for USA in Iraq, USA is in major shit.
Maybe Syria and Iran will open up their land for USA supplies.
It is just the beginning. We are in a phase of historic dimensions.
Next steps by Turkey will change direction of the region and will be a heavy blow to USA interests in the region.
---- steps of Turkish war machinery into North-Iraq
---- blocking USA supplies over Turkey
---- closeing down Incirlik
---- and maybe as the only muslim country contributeing in Afghanistan withdraw from there

You will see where this will all lead to in Intelligence shareing, Energy politics, containing Russia and Iran etc.
A Turkish nearing to SCO seems unavoidable, stretching SCO from Southeast-Europe to Chinese Pacific.

It is not us who wants to impose its interests 10.000 KM away from homeland. East-Mediteranean, Black-Sea, Caucasus, Mid-East, Central-Asia is our Hinterland.
We can make here as absolute Pivotal Power things very costly for USA which tries to impose its interests in this Hinterland, masked as GOP. Beginning from Energy, Security, Socio-Economic things by only Secular Democracy in Muslim World entering in "de-facto" cold war with Superpower.

Searching new alliances also is neccessity out of this. And here you are right with Russia and the phrase "Black Sea"-Brothers.
That's all i have to say. You can, if you like, still concentrate on F-16's. Maybe you want also to talk about economic sanctions, as if we would give a shit about with bilateral trade volumes of 10-12 billion dollars.


Above is theory.
Practice is, once Turkey closes Incirlik and supplies for US army into Iraq and Turkey enters Iraq and makes serious steps in damageing USA interests, USA will come on its knees and knock on Turkish door. The assumption is, that USA can make everything what it wants against Turkey without Turkey makeing countermoves.
Totally wrong.
Your politicians will make for not seeing what this kind of politics will have effects to USA interests.

LMFAO. The US is going to come on its knees to some two-by-twice wannabe country that we had to defend for 40 years?

What are you? The Propaganda Minister for Turkey? You sure like to spread the fertilizer wide and thick ....

Go on an dmarch your arrogant asses into Iraq, numbnuts. Would serve your ass right if we didn't bother kicking your ass but just let you have Iraq.

 

[ekrem]

USA has 2 cards against Turkey. One is "Armenian bill" which it today played and the other is PKK and PJAK which it instrumetalizes against Turkey and Iran.

That last card we will sent into nirvana by Turkish Army. What else cards has USA then left? Direct military confrontation? Come on....
In that case Turkish Army and Iranian Army will shake hands in Bagdad after finishing off US presence in Mid-East.

Turkey has many cards to play. None card still played.
9 card is stopping Turkish role as meditator in Jihadist-Western conflict. Delivering acknowledgement, that Musim world can not coexist with West.
10 card is annexing Kirkuk and Mosul.
Queen Card is stopping Alliance with Israel as only Muslim country with strategic relations in all spheres.
King Card is makeing de-facto alliance with Iran against USA interests in region
Ace card is replaceing USA as strategic partner with Russian SCO and
multiply Russian influence in Caucasus, Turkic Central Asia, Black Sea and East Meditarenean and thereby make Energy Monopol with Russia against west:

You can piant youself ino that map the quadrate of Istanbul, Moscow, Vladiwostok, Hong Kong. Quadrate of SCO.

 

[Annie]

But, they did NOT ask, 'Mother may I' to the UN? Right Canavar? There is no INTERNATIONALISM in this action, right?

 

[ekrem]

But, they did NOT ask, 'Mother may I' to the UN? Right Canavar? There is no INTERNATIONALISM in this action, right?

Read UN charta Article 51. It is about self-defence.
Turkish action into Iraq is legitimated by UN charta of self-defence and by many UN SC reolutions regarding Terrorists and their logistic-; weapon rearming support from countries.

Some of them are Resolutions 1373, 1618, 1617. All related to terrorists and self-defence.

 

[ekrem]

Further resolutions are 1269, 1368 etc. etc.

Turkish invasion of Iraq is legitimate to clean terrorists by UN Charta and UNSC reolutions. We even can call NATO article 5.

Staying in Iraq permanent and anexation after cleansing of terrorists would be against international law. But who gives a fuck, once 200.000 Turkish soldiers are in North-Iraq and facts are made on ground?
Analog to North-Cyprus...
Once facts have been made Realpolitics come into play. Meaning noone can make anything against Turkey acting in its Hinterland, once war machinery rolls.

 

[onedomino]

When Turkey shuts land and airspace for USA in Iraq, USA is in major shit. Maybe Syria and Iran will open up their land for USA supplies.
It is just the beginning. We are in a phase of historic dimensions.
Next steps by Turkey will change direction of the region and will be a heavy blow to USA interests in the region

The American effort in Iraq will fail without a Turk air base and truck routes? You are jesting right? America has more than 300 C5A and C17 aircraft and a naval base at Basrah. Iraq cannot be supplied with those assets? Turkey has already changed course with its new relationships with terror states such as Iran and Syria. Think the Kurds will be a push over? Think again. They have been at war for 20+ years. Invade northern Iraq and get ready for some very serious hard ball. Do not for a minute think that the combat will not blow back into Turkey.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If they do minor cross boreder raids I am sure the US will stay out of it. If they invade in force and try to hold ground or take major cities they will get their asses handed to them by the US military. And I suspect the Europeans will be easily convinced to accept sanctions against them.

It is telling that the ONLY country that has stood up for them on the European Union issue is being villified by them.

 

[Gunny]

USA has 2 cards against Turkey. One is "Armenian bill" which it today played and the other is PKK and PJAK which it instrumetalizes against Turkey and Iran.

That last card we will sent into nirvana by Turkish Army. What else cards has USA then left? Direct military confrontation? Come on....
In that case Turkish Army and Iranian Army will shake hands in Bagdad after finishing off US presence in Mid-East.

Turkey has many cards to play. None card still played.
9 card is stopping Turkish role as meditator in Jihadist-Western conflict. Delivering acknowledgement, that Musim world can not coexist with West.
10 card is annexing Kirkuk and Mosul.
Queen Card is stopping Alliance with Israel as only Muslim country with strategic relations in all spheres.
King Card is makeing de-facto alliance with Iran against USA interests in region
Ace card is replaceing USA as strategic partner with Russian SCO and
multiply Russian influence in Caucasus, Turkic Central Asia, Black Sea and East Meditarenean and thereby make Energy Monopol with Russia against west:

You can piant youself ino that map the quadrate of Istanbul, Moscow, Vladiwostok, Hong Kong. Quadrate of SCO.

Hate to point this out to you MR Goebbels, but I think idiots like you tried that shit in WWI. didn't you? Now look at your "empire."

You want to unite a politically divided nation? Go right-the-fuck ahead and have that punkass army of yours attack US forces. We'll just finish what got started in 1918 ... dividing up what's left of the Ottoman Empire.

 

[ekrem]

If they do minor cross boreder raids I am sure the US will stay out of it. If they invade in force and try to hold ground or take major cities they will get their asses handed to them by the US military. And I suspect the Europeans will be easily convinced to accept sanctions against them.

It is telling that the ONLY country that has stood up for them on the European Union issue is being villified by them.

Turkey has an rising foreign trade of two percent digit numbers. It is actually by 260 Billion dollars.

Imports make about 150 Billion$. 100 Billion is from Europe. Y E A R L Y.
Million jobs. Only USA would make sanctions. As bilateral trade between USA-Turkey is peanuts.

EU can make shit without harming itself massively in economis, energy supplies and confronting Turkey in Balkans and East-Mediteranean.
Realpolitics.
You really think USA will make never-seen before war since World-War 2 against Turkey for Kurds.
We are not "Middle Ages"-Afghanistan, "Oil for Food"-Iraq or "Jugle-Viatnamese".
We have second largest standing force in NATO, all in NATO-standard representing in Top-10 Firepower in the world.

 

[DeadCanDance]

this dude has to be a troll.

 

[Gunny]

this dude has to be a troll.

Believe it or not, he's been on here for a couple of years. He's the Joseph Goebbels of the new Ottoman Empire. He's actually brainwashed himself into thinking Turkey can take out the US.

Now if you want to call someone who truly is a warmonger one, now's your chance.

 

[ekrem]

Believe it or not, he's been on here for a couple of years. He's the Joseph Goebbels of the new Ottoman Empire. He's actually brainwashed himself into thinking Turkey can take out the US.

Now if you want to call someone who truly is a warmonger one, now's your chance.

USA can even not take on Iran with its conventional Missiles. No airforce, no navy.
Turkey is different calibre, in real war makeing US deaths in first hours your population will whine never to have put a foot in this area.

 

[DeadCanDance]

Believe it or not, he's been on here for a couple of years. He's the Joseph Goebbels of the new Ottoman Empire. He's actually brainwashed himself into thinking Turkey can take out the US.

Now if you want to call someone who truly is a warmonger one, now's your chance.

You're taking this poster too seriously. Its a spoof or a troll, without a doubt.

 

[onedomino]

You're taking this poster too seriously. Its a spoof or a troll, without a doubt.

No he is not. And he does reflect a significant percentage of Turk public opinion. Do some research on this topic. Read how America is depicted in the Turk media. More than 80 percent of Turks have a negative opinion of America, the highest percentage in the world. Check out past canavar threads.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/524/global-unease-with-major-world-powers-and-leaders

 

[ekrem]

You're taking this poster too seriously. Its a spoof or a troll, without a doubt.

Enough said:

If our General Staff wants paralell annex Musul vilayet whilst Turkish War Machinery passed the boarder, noone can do anything against.

 

[DeadCanDance]

No he is not. And he does reflect a significant percentage of Turk public opinion. Do some research on this topic. Read how America is depicted in the Turk media. More than 85 percent of Turks have a negative opinion of America, the highest percentage in the world. Check out past canavar threads.

LOL

O-tay!

Hate to break it to you guy...you've been talking to someone for two years who's been pulling your chain. Its entirely obvious to the moderately well educated and worldly person, that this poster is spoofing a crazy Turk. I've seen this kind of spoof on message boards many times.

But, I gotta give him props for playing you guys and fooling you for two years

 

[Gunny]

USA can even not take on Iran with its conventional Missiles. No airforce, no navy.
Turkey is different calibre, in real war makeing US deaths in first hours your population will whine never to have put a foot in this area.

Dude, you think you got it all figured out, do you? I guarantee you that if Turkey attacked the US, all you'd hear from THIS country is "How far to Istanbul?"

Your arrogance and lack of sound reasoning will have you hiding butt-in-the-air in a bomb shelter. Different calibre? Pffft ... heard that shit about Iraq. One third world shithole is the same as the other. And it would take the US Armed Forces about as long to roll up your "different callibre" as it did the vaunted Republican Guard.

Get a clue.

 

[DeadCanDance]

Enough said:

If our General Staff wants paralell annex Musul vilayet whilst Turkish War Machinery passed the boarder, noone can do anything against.

LOL

You're good!


carry on

 

[onedomino]

LOL

O-tay!

Hate to break it to you guy...you've been talking to someone for two years who's been pulling your chain. Its entirely obvious to the moderately well educated and worldly person, that this poster is spoofing a crazy Turk. I've seen this kind of spoof on message boards many times.

But, I gotta give him props for playing you guys and fooling you for two years

Absolutely false. You do not know what you are talking about. Canavar has been here for more than two years (since August 2005) and was sane, if not moderate, until recently. Do some research. Read his threads from the past. He is no troll.

 

[Gunny]

LOL

O-tay!

Hate to break it to you guy...you've been talking to someone for two years who's been pulling your chain. Its entirely obvious to the moderately well educated and worldly person, that this poster is spoofing a crazy Turk. I've seen this kind of spoof on message boards many times.

But, I gotta give him props for playing you guys and fooling you for two years

If you've got something to spill, spill it. All I see is an allegation. Seems to me if he's trying to play a crazy Turk, he's doing pretty damned good cuz He's definitely