TNHarleys solution to the immigration problem

[dblack]

1. MASSIVELY fine employers
2. Mandatory e-verify for jobs and living quarters
3. They get nothing. Not schooling, drivers licenses, healthcare (even turn them down at the ER. Sometimes actual solutions are harsh) they get NOTHING
4. Make becoming a citizen easier. The current system is a bunch of bullshit. They make it seem like we don't want any immigration..
The economy you ask? The jobs?
After that gets implemented, create a work requirement for welfare(obviously not all cases). Then we fill those jobs "Americans don't want" AND we cut welfare. 2 birds 1 stone.
If they don't want to work em', then fuck em'. They obviously don't have much self-respect or respect for their families. I would do whatever I had to do to feed my family. But that is just me.

Different ideas? I am willing to actually compromise

I'm on board but I see no reason to make becoming a citizen easier. We already have enough people on the doles without making that fishing line heavier.
And as far as I'm concerned if you are found to have knowingly hired an illegal you lose your business license

Fair enough. But I wouldn't want people coming here that are worthless in the first place.

Be careful with that. They might decide to make such a policy retroactive.

 

[TNHarley]

How frustrating to find out that you can't really control people like you'd hoped.

what do you mean?

 

[dblack]

How frustrating to find out that you can't really control people like you'd hoped.

what do you mean?

Build the wall. You'll find out.

 

[TNHarley]

How frustrating to find out that you can't really control people like you'd hoped.

what do you mean?

Build the wall. You'll find out.

Yes, because my OP mentioned that..

 

[dblack]

How frustrating to find out that you can't really control people like you'd hoped.

what do you mean?

Build the wall. You'll find out.

Yes, because my OP mentioned that..

It was a figurative comment. The point is, authoritarians long for the ability to control everyone, but they can't. Make up all the rules you want, bash heads till the cows come home, and people will still defy your mandates.

 

[TNHarley]

How frustrating to find out that you can't really control people like you'd hoped.

what do you mean?

Build the wall. You'll find out.

Yes, because my OP mentioned that..

It was a figurative comment. The point is, authoritarians long for the ability to control everyone, but they can't. Make up all the rules you want, bash heads till the cows come home, and people will still defy your mandates.

Having a Nation is authoritarian? Lol
Why would people deny "my mandates" if they cant even get ER treatment here? Splain that

 

[dblack]

How frustrating to find out that you can't really control people like you'd hoped.

what do you mean?

Build the wall. You'll find out.

Yes, because my OP mentioned that..

It was a figurative comment. The point is, authoritarians long for the ability to control everyone, but they can't. Make up all the rules you want, bash heads till the cows come home, and people will still defy your mandates.

Having a Nation is authoritarian?

The mandates proposed by your OP were authoritarian. Believe it or not, we can have a nation with a totalitarian government.

 

[Onyx]

1. MASSIVELY fine employers
2. Mandatory e-verify for jobs and living quarters
3. They get nothing. Not schooling, drivers licenses, healthcare (even turn them down at the ER. Sometimes actual solutions are harsh) they get NOTHING
4. Make becoming a citizen easier. The current system is a bunch of bullshit. They make it seem like we don't want any immigration..
The economy you ask? The jobs?
After that gets implemented, create a work requirement for welfare(obviously not all cases). Then we fill those jobs "Americans don't want" AND we cut welfare. 2 birds 1 stone.
If they don't want to work em', then fuck em'. They obviously don't have much self-respect or respect for their families. I would do whatever I had to do to feed my family. But that is just me.

Different ideas? I am willing to actually compromise

Get rid of illegal immigration and all forms of government assistance.

Anything else is socialist bullshit.

 

[Onyx]

The mandates proposed by your OP were authoritarian. Believe it or not, we can have a nation with a totalitarian government.

Inverted totalitarian mind you!

 

[TNHarley]

what do you mean?

Build the wall. You'll find out.

Yes, because my OP mentioned that..

It was a figurative comment. The point is, authoritarians long for the ability to control everyone, but they can't. Make up all the rules you want, bash heads till the cows come home, and people will still defy your mandates.

Having a Nation is authoritarian?

The mandates proposed by your OP were authoritarian. Believe it or not, we can have a nation with a totalitarian government.

Forcing employers to abide by the law(procv and not getting free shit is authoritarian? So is making able bodied welfare recipients work? I don't get your logic here.

 

[TNHarley]

1. MASSIVELY fine employers
2. Mandatory e-verify for jobs and living quarters
3. They get nothing. Not schooling, drivers licenses, healthcare (even turn them down at the ER. Sometimes actual solutions are harsh) they get NOTHING
4. Make becoming a citizen easier. The current system is a bunch of bullshit. They make it seem like we don't want any immigration..
The economy you ask? The jobs?
After that gets implemented, create a work requirement for welfare(obviously not all cases). Then we fill those jobs "Americans don't want" AND we cut welfare. 2 birds 1 stone.
If they don't want to work em', then fuck em'. They obviously don't have much self-respect or respect for their families. I would do whatever I had to do to feed my family. But that is just me.

Different ideas? I am willing to actually compromise

Get rid of illegal immigration and all forms of government assistance.

Anything else is socialist bullshit.

Yes, I would love for millions of americans to starve or freeze to death. And open borders? Sounds like HEAVEN!

 

[dblack]

Build the wall. You'll find out.

Yes, because my OP mentioned that..

It was a figurative comment. The point is, authoritarians long for the ability to control everyone, but they can't. Make up all the rules you want, bash heads till the cows come home, and people will still defy your mandates.

Having a Nation is authoritarian?

The mandates proposed by your OP were authoritarian. Believe it or not, we can have a nation with a totalitarian government.

Forcing employers to abide by the law(procv and not getting free shit is authoritarian? So is making able bodied welfare recipients work? I don't get your logic here.

I know.

 

[Onyx]

Yes, I would love for millions of americans to starve or freeze to death.

Humans only starve when states deprive them of food. Humans only freeze when states deprive them of shelter.

You believe the answer to state degradation is more institutionalized force?

And open borders? Sounds like HEAVEN!

I agree. A competitive labor market sounds like heaven.

 

[TNHarley]

Yes, because my OP mentioned that..

It was a figurative comment. The point is, authoritarians long for the ability to control everyone, but they can't. Make up all the rules you want, bash heads till the cows come home, and people will still defy your mandates.

Having a Nation is authoritarian?

The mandates proposed by your OP were authoritarian. Believe it or not, we can have a nation with a totalitarian government.

Forcing employers to abide by the law(procv and not getting free shit is authoritarian? So is making able bodied welfare recipients work? I don't get your logic here.

I know.

lol ok. This is why libertarians cant get any decent seats. They are

 

[TNHarley]

ugh anarchy is just not plausible anymore. Not at the state some people want..
How many 95 year old women can go fucking deer hunting?

 

[Onyx]

lol ok. This is why libertarians cant get any decent seats. They are

I believe dblack is an anarcho-communist, or at very least a libertarian socialist.

No modern LP represents the interests of real libertarians, and for anarchists to support an LP would be ludicrous.

 

[Onyx]

ugh anarchy is just not plausible anymore.

Statism has never been plausible dipshit.

It is the ultimate source of death and economic collapse.

Not at the state some people want..

There are no levels of anarchy. You are either living in a society without rulers of you are not living in a society without rulers.

Anarchism has already been proved in the modern era (not sure why the modern era would make freedom any less plausible anyhow).

How many 95 year old women can go fucking deer hunting?

What does deer hunting have to do with anarchy? Pretty sure a 95 year old woman can get in her car and drive to a market.

Or were you one of those idiots that has invented a distorted fantasy about how anarchy means the total collapse of all civil cooperation and economic trade?

 

[TNHarley]

ugh anarchy is just not plausible anymore.

Statism has never been plausible dipshit.

It is the ultimate source of death and economic collapse.

Not at the state some people want..

How many 95 year old women can go fucking deer hunting?

What does deer hunting have to do with anarchy? Pretty sure a 95 year old woman can get in her car and drive to a market.

Or were you one of those idiots that has invented a distorted fantasy about how anarchy means the total collapse of all civil cooperation and economic trade?

Having a Nation isnt statism, dipshit. You are just too extreme on this shit to have a decent convo. Its like talking race relations to a 1950s KKK member.

 

[Onyx]

Having a Nation isnt statism, dipshit.

No, it isn't, nor did I even make reference to nations.

A nation is a socially constructed collective identity encompassing a group of people that have a shared history, race, ethnicity, language, ect.

You are just too extreme on this shit to have a decent convo

What's extreme is the ideology of statism, which has killed tens of billions of human beings and has caused tens of thousands of economic recessions.

Its like talking race relations to a 1950s KKK member.

Likewise, statists ( the greatest bunch of stupid fucks in existence) are impossible to talk with. They are just useful idiots through and through.

I do it anyways, in the hopes that one of you braindead tools will understand the savagery and stupidity of your beliefs.

 

[TNHarley]

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