Zone1 Is there really a job shortage? Or are employers the problem?

[JoeB131]

‘Man I just want a dishwasher job’: Why are Olive Garden and FedEx forcing job applicants to endure a strange personality test that turns them into blue avatars?

Employers complain of a worker shortage, but would-be hires see a long and arduous screening process.

finance.yahoo.com

Personality quizzes to be a dishwasher at olive garden or work at walmart? Why?

The quizzes tell you there is no wrong answer, but obviously there is a wrong answer. Why else would you have this long pointless personality quiz if there is no wrong answer?

Seems getting hired for menial jobs is being more and more complicated and taking longer. And then you throw in dumbshit things like diversity and equity makes things even harder because you might find the right candidate but they are white and diversity demands they not be white so you have to keep searching.

I remember many years ago I had a 50 question personality test that questions like "would you stay over to finish an important job" and a bunch of really odd confusing ones. But the job was just above menial work. But at my current job where I have heaps of responsibility and make 3.5x the amount of money all they did was interview me once and all I had to do was demonstrate I had actual knowledge and show I wasn't a flake.

So I can't help but wonder if there is really a job shortage or if employers are setting up too many roadblocks, being too picky and letting stuff like diversity get in the way.

I mean there is definitely a percent of the work force not working because they have been trained to think they need skilled labor wages for non skilled labor positions, that they only want to work from home, expect to have like unlimited mental health days and so on that have basically made them lazy and believe they deserve everything for nothing.

Actually, my rule is to never take a job that requires a personality test.

Jobs that pay actual money don't require them. they require resumes and interviews.

the reason the menial jobs require them is they are trying to avoid the kind of bottom feeder who is going to start a fight with a customer or spit in a cop's food.

 

[JoeB131]

You are exactly correct. I know from lots of personal experience. Nevertheless, I've planted a seed. It will come as no surprise to the slacker when I pull the questionnaire from their file and remind them of what I expect from them (not that that will make a difference either). America's work ethics (like her moral standards) are all but completely dead.

I see the opposite situation. Employers don't value or have any loyalty to their employees.

What finally cured me of Republican Bullshit was in 2008, a company I worked at for 6 years screwed me over when they lost their biggest account. Didn't matter I had worked on some of their biggest projects. Didn't matter that I had more seniority than anyone in the office. Nope, they had to reduce headcount, and the people who had been there for years were making more money than the people they just hired.

 

[JoeB131]

The tests asks the same question in multiple variations.
Trying to fool the test generally only shows that you're trying to fool the test.
And
Results in a quick exit from the process.

Sort of like trying to fool
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I had a company give me a Rorschach test once. Because I had already decided I really didn't want to work there, I had a little bit of fun with the HR person, using the grossest and most disgusting descriptions for the blots. "Someone getting his head blown off!"

 

[rampart]

Personality quizzes to be a dishwasher at olive garden or work at walmart? Why?

The quizzes tell you there is no wrong answer, but obviously there is a wrong answer. Why else would you have this long pointless personality quiz if there is no wrong answer?

Seems getting hired for menial jobs is being more and more complicated and taking longer. And then you throw in dumbshit things like diversity and equity makes things even harder because you might find the right candidate but they are white and diversity demands they not be white so you have to keep searching.

I remember many years ago I had a 50 question personality test that questions like "would you stay over to finish an important job" and a bunch of really odd confusing ones. But the job was just above menial work. But at my current job where I have heaps of responsibility and make 3.5x the amount of money all they did was interview me once and all I had to do was demonstrate I had actual knowledge and show I wasn't a flake.

So I can't help but wonder if there is really a job shortage or if employers are setting up too many roadblocks, being too picky and letting stuff like diversity get in the way.

I mean there is definitely a percent of the work force not working because they have been trained to think they need skilled labor wages for non skilled labor positions, that they only want to work from home, expect to have like unlimited mental health days and so on that have basically made them lazy and believe they deserve everything for nothing.

the entire hiring process in america is insane. 3rd interviews, personality tests, drug screening.

at age 72, every job offer i had after the military came as a phone call from my "network," my old friends and bosses.

the problem with that is i seem to have outlived my network.

To me 3 days notice that one is quitting is more than enough. Why should one work 2 weeks longer for less when they could be earning more during those 2 weeks. Job hopping is now the trend and it's not really a bad thing. When one person quits its easy to find another.

2 weeks is traditional. i'd want it from an employee, with the option to tell him "why wait?"

 

[initforme]

Loyalty has been purposefully phased out by big business who have zero regard for the welfare of their employees. They have it way too easy finding good workers.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Loyalty has been purposefully phased out by big business who have zero regard for the welfare of their employees. They have it way too easy finding good workers.

/---/ Back in the 1980s, I was a sales rep for Procter & Gamble. Loyalty was foremost with them. Then I moved to Johnson & Johnson as a pharma rep. The rule was, if you were not in management by 35, you were out the door, regardless of your tenure. P&G followed suit around 1993, and disbanded the nationwide sales force in exchange of brokers. They save tons of money, on salary, expenses, from-line managers, company cars, and benefits., but lost market share in doing so.

 

[Blaster]

I had a good discussion with our company recruiter and he told me that almost 80% of the people he interviewed were more interested in salary and vacation time than the job requirement.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I had a good discussion with our company recruiter and he told me that almost 80% of the people he interviewed were more interested in salary and vacation time than the job requirement.

/---/ My friend's wife is in HR, and usually salary and PTO are the first things that come out of the recruit's mouth, followed by, "Tell me about your company. What is it you do?"

 

[JoeB131]

I had a good discussion with our company recruiter and he told me that almost 80% of the people he interviewed were more interested in salary and vacation time than the job requirement.

As they should be.

 

[initforme]

/---/ My friend's wife is in HR, and usually salary and PTO are the first things that come out of the recruit's mouth, followed by, "Tell me about your company. What is it you do?"

Seems perfectly normal.

 

[Moonglow]

‘Man I just want a dishwasher job’: Why are Olive Garden and FedEx forcing job applicants to endure a strange personality test that turns them into blue avatars?

Employers complain of a worker shortage, but would-be hires see a long and arduous screening process.

finance.yahoo.com

Personality quizzes to be a dishwasher at olive garden or work at walmart? Why?

The quizzes tell you there is no wrong answer, but obviously there is a wrong answer. Why else would you have this long pointless personality quiz if there is no wrong answer?

Seems getting hired for menial jobs is being more and more complicated and taking longer. And then you throw in dumbshit things like diversity and equity makes things even harder because you might find the right candidate but they are white and diversity demands they not be white so you have to keep searching.

I remember many years ago I had a 50 question personality test that questions like "would you stay over to finish an important job" and a bunch of really odd confusing ones. But the job was just above menial work. But at my current job where I have heaps of responsibility and make 3.5x the amount of money all they did was interview me once and all I had to do was demonstrate I had actual knowledge and show I wasn't a flake.

So I can't help but wonder if there is really a job shortage or if employers are setting up too many roadblocks, being too picky and letting stuff like diversity get in the way.

I mean there is definitely a percent of the work force not working because they have been trained to think they need skilled labor wages for non skilled labor positions, that they only want to work from home, expect to have like unlimited mental health days and so on that have basically made them lazy and believe they deserve everything for nothing.

Get a trade.

 

[Moonglow]

Loyalty has been purposefully phased out by big business who have zero regard for the welfare of their employees. They have it way too easy finding good workers.

That is why I work for smaller companies.

 

[JoeB131]

That is why I work for smaller companies.

Not me. I found in my career, the smaller the company, the less professional they tend to be, especially if run by a family instead of stockholders.

 

[Moonglow]

Not me. I found in my career, the smaller the company, the less professional they tend to be, especially if run by a family instead of stockholders.

But I enjoy telling drunk customers to go fuck themselves and getting into fist fights.

 

[beagle9]

Here's a list of questions I created for potential employees. To be honest ... I don't give two hoots what a person's background or experience is as long as they can answer the following questions honestly and accurately. Hint: Most of the "men" I've hired don't have a clue how to operate in a basic work environment!!!

Questions For Potential Employees:

1) You’re walking through the warehouse and you see some trash on the floor. What do you do?
You step over the top of it or kick it to the side and let someone else pick it up.
You throw some more trash on the floor to give it company.
You pick it up and throw it in a trashcan or dumpster.

2) You need to use a wrench so you take one from the work bench. What do you do with it when you’re done?
You leave it on the floor and let someone else retrieve it and put it away.
You hide it where nobody can find it.
You return it to the exact spot where you got it from.

3) There are deliveries to be made. What do you do?
You automatically load up the truck and make the deliveries.
You sit in a chair playing with your cell phone until someone tells you to make the deliveries.
You call the customer and tell them to come get their own crap.

4) It’s been windy outside and the warehouse has a lot of dust and leaves in it. What’s the best course of action?
You walk on the leaves until they, too, turn to dust.
You get a broom and you sweep the floor.
You scoop up some dirt from outside and throw it on the floor and plant some corn.

5) You use the bathroom and leave the toilet and/or sink a bit dirty. What do you do?
You leave the mess for someone else to clean up.
You take a picture of your mess and share it on TikTok.
You clean up after yourself so the next person doesn’t have to.

6) As a potential (company name) employee, what best describes you?
I only do the bare minimum and never go the extra mile because I’m nobody’s slave child.
I like to sit on my tail until someone tells me what to do.
I’m a team player and help others whenever I can. I look for ways to be a valuable asset to the company and my coworkers.

7) You just made a delivery and the fuel tank is very low. What do you do?
Continue driving until the tank runs out.
Drive back to the shop and leave an empty tank for the next guy.
Be courteous and fill the tank in preparation for the next trip.

8) You use the forklift to remove a pallet from a delivery van. What do you do with it?
You bring the pallet into the warehouse and set it in an area that won’t block foot traffic.
You leave it outside for someone else to deal with.
You set in in front of a store display or a highly trafficked aisle.

9) You’re at a customer location and he wants to order some things. What do you do?
You tell him how much you hate taking orders and you flip him “the bird.”
You ask him if you can borrow a pen and paper and then ask him to write it down.
You pull out YOUR pen and YOUR paper and you politely take his order.

Of course they'll answer all questions according to what you think they should, but here's the kicker - Once they infiltrate your work environment after lying their aces off, then you unfortunately will find out in a very expensive way how you ended up with a deceiving demon that had none of the attributes you were in search of in your inquiry once hiring him or her.

Without further evaluations conducted that include prior job information (where the previous employer is called up in the investigative inquiry, and at least 5 name's of personal acquaintances are to be contacted), then just welcome one of the highest risk employees to your operation ever encountered possibly. You good with that ?

 

[Libby von H]

‘Man I just want a dishwasher job’: Why are Olive Garden and FedEx forcing job applicants to endure a strange personality test that turns them into blue avatars?

Employers complain of a worker shortage, but would-be hires see a long and arduous screening process.

finance.yahoo.com

Personality quizzes to be a dishwasher at olive garden or work at walmart? Why?

The quizzes tell you there is no wrong answer, but obviously there is a wrong answer. Why else would you have this long pointless personality quiz if there is no wrong answer?

Seems getting hired for menial jobs is being more and more complicated and taking longer. And then you throw in dumbshit things like diversity and equity makes things even harder because you might find the right candidate but they are white and diversity demands they not be white so you have to keep searching.

I remember many years ago I had a 50 question personality test that questions like "would you stay over to finish an important job" and a bunch of really odd confusing ones. But the job was just above menial work. But at my current job where I have heaps of responsibility and make 3.5x the amount of money all they did was interview me once and all I had to do was demonstrate I had actual knowledge and show I wasn't a flake.

So I can't help but wonder if there is really a job shortage or if employers are setting up too many roadblocks, being too picky and letting stuff like diversity get in the way.

I mean there is definitely a percent of the work force not working because they have been trained to think they need skilled labor wages for non skilled labor positions, that they only want to work from home, expect to have like unlimited mental health days and so on that have basically made them lazy and believe they deserve everything for nothing.

Biden never mentions (at least I never heard it and I am assiduos in these matters)
1) almost 8 million have just up and left the workforce
2) the great increase in jobs is folks holding down 2 jobs --- yes 2
"The latest jobs report from the US Department of Labor showed nearly 8.4 million people had multiple jobs in October."



Biden is the problem as he is also in the housing market. This is the man who subsidized production of EV's ,subsidized the buying and then tried to force out competitors. you know this. So your scepticism puzzles me

 

[Cellblock2429]

Biden never mentions (at least I never heard it and I am assiduos in these matters)
1) almost 8 million have just up and left the workforce
2) the great increase in jobs is folks holding down 2 jobs --- yes 2
"The latest jobs report from the US Department of Labor showed nearly 8.4 million people had multiple jobs in October."



Biden is the problem as he is also in the housing market. This is the man who subsidized production of EV's ,subsidized the buying and then tried to force out competitors. you know this. So your scepticism puzzles me

/----/ Dementia Joe also ignores Tesla, who launched the EV market, proving it could be done, because it's a NON UNION shop. And the UAW owns Dementia Joe's poopy pants azz.

 

[initforme]

There is no labor shortage. There's a huge surplus of great workers. The problem is employers do a poor job of attracting them.

 

[Cellblock2429]

There is no labor shortage. There's a huge surplus of great workers. The problem is employers do a poor job of attracting them.

/----/ A great article on Forbes on this topic. There is a paywall, but you get the first four articles for free.

What The Generations Want From Work: New Data Offers Surprises

Generations have long been a way to understand people and what they want—from their work and for their lives. But new data offers surprising perspectives on what matters most—and what doesn't.

www.forbes.com

Choice and Control​

Perhaps one of the most defining characteristics of work experiences today is the debate about flexible and remote working. In the LiveCareer study, all the generations reported they expect flexibility in working options, with 76% of Millennials, 69% of Gen Z and 64% of Gen X expressing this expectation.

In addition, when respondents were asked about the benefits which were most important, 38% of Millennials, 33% of Gen X and 32% of Gen Z identified flexible working benefits as most important. The Oyster study found “flexible working options” was the second-most important priority for all age groups, and “the ability to work from anywhere” was third.

 

[JoeB131]

Biden never mentions (at least I never heard it and I am assiduos in these matters)
1) almost 8 million have just up and left the workforce
2) the great increase in jobs is folks holding down 2 jobs --- yes 2
"The latest jobs report from the US Department of Labor showed nearly 8.4 million people had multiple jobs in October."

This isn't something new. I've been working two jobs since 2010. There was a brief period I was working three trying to dig my way out of the debt I was left in when Bush-43 crashed the economy.

On the other hand, a lot of people working menial jobs and then paying the babysitter more than they were making realized they enjoyed staying home more and working less. Can't say this is entirely a bad thing.

Biden is the problem as he is also in the housing market. This is the man who subsidized production of EV's ,subsidized the buying and then tried to force out competitors. you know this. So your scepticism puzzles me

Housing has been a problem for a long time. EV's are the future.