The Politics of Pregnancy.

[PoliticalChic]

The United States has highest rate of infant mortality and the highest rate of maternal death in the First World. These are living breathing babies, and women, who are loved and wanted, and who die because of lack of resources for these very real people who are suffering. Why are you posting thread after thread decrying the deaths of babies who never were, while being stone cold silent on the very real deaths of these cherished children and their mother?

They are human beings, and you wish to excuse their execution....in fact, encourage it.

Do you prefer 'good day,' or would you rather stick to the more appropriate Sieg Heil?

You can stamp your little foot and scream till the cows come home but these are not human beings these are developing fetus. You keep trying to humanize the previable pregnancy in an effort to make terminating the pregnancy seem evil. It’s not.

What is the evil is what happens to women and jurisdictions where abortion has been banned. As the old chat goes “campaign life your name’s a lie, you don’t care if women die”.

When you start caring about maternal death and infant mortality rates, I’ll start believing you give a shit about babies. Until you’re just some lying bitch who is trying to use the abortion debate to achieve government control of women’s lives.

And in the meantime Trump is still killing children on the border.

"...these are developing fetus."



We stick to the English language here.

A fetus is a human being.

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary

 

[Moonglow]

Yet the child can't survive out of the womb until labor is triggered and then the child has to be taken care of to survive. You people are trying to claim there is no need for support during development..

Non-sequitur

Guess you have never heard of a cesarean section.
Children can survive outside the womb without traditional labor and many do.

And likewise, if you were left isolated without the ability or knowledge to feed yourself you would die too.
You're not that different from the unborn child given the same conditions.

No one is making false claims except you.

As you said there is an exception to every rule, cut all the children out so they can have an earlier birthday. Can we make the kids go to work like they used to so they can support themselves when they reach five?

 

[dblack]

Yet the child can't survive out of the womb until labor is triggered and then the child has to be taken care of to survive. You people are trying to claim there is no need for support during development..

They're trying to stake out a woman's womb as state property. Big government authoritarians.

 

[Moonglow]

Yet the child can't survive out of the womb until labor is triggered and then the child has to be taken care of to survive. You people are trying to claim there is no need for support during development..

They're trying to stake out a woman's womb as state property. Big government authoritarians.

It's the same shit the church pulled for hundreds of years and I for one don't like their noses in my business anymore than the govt. or the neighbors down the street...

 

[dblack]

A fetus is a human being.

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary

Orwell would be proud of you.

A fetus is not separate entity. Not a "baby". Not a person with rights. That's the little stunt you people are trying to slide in - you're trying to change the definition of person to include unborn fetuses.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A fetus is a human being.

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary

Orwell would be proud of you.

A fetus is not separate entity. Not a "baby". Not a person with rights. That's the little stunt you people are trying to slide in - you're trying to change the definition of person to include unborn fetuses.

Is it a human being?

Of course it is.

Are you an American?

Let's check:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Thomas Jefferson.


That is a basic and fundamental American view.


Your side:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky






Our nation was founded on the premise that each individual has the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But they don’t become rights by virtue of birth…we are endowed with these rights by our Creator, at the moment of creation.
This is a political argument: the form of the Creator invoked by the Founders is irrelevant to the debate. Morality is not a consideration here, so there is no mention of contraception as being right or wrong; one’s use of contraceptives does not infringe on anyone else’s rights.


The fact is that our nation, at its very founding, acknowledged that, by virtue of being created, of being conceived, the unborn child, has a right to live. It is not a right that is alienable….even by the child’s mother.

 

[dblack]

A fetus is a human being.

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary

Orwell would be proud of you.

A fetus is not separate entity. Not a "baby". Not a person with rights. That's the little stunt you people are trying to slide in - you're trying to change the definition of person to include unborn fetuses.

Is it a human being?

Try to focus. That's not the question. The question is whether a fetus is a person will legal rights.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A fetus is a human being.

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary

Orwell would be proud of you.

A fetus is not separate entity. Not a "baby". Not a person with rights. That's the little stunt you people are trying to slide in - you're trying to change the definition of person to include unborn fetuses.

Is it a human being?

Try to focus. That's not the question. The question is whether a fetus is a person will legal rights.

The issue is whether the entity in question is a human being.
And, of course, it is.
So saith science.


You demand the 'right' to slay a defenseless, innocent human being.

That makes you a savage demanding our society function via the law of the jungle.

Quite a step back in societal evolution.

 

[dblack]

A fetus is a human being.

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary

Orwell would be proud of you.

A fetus is not separate entity. Not a "baby". Not a person with rights. That's the little stunt you people are trying to slide in - you're trying to change the definition of person to include unborn fetuses.

Is it a human being?

Try to focus. That's not the question. The question is whether a fetus is a person will legal rights.

The issue is whether the entity in question is a human being.

Nope. Your word games are irrelevant. What matters is how the law sees things. If government tries to lay claim to our insides, I'm gonna fight it. Tooth and nail. My bowels are none of your fucking business.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A fetus is a human being.

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary

Orwell would be proud of you.

A fetus is not separate entity. Not a "baby". Not a person with rights. That's the little stunt you people are trying to slide in - you're trying to change the definition of person to include unborn fetuses.

Is it a human being?

Try to focus. That's not the question. The question is whether a fetus is a person will legal rights.

The issue is whether the entity in question is a human being.

Nope. Your word games are irrelevant. What matters is how the law sees things. If government tries to lay claim to our insides, I'm gonna fight it. Tooth and nail. My bowels are none of your fucking business.

The vulgarity gives away that you know you've lost the argument.

That makes you evil.

It's neither your insides, nor the prospective mother.


I'm sure you know that the separate, unique, distinct human being that the mother is temporarily nourishing isn't 'her body.'



And....the reason for the slaughter is no more than convenience.



The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.”

Nearly every abortion is based on convenience.....Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of consideration in deciding to execute the child you've created.



In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries


b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.”
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf



["A study published in Guttmacher's International Family Planning Perspectives in 1998 said risk to a woman's health was the main reason for 2.8% of U.S. abortions in 1987-88."]

c. We must reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.



Being evil, you don't have the ability to alter your view of the murder.....but readers of both our posts may be able to.

 

[dblack]

Orwell would be proud of you.

A fetus is not separate entity. Not a "baby". Not a person with rights. That's the little stunt you people are trying to slide in - you're trying to change the definition of person to include unborn fetuses.

Is it a human being?

Try to focus. That's not the question. The question is whether a fetus is a person will legal rights.

The issue is whether the entity in question is a human being.

Nope. Your word games are irrelevant. What matters is how the law sees things. If government tries to lay claim to our insides, I'm gonna fight it. Tooth and nail. My bowels are none of your fucking business.

The vulgarity gives away that you know you've lost the argument.

That makes you evil.

Good for you! It's so much easier to approach politics if you just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is evil.

Thing is, you stupid fascists don't get to pretend - EVER AGAIN - that you support libertarian values. That mask has come off.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is it a human being?

Try to focus. That's not the question. The question is whether a fetus is a person will legal rights.

The issue is whether the entity in question is a human being.

Nope. Your word games are irrelevant. What matters is how the law sees things. If government tries to lay claim to our insides, I'm gonna fight it. Tooth and nail. My bowels are none of your fucking business.

The vulgarity gives away that you know you've lost the argument.

That makes you evil.

Good for you! It's so much easier to approach politics if you just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is evil.

Thing is, you stupid fascists don't get to pretend - EVER AGAIN - that you support libertarian values. That mask has come off.

1. Fascists were Leftists, like you. Conservatives, the Founders, the Right do not believe in the sorts of things you Liberals, Democrats, Fascists, Nazis, Progressives, Socialists and Communists do.
We believe in the sanctity of human life.

Did you know that the Democrat godfather, FDR, took Mussolini's Fascist economic plan, called it the New Deal, and imposed it on America?
Sooo....who is the Fascist?



2. Of course you are evil....you endorse the slaughter of defenseless, innocent human beings.
Glad the term hurts.


3. This is what conservatives support: individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

 

[dblack]

Fascists were Leftists, like you.

I'm not a leftist. But Trumpsters are fascists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Fascists were Leftists, like you.

I'm not a leftist. But Trumpsters are fascists.

I believe the previous post proved you don't know what Fascist means.

Now we've proven you a liar, as well.

 

[dblack]

Fascists were Leftists, like you.

I'm not a leftist. But Trumpsters are fascists.

I believe the previous post proved you don't know what Fascist means.

Now we've proven you a liar, as well.

How so? What do you think I'm lying about?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Fascists were Leftists, like you.

I'm not a leftist. But Trumpsters are fascists.

I believe the previous post proved you don't know what Fascist means.

Now we've proven you a liar, as well.

How so? What do you think I'm lying about?

You lied in denying that you aren't simply a cookie-cutter run-of-the-mill Leftist.



Aside from myriad of individual issues, political beliefs are binary: one or the other.


a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



Hence, you are a Leftist.


And, you lied in denying same.

 

[dblack]

Fascists were Leftists, like you.

I'm not a leftist. But Trumpsters are fascists.

I believe the previous post proved you don't know what Fascist means.

Now we've proven you a liar, as well.

How so? What do you think I'm lying about?

You lied in denying that you aren't simply a cookie-cutter run-of-the-mill Leftist.

Prove it. Find posts of my that support "leftist" views. You seem to be going with the simplistic assumption that anyone opposed to Trumpsters is a "leftist". Grow up.

Aside from myriad of individual issues, political beliefs are binary: one or the other.


a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



Hence, you are a Leftist.


And, you lied in denying same.

Hence, you need to pull your head out of your ass. Prove your claims or STFU.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yet the child can't survive out of the womb until labor is triggered and then the child has to be taken care of to survive. You people are trying to claim there is no need for support during development..

Sorry, which "you people" did you hallucinate making that claim?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Fascists were Leftists, like you.

I'm not a leftist. But Trumpsters are fascists.

I believe the previous post proved you don't know what Fascist means.

Now we've proven you a liar, as well.

How so? What do you think I'm lying about?

You lied in denying that you aren't simply a cookie-cutter run-of-the-mill Leftist.

Prove it. Find posts of my that support "leftist" views. You seem to be going with the simplistic assumption that anyone opposed to Trumpsters is a "leftist". Grow up.

Aside from myriad of individual issues, political beliefs are binary: one or the other.


a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



Hence, you are a Leftist.


And, you lied in denying same.

Hence, you need to pull your head out of your ass. Prove your claims or STFU.

Vulgarity again.
You see how this is going, huh?


Watch how simple this is:

Which do you support, a or b?

Who did you vote for in 2016?

 

[dblack]

I'm not a leftist. But Trumpsters are fascists.

I believe the previous post proved you don't know what Fascist means.

Now we've proven you a liar, as well.

How so? What do you think I'm lying about?

You lied in denying that you aren't simply a cookie-cutter run-of-the-mill Leftist.

Prove it. Find posts of my that support "leftist" views. You seem to be going with the simplistic assumption that anyone opposed to Trumpsters is a "leftist". Grow up.

Aside from myriad of individual issues, political beliefs are binary: one or the other.


a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



Hence, you are a Leftist.


And, you lied in denying same.

Hence, you need to pull your head out of your ass. Prove your claims or STFU.

Vulgarity again.
You see how this is going, huh?


Watch how simple this is:

Which do you support, a or b?

a.

Trumpsters do not.

Who did you vote for in 2016?

Johnson

Are you done?