The Politics of Pregnancy.

[PoliticalChic]

9. Is it possible the forces of evil can be held back to a 3 or 4 weeks limit on abortions?

Can politicians be convinced that babies can survive out of the womb at 20 or 21 weeks?




“…this has been interpreted to be after 21 weeks of pregnancy. Since a fetus cannot survive before this point and abortion is illegal after, Democrats claim born-alive legislation is wholly unnecessary.

Only a fetus can survive before this point.

In 2014, San Antonio native Courtney Stensrud was 21 weeks and four days pregnant when she gave birth to a baby girl whose “skin was so thin, it was nearly see-through” and whose breathing was so faint it was barely detectable. USA Today reported: "In these situations, doctors don’t recommend resuscitation. But, when Stensrud looked at [her neonatologist Kaashif] Ahmad through tears and asked him to try, Ahmad did.

"'If you’d like us to try, I’m willing to try,' Ahmad said.

"When doctors placed a breathing tube into her airway, the baby that was once blue turned pink."

She is now a healthy preschooler."
https://townhall.com/columnists/danodonnell/2019/05/15/why-wisconsin-gov-evers-born-alive-v eto-pledge-is-wrong-n2546380





Or......what if survivabilty outside of the womb is not the criteria???

What if one of several other milestones is the choice?




Democrats/Liberals might be denied the aim of their blood-lust.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Or......what if survivabilty outside of the womb is not the criteria???

What if one of several other milestones is the choice?





10. Should we consider how the baby feels when it is put to death? There is evidence that it feels pain….should Liberals have any empathy???

“The old, uninformed notions that unborn and newborn babies could not feel pain are refuted by a growing body of scientific evidence. The published scientific literatureshows that unborn babies can experience pain at 20 weeks gestational age (20 weeks LMP, since Last Menstrual Period, the fetal age estimate used by most obstetricians) or earlier.

• Embryological development shows presence of pain sensory mechanisms and neurophysiology. The basic anatomical organization of the human nervous system is established by 6 weeks .[1] The earliest neurons in the cortical brain (the part responsible for thinking, memory, and other higher functions) are established starting at 6 weeks .[2] Nerve synapses for spinal reflex are in place by 10 weeks .[3]Sensory receptors for pain (nociception) develop first around the mouth at 7 weeks , and are present throughout the skin and mucosal surfaces by 20 weeks .[4]Connections between the spinal cord and the thalamus (which functions in pain perception in fetuses as well as in adults[5]) are relatively complete by 20 weeks .[6]

• In contradiction of the claim that the brain cortex is necessary to experience pain and suffering, decordate individuals as well as animals lacking higher cortical structures obviously do feel pain. In fact, the human brain cortex does not fully mature until approximately 25 years of age, yet infants, children, and teenagers obviously can experience pain.[7]
• Fetal reactions provide evidence of pain response. The unborn baby reacts to noxious stimuli with avoidance reactions and stress responses. As early as 8 weeks the baby exhibits reflex movement during invasive procedures.[8] There is extensive evidence of a hormonal stress response by unborn babies as early as 18 weeks [9]including “increases in cortisol, beta-endorphin, and decreases in the pulsatility index of the fetal middle cerebral artery.”[10] Two independent studies in 2006 used brain scans of the sensory part of unborn babies’ brains, showing response to pain.[11] They found a “clear cortical response” and concluded there was “the potential for both higher-level pain processing and pain-induced plasticity in the human brain from a very early age.”

Fact Sheet: Science of Fetal Pain | Charlotte Lozier Institute





What happened to that vaunted 'empathy' that Liberals claim????


Or....is is spelled h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y?

 

[william the wie]

Empathy in this case means using any tactic to enable the Appratchiks to grind their boots into the face of humanity for all time

 

[PoliticalChic]

As the ability of medical technology advances, and babies can live at earlier ages, the age of survivability goes down.




11. “Babies are surviving and thriving at ever younger pre-term ages when given appropriate care and treatment

• Survival of extremely preterm infants has increased significantly as doctors realize the advantages of active care for such young patients. The ages of survival have dropped from 28 weeks to 24 weeks and now less than 22 weeks.[25]

• Groundbreaking New England Journal of Medicine study demonstrated that babies delivered as young as 22 weeks can survive, and active intervention for treatment greatly improves their survival.[26]

• An NIH-funded study of infants who were delivered at 22-24 weeks and who received active treatment observed increasing rates of survival without any neurological impairment. Yet, three-fourths of those delivered at 22 weeks still received no active care.[27]

• 60% of infants born at 22 weeks who receive active hospital treatment will survive.[28]"

Fact Sheet: Science of Fetal Pain | Charlotte Lozier Institute





Democrats may have to demand the right to kill actual adults…..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Empathy in this case means using any tactic to enable the Appratchiks to grind their boots into the face of humanity for all time

We beat 'em in the Civil War, defeated them in Berlin, and watched Reagan demand they tear down that wall.....


.....yet we have to defeat them in every generation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"...Alabama passed the country’s most restrictive abortion law. It bans abortion in all cases, including incest and rape, except if the mother’s life is in danger. Although the woman would not be penalised, the doctor’s role becomes a criminal offence, with a maximum penalty of 99 years in jail.


This is the latest in a wave of anti-abortion laws passed by state legislatures. Earlier this month Georgia passed a “heartbeat bill”, making abortion illegal once the foetal heartbeat is detected. This effectively pushes back the time limit for an abortion to six weeks – when many women are still unaware that they are pregnant. Ohio and Mississippi have passed similar laws.



The heart of this bill is to confront a decision that was made by the courts in 1973 that said the baby in the womb is not a person," says Alabama Representative Terri Collins, the sponsor of the bill. "This bill addresses that one issue. Is that baby in the womb a person? I believe our law says it is. I believe our people say it is. And I believe technology shows it is."
BioEdge: Alabama passes most restrictive abortion law in US

 

[Moonglow]

As the ability of medical technology advances, and babies can live at earlier ages, the age of survivability goes down.




11. “Babies are surviving and thriving at ever younger pre-term ages when given appropriate care and treatment

• Survival of extremely preterm infants has increased significantly as doctors realize the advantages of active care for such young patients. The ages of survival have dropped from 28 weeks to 24 weeks and now less than 22 weeks.[25]

• Groundbreaking New England Journal of Medicine study demonstrated that babies delivered as young as 22 weeks can survive, and active intervention for treatment greatly improves their survival.[26]

• An NIH-funded study of infants who were delivered at 22-24 weeks and who received active treatment observed increasing rates of survival without any neurological impairment. Yet, three-fourths of those delivered at 22 weeks still received no active care.[27]

• 60% of infants born at 22 weeks who receive active hospital treatment will survive.[28]"

Fact Sheet: Science of Fetal Pain | Charlotte Lozier Institute





Democrats may have to demand the right to kill actual adults…..

Snide, yet you left out that post birth deaths of babies is rising in the US...

 

[dblack]

Yet the child can't survive out of the womb until labor is triggered and then the child has to be taken care of to survive. You people are trying to claim there is no need for support during development..

They trying to claim state sovereignty over the contents of your body. Fuck them.

 

[Moonglow]

Yet the child can't survive out of the womb until labor is triggered and then the child has to be taken care of to survive. You people are trying to claim there is no need for support during development..

They trying to claim state sovereignty over the contents of your body. Fuck them.

Yes, these are the same people who support a drug war for slave labor in private prison manufacturing industry.

 

[Hale]

The definition of "viability" is a fallacious fabrication. A new born baby cannot survive without support.

 

[william the wie]

"...Alabama passed the country’s most restrictive abortion law. It bans abortion in all cases, including incest and rape, except if the mother’s life is in danger. Although the woman would not be penalised, the doctor’s role becomes a criminal offence, with a maximum penalty of 99 years in jail.


This is the latest in a wave of anti-abortion laws passed by state legislatures. Earlier this month Georgia passed a “heartbeat bill”, making abortion illegal once the foetal heartbeat is detected. This effectively pushes back the time limit for an abortion to six weeks – when many women are still unaware that they are pregnant. Ohio and Mississippi have passed similar laws.



The heart of this bill is to confront a decision that was made by the courts in 1973 that said the baby in the womb is not a person," says Alabama Representative Terri Collins, the sponsor of the bill. "This bill addresses that one issue. Is that baby in the womb a person? I believe our law says it is. I believe our people say it is. And I believe technology shows it is."
BioEdge: Alabama passes most restrictive abortion law in US

I would suspect this is a "keep the Demoniac idiots the hell out of Bama" law more than it is an anti-abortion law. AL does not want to go the PC way of GA, TN, NC and the FL panhandle. And AL has a slew of such laws, most noticeably its income tax code that will outrage pretty much all lefties. I think this is due to the Huntsville NAZIs the state got stuck with after WW II. The assassination of the state AG elect in 1952 also made AL quite anti-DC

 

[denmark]

1.A perennial mistake that folks make is awarding an undeserved objectivity, trustworthiness and/or ability to make decisions for the entire public. Nowhere is this more evident that that awarded to politicians, economists, bureaucrats, and weathermen. But awarding same to those nominally known as ‘scientists’ is surely a close second. Biases, preferences, politics and credit card debt all enter ‘scientist’s’ claims as do they any average citizen.

If all of the above named functionaries were as honest and reputable as claimed, abortion would not even be an issue: it would not be an option.




2.For context, it is a tenet of faith for every Liberal/Democrat/Progressive, that women have the right to exterminate the unique, separate, living human being that, under their own auspices, now absorbs nourishment in said woman’s body.

And, as we have learned in recent weeks, Democrat controlled legislative bodies have determined that not only is said murder a ‘right,’ but should the baby actually be born, it can be set aside and be allowed, if they so consider, to pass away.




Savages cheered when the New York State government passed such a bill into law.

And another savage: “‘It was the best decision I have ever made’: Actress Jameela Jamil defends her abortion, criticizes bans”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...es-bans/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e72235056612


And more: “Oprah Winfrey Promotes “Shout Your Abortion” Movement Where Women Brag About Their Abortions”
Oprah Winfrey Promotes “Shout Your Abortion” Movement Where Women Brag About Their Abortions | LifeNews.com




3. The questions that surround the issue are largely political, rather than scientific. Is it a living thing that is to be made non-living? Of course. "Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]

Is it a human being? I will no doubt be a Homo sapiens…if you keep your hands off.

Is it part of the woman’s body? Nay….it has entirely different DNA, fingerprints, and, often, a different gender.



Let’s get to the law…..

Next.

You clearly do not understand science.
The only “politics” here is the government should allow its CITIZENS to have LIBERTY.
Both liberals and conservatives should agree with USA’s founding premise.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1.A perennial mistake that folks make is awarding an undeserved objectivity, trustworthiness and/or ability to make decisions for the entire public. Nowhere is this more evident that that awarded to politicians, economists, bureaucrats, and weathermen. But awarding same to those nominally known as ‘scientists’ is surely a close second. Biases, preferences, politics and credit card debt all enter ‘scientist’s’ claims as do they any average citizen.

If all of the above named functionaries were as honest and reputable as claimed, abortion would not even be an issue: it would not be an option.




2.For context, it is a tenet of faith for every Liberal/Democrat/Progressive, that women have the right to exterminate the unique, separate, living human being that, under their own auspices, now absorbs nourishment in said woman’s body.

And, as we have learned in recent weeks, Democrat controlled legislative bodies have determined that not only is said murder a ‘right,’ but should the baby actually be born, it can be set aside and be allowed, if they so consider, to pass away.




Savages cheered when the New York State government passed such a bill into law.

And another savage: “‘It was the best decision I have ever made’: Actress Jameela Jamil defends her abortion, criticizes bans”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...es-bans/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e72235056612


And more: “Oprah Winfrey Promotes “Shout Your Abortion” Movement Where Women Brag About Their Abortions”
Oprah Winfrey Promotes “Shout Your Abortion” Movement Where Women Brag About Their Abortions | LifeNews.com




3. The questions that surround the issue are largely political, rather than scientific. Is it a living thing that is to be made non-living? Of course. "Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]

Is it a human being? I will no doubt be a Homo sapiens…if you keep your hands off.

Is it part of the woman’s body? Nay….it has entirely different DNA, fingerprints, and, often, a different gender.



Let’s get to the law…..

Next.

You clearly do not understand science.
The only “politics” here is the government should allow its CITIZENS to have LIBERTY.
Both liberals and conservatives should agree with USA’s founding premise.

Let's see which of us understands science: is the fetus a part of the woman's body?


Take your time.

 

[dblack]

The only “politics” here is the government should allow its CITIZENS to have LIBERTY.
Both liberals and conservatives should agree with USA’s founding premise.

If modern liberals and conservatives agree on anything, it's that liberty has no place in modern government. Both parties see government as a tool to shape society.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The only “politics” here is the government should allow its CITIZENS to have LIBERTY.
Both liberals and conservatives should agree with USA’s founding premise.

If modern liberals and conservatives agree on anything, it's that liberty has no place in modern government. Both parties see government as a tool to shape society.

Interesting.

Clearly true of Liberals.....but I'd like links to the same for conservatives.

Unless you're arguing against things like laws against murder.....

 

[basquebromance]

"As most people know, and for those who would like to know, I am strongly Pro-Life, with the three exceptions - Rape, Incest and protecting the Life of the mother - the same position taken by Ronald Reagan. We have come very far in the last two years with 105 wonderful new federal Judges (many more to come), two great new Supreme Court Justices, the Mexico City Policy, and a whole new & positive attitude about the Right to Life. The Radical Left, with late term abortion (and worse), is imploding on this issue. We must stick together and Win for Life in 2020. If we are foolish and do not stay UNITED as one, all of our hard fought gains for Life can, and will, rapidly disappear!" - Trump

 

[dblack]

The only “politics” here is the government should allow its CITIZENS to have LIBERTY.
Both liberals and conservatives should agree with USA’s founding premise.

If modern liberals and conservatives agree on anything, it's that liberty has no place in modern government. Both parties see government as a tool to shape society.

Interesting.

Clearly true of Liberals.....but I'd like links to the same for conservatives.

This thread for starters. But I don't expect you to admit it. You're all filled with self-righteous zeal. That's got to feel good after wading through Trump's sewer for the last two years.

 

[denmark]

1.A perennial mistake that folks make is awarding an undeserved objectivity, trustworthiness and/or ability to make decisions for the entire public. Nowhere is this more evident that that awarded to politicians, economists, bureaucrats, and weathermen. But awarding same to those nominally known as ‘scientists’ is surely a close second. Biases, preferences, politics and credit card debt all enter ‘scientist’s’ claims as do they any average citizen.

If all of the above named functionaries were as honest and reputable as claimed, abortion would not even be an issue: it would not be an option.




2.For context, it is a tenet of faith for every Liberal/Democrat/Progressive, that women have the right to exterminate the unique, separate, living human being that, under their own auspices, now absorbs nourishment in said woman’s body.

And, as we have learned in recent weeks, Democrat controlled legislative bodies have determined that not only is said murder a ‘right,’ but should the baby actually be born, it can be set aside and be allowed, if they so consider, to pass away.




Savages cheered when the New York State government passed such a bill into law.

And another savage: “‘It was the best decision I have ever made’: Actress Jameela Jamil defends her abortion, criticizes bans”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...es-bans/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e72235056612


And more: “Oprah Winfrey Promotes “Shout Your Abortion” Movement Where Women Brag About Their Abortions”
Oprah Winfrey Promotes “Shout Your Abortion” Movement Where Women Brag About Their Abortions | LifeNews.com




3. The questions that surround the issue are largely political, rather than scientific. Is it a living thing that is to be made non-living? Of course. "Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]

Is it a human being? I will no doubt be a Homo sapiens…if you keep your hands off.

Is it part of the woman’s body? Nay….it has entirely different DNA, fingerprints, and, often, a different gender.



Let’s get to the law…..

Next.

You clearly do not understand science.
The only “politics” here is the government should allow its CITIZENS to have LIBERTY.
Both liberals and conservatives should agree with USA’s founding premise.

Let's see which of us understands science: is the fetus a part of the woman's body?


Take your time.

Yes, a fetus is a part of the womans’s body, and so are unused eggs, and so are bacteria.

Take your time with “science”.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"As most people know, and for those who would like to know, I am strongly Pro-Life, with the three exceptions - Rape, Incest and protecting the Life of the mother - the same position taken by Ronald Reagan. We have come very far in the last two years with 105 wonderful new federal Judges (many more to come), two great new Supreme Court Justices, the Mexico City Policy, and a whole new & positive attitude about the Right to Life. The Radical Left, with late term abortion (and worse), is imploding on this issue. We must stick together and Win for Life in 2020. If we are foolish and do not stay UNITED as one, all of our hard fought gains for Life can, and will, rapidly disappear!" - Trump

" I am strongly Pro-Life, with the three exceptions - Rape, Incest and protecting the Life of the mother -- the same position taken by Ronald Reagan."


Don't forget, Reagan's doctrine was "if I can get 70 or 80 percent of what it is I'm trying to get ... I'll take that and then continue to try to get the rest in the future."


Makes sense, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The only “politics” here is the government should allow its CITIZENS to have LIBERTY.
Both liberals and conservatives should agree with USA’s founding premise.

If modern liberals and conservatives agree on anything, it's that liberty has no place in modern government. Both parties see government as a tool to shape society.

Interesting.

Clearly true of Liberals.....but I'd like links to the same for conservatives.

This thread for starters. But I don't expect you to admit it. You're all filled with self-righteous zeal. That's got to feel good after wading through Trump's sewer for the last two years.

You can't specify how conservatives are for banning and mandating, as Liberals are?

Of course you can't.



Like this:

Democrat "Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life, pro-gun conservatives 'have no place' in New York"
Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life, pro-gun conservatives ‘have no place’ in New York