The issue of the land

[Wolverine1984]

The continuity of the Palestinian roots in the land in fact goes back to antiquity.<== Have any proof ? Absorbing or outlasting various conquerors, Palestinians tenaciously tended their ancestral farmlands, whether as freeholders or as tenants and mortgagees, and by the end of World War 11, mostly as unfettered freeholders again. In his study of the history of landholdings in Palestine, Abraham Granott, formerly Managing Director of the Jewish National Fund, admits:

When the kingdom of Byzantium was subjugated by the Arabs, practically the whole of the land belonged to the big proprietors, the Emperor, the municipal authorities, and religious bodies, as churches and so on, while the soil was cultivated by the former owners who had remained on their plots as tenants after the land had passed into the hands of large owners.(1)

Thus the Palestinian farmers expelled by the Zionists in 1948 were the lineal descendants of the most ancient owners of the land. The Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines and of all the Semitic peoples who have lived in Palestine since the time of the Canaanites. Successive waves of newcomers, such as Philistines from Crete, Semites from Iraq, Romans, Greeks and Arabs came and intermarried with the native stock.

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

Are you serious ?
Your source is "http://www.palestine-encyclopedia.com/" ???
Well I'm sure they will be objective and tell the truth only...

It's a big fat lie , there are a number of posts around here dealing with this issue , and this claim was proven wrong.

Of course it has not been proven wrong. You misquoted my quote. You took a piece out of context.

The Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines and of all the Semitic peoples who have lived in Palestine since the time of the Canaanites. Successive waves of newcomers, such as Philistines from Crete, Semites from Iraq, Romans, Greeks and Arabs came and intermarried with the native stock.

In order for the Palestinians to not be descendents of all these different people you would have to believe that whenever a territory falls under new rule the entire old population moves out and an entire new population moves in. Of course this does not happen.

The vast majority of the people living in mandate Palestine were direct descendents of people who predated the Ottoman Empire. Hundreds of years of Ottoman rule made an insignificant change in Palestine's population.

You probably would not find a pure Canaanite or Philistine but you would be hard pressed to find a Palestinian who does not have any lineage back to the beginning of time.

Where are the genetic studies that proves "Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines" ?
Because that is the basis of your claim , you are claiming that Palestinians were in Palestine in biblical times even before the Israelites ...
Where is your proof of that ?
You talk about the Ottoman empire , who started out at 1299 and claim that because Arab Palestinians where there at 1299AD they were there also at 1000 BC , that's hardly proof.

 

[aris2chat]

Syria claims palesting, jordan, lebanon and parts of turkey and iraq.
Iraq claimed kuwait.
Saudi wanted to claim all of the middle east.
Iraq, syria and jordan were created for the Royals from Mecca, the Husseins.
Syria as we know it was five separate states.
Transjordan was the arab half of British mandate to palestine.
The middle east was all an artificial creation, and only a few areas like Lebanon had ever had autonomy. It had existed as part of the arab/muslim/ottoman empires for over a thousand years.
Britain and France were given the mandate to break up the ottoman empire into smaller states.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you serious ?
Your source is "http://www.palestine-encyclopedia.com/" ???
Well I'm sure they will be objective and tell the truth only...

It's a big fat lie , there are a number of posts around here dealing with this issue , and this claim was proven wrong.

Of course it has not been proven wrong. You misquoted my quote. You took a piece out of context.

The Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines and of all the Semitic peoples who have lived in Palestine since the time of the Canaanites. Successive waves of newcomers, such as Philistines from Crete, Semites from Iraq, Romans, Greeks and Arabs came and intermarried with the native stock.

In order for the Palestinians to not be descendents of all these different people you would have to believe that whenever a territory falls under new rule the entire old population moves out and an entire new population moves in. Of course this does not happen.

The vast majority of the people living in mandate Palestine were direct descendents of people who predated the Ottoman Empire. Hundreds of years of Ottoman rule made an insignificant change in Palestine's population.

You probably would not find a pure Canaanite or Philistine but you would be hard pressed to find a Palestinian who does not have any lineage back to the beginning of time.

Where are the genetic studies that proves "Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines" ?
Because that is the basis of your claim , you are claiming that Palestinians were in Palestine in biblical times even before the Israelites ...
Where is your proof of that ?
You talk about the Ottoman empire , who started out at 1299 and claim that because Arab Palestinians where there at 1299AD they were there also at 1000 BC , that's hardly proof.

Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis ((Palestinian 1948)) and Palestinians, together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times",

Who was first to Palestine? Palestinians or Israelis? - Yahoo! Answers

 

[MJB12741]

Fact is that whoever rules the land at any given time owns it. Consider all the land & border changes that have taken place over most of Europe over the centuries. As just one example consider the city of Vilna. Is it Russian, Polish or Lithuanian? Answer, all three, depending on who ruled the land at any given period of time.

 

[Wolverine1984]

Of course it has not been proven wrong. You misquoted my quote. You took a piece out of context.

In order for the Palestinians to not be descendents of all these different people you would have to believe that whenever a territory falls under new rule the entire old population moves out and an entire new population moves in. Of course this does not happen.

The vast majority of the people living in mandate Palestine were direct descendents of people who predated the Ottoman Empire. Hundreds of years of Ottoman rule made an insignificant change in Palestine's population.

You probably would not find a pure Canaanite or Philistine but you would be hard pressed to find a Palestinian who does not have any lineage back to the beginning of time.

Where are the genetic studies that proves "Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines" ?
Because that is the basis of your claim , you are claiming that Palestinians were in Palestine in biblical times even before the Israelites ...
Where is your proof of that ?
You talk about the Ottoman empire , who started out at 1299 and claim that because Arab Palestinians where there at 1299AD they were there also at 1000 BC , that's hardly proof.

Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis ((Palestinian 1948)) and Palestinians, together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times",

Who was first to Palestine? Palestinians or Israelis? - Yahoo! Answers

LOL!!!! Really ? Now your source is Yahoo answers ???
You can not expect anyone to take it seriously ....
Genetic DNA test results suggest that Palestinians are descendants of the Jewish\Christian local population of Palestine (That is why Jews and Palestinians have similar DNA), But never in any research there has been proof that Palestinians are descendants of Philistines , because they are not and this is a lie.

One DNA study by Nebel found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD".[111]

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This study directly disproved the fictional fact that 'Palestinians are descendants of Philistines', By the 7th century AD the Philistines were long gone ...

 

[72VirginCamels]

THere have been REAL DNA test results that have found a link between Jews from all over the world ie European Jews and Middle Eastern Jews, including those Israel. The Jewish people today are the true descendants of those that lived in ancient Israel. Welcome home, people of Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where are the genetic studies that proves "Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines" ?
Because that is the basis of your claim , you are claiming that Palestinians were in Palestine in biblical times even before the Israelites ...
Where is your proof of that ?
You talk about the Ottoman empire , who started out at 1299 and claim that because Arab Palestinians where there at 1299AD they were there also at 1000 BC , that's hardly proof.

Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis ((Palestinian 1948)) and Palestinians, together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times",

Who was first to Palestine? Palestinians or Israelis? - Yahoo! Answers

LOL!!!! Really ? Now your source is Yahoo answers ???
You can not expect anyone to take it seriously ....
Genetic DNA test results suggest that Palestinians are descendants of the Jewish\Christian local population of Palestine (That is why Jews and Palestinians have similar DNA), But never in any research there has been proof that Palestinians are descendants of Philistines , because they are not and this is a lie.

One DNA study by Nebel found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD".[111]

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This study directly disproved the fictional fact that 'Palestinians are descendants of Philistines', By the 7th century AD the Philistines were long gone ...

Now your source is Yahoo answers ???

No, Israeli geneticist Ariella Oppenheim.

One DNA study by Nebel found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants,...

How does that disprove my post? What about Palestine's Christian and Jewish inhabitants?

 

[Wolverine1984]

Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis ((Palestinian 1948)) and Palestinians, together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times",

Who was first to Palestine? Palestinians or Israelis? - Yahoo! Answers

LOL!!!! Really ? Now your source is Yahoo answers ???
You can not expect anyone to take it seriously ....
Genetic DNA test results suggest that Palestinians are descendants of the Jewish\Christian local population of Palestine (That is why Jews and Palestinians have similar DNA), But never in any research there has been proof that Palestinians are descendants of Philistines , because they are not and this is a lie.

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This study directly disproved the fictional fact that 'Palestinians are descendants of Philistines', By the 7th century AD the Philistines were long gone ...

Now your source is Yahoo answers ???

No, Israeli geneticist Ariella Oppenheim.

And I supposed to look in Yahoo answers for her study ?
Link please.

One DNA study by Nebel found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants,...

How does that disprove my post? What about Palestine's Christian and Jewish inhabitants?[/QUOTE]

You claimed that Palestinians are the descendants of Philistines, that is how this study disproves your post.

 

[MJB12741]

That is true. Fact is nearly all Muslim lands are stolen lands taken from the native populations & conquered by force where the original inhabitants were forced to convert, leave or be killed.

Syria claims palesting, jordan, lebanon and parts of turkey and iraq.
Iraq claimed kuwait.
Saudi wanted to claim all of the middle east.
Iraq, syria and jordan were created for the Royals from Mecca, the Husseins.
Syria as we know it was five separate states.
Transjordan was the arab half of British mandate to palestine.
The middle east was all an artificial creation, and only a few areas like Lebanon had ever had autonomy. It had existed as part of the arab/muslim/ottoman empires for over a thousand years.
Britain and France were given the mandate to break up the ottoman empire into smaller states.

 

[P F Tinmore]

LOL!!!! Really ? Now your source is Yahoo answers ???
You can not expect anyone to take it seriously ....
Genetic DNA test results suggest that Palestinians are descendants of the Jewish\Christian local population of Palestine (That is why Jews and Palestinians have similar DNA), But never in any research there has been proof that Palestinians are descendants of Philistines , because they are not and this is a lie.

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This study directly disproved the fictional fact that 'Palestinians are descendants of Philistines', By the 7th century AD the Philistines were long gone ...

No, Israeli geneticist Ariella Oppenheim.

And I supposed to look in Yahoo answers for her study ?
Link please.

One DNA study by Nebel found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants,...

How does that disprove my post? What about Palestine's Christian and Jewish inhabitants?

You claimed that Palestinians are the descendants of Philistines, that is how this study disproves your post.[/QUOTE]

No I didn't. I never said that.

 

[JStone]

Tashbih Sayyed, Muslim Pakistani Scholar, Journalist, Author and Former Editor in Chief of Our Times, Pakistan Today, and The Muslim World Today

Blinded by their anti-Semitism, Arabs ignore the fact that neither are they an indigenous group nor is the Jewish nationhood a new phenomenon in Palestine; the Jewish nation was born during 40 years of wandering in the Sinai more than five thousand years ago and has remained connected with Palestine ever since. “Even after the destruction of the last Jewish commonwealth in the first century, the Jewish people maintained their own autonomous political and legal institutions: the Davidic dynasty was preserved in Baghdad until the thirteenth century through the rule of the Exilarch (Resh Galuta), while the return to Zion was incorporated into the most widely practiced Jewish traditions, including the end of the Yom Kippur service and the Passover Seder, as well as in everyday prayers. Thus, Jewish historic rights were kept alive in Jewish historical consciousness.

It is a matter of record that the Arabs owe their presence in Palestine to the Ottomans who settled Muslim populations as a buffer against Bedouin attacks and Ibrahim Pasha, the Egyptian ruler who brought Egyptian colonists with his army in the 1830s. And during all those times when Arabs lived under the Ottoman rule, they never showed any desire for national independence.

Jerusalem has always remained a Jewish majority – a symbol of Jewish yearning to be an independent nation as they thrived in communities in many of Palestine’s towns. “By 1864, a clear-cut Jewish majority emerged in Jerusalem - more than half a century before the arrival of the British Empire and the League of Nations Mandate. During the years that the Jewish presence in Eretz Israel was restored, a huge Arab population influx transpired as Arab immigrants sought to take advantage of higher wages and economic opportunities that resulted from Jewish settlement in the land. President Roosevelt concluded in 1939 that "Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during the whole period."

The present Arab declaration challenging the Jewish character of Israel cannot be ignored because it is not just an expression of dissatisfaction by a minority about their socio-economic situation but a reminder that Islamist radicalism and fundamentalism has now decided to challenge openly the legitimacy of the Jewish state.
Global Politician - Israel?s Arab Citizens And The Jewish State

2,000 Year Old Jewish Dead Sea Scrolls
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rYj_0foJYA]The Dead Sea Scrolls Online - YouTube[/ame]

Google Official Google Blog: From the desert to the web: bringing the Dead Sea Scrolls online

It’s taken 24 centuries, the work of archaeologists, scholars and historians, and the advent of the Internet to make the Dead Sea Scrolls accessible to anyone in the world. Today, as the new year approaches on the Hebrew calendar, we’re celebrating the launch of the Dead Sea Scrolls online; a project of The Israel Museum, Jerusalem, powered by Google technology.

Written between the third and first centuries BCE, the Dead Sea Scrolls include the oldest known biblical manuscripts in existence. In 68 BCE, they were hidden in 11 caves in the Judean desert on the shores of the Dead Sea to protect them from the approaching Roman armies. Since 1965, the scrolls have been on exhibit at the Shrine of the Book at The Israel Museum, Jerusalem. Among other topics, the scrolls offer critical insights into life and religion in ancient Jerusalem, including the birth of Christianity

Now, anyone around the world can view, read and interact with five digitized Dead Sea Scrolls. The high resolution photographs are up to 1,200 megapixels, almost 200 times more than the average consumer camera, so viewers can see even the most minute details in the parchment. For example, zoom in on the Temple Scroll to get a feel for the animal skin it's written on—only one-tenth of a millimeter thick.

 

[Wolverine1984]

One DNA study by Nebel found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants,...

How does that disprove my post? What about Palestine's Christian and Jewish inhabitants?

You claimed that Palestinians are the descendants of Philistines, that is how this study disproves your post.

No I didn't. I never said that.

Your original Post

The continuity of the Palestinian roots in the land in fact goes back to antiquity. Absorbing or outlasting various conquerors, Palestinians tenaciously tended their ancestral farmlands, whether as freeholders or as tenants and mortgagees, and by the end of World War 11, mostly as unfettered freeholders again. In his study of the history of landholdings in Palestine, Abraham Granott, formerly Managing Director of the Jewish National Fund, admits:

When the kingdom of Byzantium was subjugated by the Arabs, practically the whole of the land belonged to the big proprietors, the Emperor, the municipal authorities, and religious bodies, as churches and so on, while the soil was cultivated by the former owners who had remained on their plots as tenants after the land had passed into the hands of large owners.(1)

Thus the Palestinian farmers expelled by the Zionists in 1948 were the lineal descendants of the most ancient owners of the land. The Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines <== Here you are saying it !
and of all the Semitic peoples who have lived in Palestine since the time of the Canaanites. Successive waves of newcomers, such as Philistines from Crete, Semites from Iraq, Romans, Greeks and Arabs came and intermarried with the native stock.

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

 

[JStone]

Eminent Archaeologist and Middle East Historian, former Fulbright Scholar Dr. Eric Cline...

The claims that modern Palestinians are descended from the ancient Jebusites are made without any supporting evidence. Historians and archaeologists have generally concluded that most, if not all, modern Palestinians are probably more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan and other countries than they are to the ancient Jebusites, Canaanites or Philistines.

Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Middle East History and Director of the Center for International Studies at Columbia University, Advisor to various Arab groups...

There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You claimed that Palestinians are the descendants of Philistines, that is how this study disproves your post.

No I didn't. I never said that.

Your original Post

The continuity of the Palestinian roots in the land in fact goes back to antiquity. Absorbing or outlasting various conquerors, Palestinians tenaciously tended their ancestral farmlands, whether as freeholders or as tenants and mortgagees, and by the end of World War 11, mostly as unfettered freeholders again. In his study of the history of landholdings in Palestine, Abraham Granott, formerly Managing Director of the Jewish National Fund, admits:

When the kingdom of Byzantium was subjugated by the Arabs, practically the whole of the land belonged to the big proprietors, the Emperor, the municipal authorities, and religious bodies, as churches and so on, while the soil was cultivated by the former owners who had remained on their plots as tenants after the land had passed into the hands of large owners.(1)

Thus the Palestinian farmers expelled by the Zionists in 1948 were the lineal descendants of the most ancient owners of the land. The Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines <== Here you are saying it !
and of all the Semitic peoples who have lived in Palestine since the time of the Canaanites. Successive waves of newcomers, such as Philistines from Crete, Semites from Iraq, Romans, Greeks and Arabs came and intermarried with the native stock.

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

 

[JStone]

Exodus 34:27 Then the LORD said to Moses, &#8220;Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.

John 12:13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, &#8220;Hosanna! &#8220;Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! &#8220;Blessed is the king of Israel!&#8221;

John 1:49 Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel."

Eminent Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying with the larger province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1922-1948]

Bernard Lewis

The countries forming the western arm of the Fertile Crescent were called by the names of the various kingdoms and peoples that ruled and inhabited them. Of these, the most familiar, or at least the best documented, are the southern lands, known in the earlier books of the Hebrew Bible and some other ancient writings as Canaan. After the Israelite conquest and settlement, the area inhabited by them came to be described as "land of the children of Israel" or simply "land of Israel" After the breakup of the kingdom of David and Solomon in the tenth century BCE, the southern part, with Jerusalem as its capital, was called Judah, while the north was called Israel

Bernard Lewis

It is by now commonplace that the civilizations of the Middle East are oldest known to human history. They go back thousands of years, much older than the civilizations of India and China, not to speak of other upstart places. It is also interesting, though now often forgotten, that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East were almost totally obliterated and forgotten by their own people as well as by others. Their monuments were defaced or destroyed, their languages forgotten, their scripts forgotten, their history forgotten and even their identities forgotten.

All that was known about them came from one single source, and that is Israel, the only component of the ancient Middle East to have retained their identity, their memory, their language and their books. For a very long time, up to comparatively modern times, with rare exceptions all that was known about the ancient Middle East--the Babylonians, the Egyptians and the rest--was what the Jewish tradiiton has preserved.
Amazon.com: Political Words and Ideas in Islam (9781558764248): Bernard Lewis: Books

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...

Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

PBS: Civilization and the Jews

The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it&#8217;s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it&#8217;s own right; it asserted it&#8217;s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel...
PBS - Heritage

Harvard Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum

In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.


Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth.

Harvard University Semitic Museum: Jerusalem During The Reign Of King Hezekiah--New Exhibition At The Semitic Museum Re-Creates Numerous Aspects Of Ancient Israel Harvard Gazette: Jerusalem during the reign of King Hezekiah

The Semitic Museum has installed a new exhibition that brings the world of biblical Israel into vivid, three-dimensional reality. "The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine" immerses the viewer in Israelite daily life around the time of King Hezekiah (8th century B.C.), creating an experiential environment based on the latest archaeological, textual, and historical research.
The centerpiece of the exhibition is a full-scale Israelite house, open on one side, filled with authentic ancient artifacts that show how life was lived by common inhabitants of ancient Jerusalem. Agricultural tools, a cooking area, and a stall occupied by a single, scruffy ram fill the ground floor of the cube-shaped, mud-brick structure, which, thankfully, is not olfactorily authentic. The upper story, reached by a ladder, is devoted to eating and sleeping.

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel

In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.

The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press

PBS Nova ...

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.

The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Wolverine1984]

No I didn't. I never said that.

Your original Post

The continuity of the Palestinian roots in the land in fact goes back to antiquity. Absorbing or outlasting various conquerors, Palestinians tenaciously tended their ancestral farmlands, whether as freeholders or as tenants and mortgagees, and by the end of World War 11, mostly as unfettered freeholders again. In his study of the history of landholdings in Palestine, Abraham Granott, formerly Managing Director of the Jewish National Fund, admits:

When the kingdom of Byzantium was subjugated by the Arabs, practically the whole of the land belonged to the big proprietors, the Emperor, the municipal authorities, and religious bodies, as churches and so on, while the soil was cultivated by the former owners who had remained on their plots as tenants after the land had passed into the hands of large owners.(1)

Thus the Palestinian farmers expelled by the Zionists in 1948 were the lineal descendants of the most ancient owners of the land. The Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines <== Here you are saying it !
and of all the Semitic peoples who have lived in Palestine since the time of the Canaanites. Successive waves of newcomers, such as Philistines from Crete, Semites from Iraq, Romans, Greeks and Arabs came and intermarried with the native stock.

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

Nothing to say ,eh ?
Well that's what happens when you are caught saying something you said you didn't say ... (This sentence a bit confusing eh ?)

 

[JStone]

Arab American Journalist Joseph Farah: The Myth Of Palestine And Palestinians

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed — before or since — as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

I know what you’re going to say: “Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam’s third most holy sites.”

Not true. In fact, the Quran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Muhammad ever visited Jerusalem.

So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Quran, the 17th Sura, entitled “The Night Journey.” It relates that in a dream or a vision Muhammad was carried by night “from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs. …” In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that’s as close as Islam’s connection with Jerusalem gets — myth, fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham.
Myths of the Middle East

Click "Watch On YouTube"
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xrnw-yIc9w]The True History of Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJjm5K07V0]Who are the Palestinians? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

One DNA study by Nebel found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants,...

How does that disprove my post? What about Palestine's Christian and Jewish inhabitants?

You claimed that Palestinians are the descendants of Philistines, that is how this study disproves your post.

No I didn't. I never said that.

Your original Post

The continuity of the Palestinian roots in the land in fact goes back to antiquity. Absorbing or outlasting various conquerors, Palestinians tenaciously tended their ancestral farmlands, whether as freeholders or as tenants and mortgagees, and by the end of World War 11, mostly as unfettered freeholders again. In his study of the history of landholdings in Palestine, Abraham Granott, formerly Managing Director of the Jewish National Fund, admits:

When the kingdom of Byzantium was subjugated by the Arabs, practically the whole of the land belonged to the big proprietors, the Emperor, the municipal authorities, and religious bodies, as churches and so on, while the soil was cultivated by the former owners who had remained on their plots as tenants after the land had passed into the hands of large owners.(1)

Thus the Palestinian farmers expelled by the Zionists in 1948 were the lineal descendants of the most ancient owners of the land. The Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines <== Here you are saying it !
and of all the Semitic peoples who have lived in Palestine since the time of the Canaanites. Successive waves of newcomers, such as Philistines from Crete, Semites from Iraq, Romans, Greeks and Arabs came and intermarried with the native stock.

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

Nothing to say ,eh ?
Well that's what happens when you are caught saying something you said you didn't say ... (This sentence a bit confusing eh ?)

confusing

Yes, you are confused.

 

[Wolverine1984]

One DNA study by Nebel found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants,...

How does that disprove my post? What about Palestine's Christian and Jewish inhabitants?

You claimed that Palestinians are the descendants of Philistines, that is how this study disproves your post.

No I didn't. I never said that.

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The continuity of the Palestinian roots in the land in fact goes back to antiquity. Absorbing or outlasting various conquerors, Palestinians tenaciously tended their ancestral farmlands, whether as freeholders or as tenants and mortgagees, and by the end of World War 11, mostly as unfettered freeholders again. In his study of the history of landholdings in Palestine, Abraham Granott, formerly Managing Director of the Jewish National Fund, admits:

When the kingdom of Byzantium was subjugated by the Arabs, practically the whole of the land belonged to the big proprietors, the Emperor, the municipal authorities, and religious bodies, as churches and so on, while the soil was cultivated by the former owners who had remained on their plots as tenants after the land had passed into the hands of large owners.(1)

Thus the Palestinian farmers expelled by the Zionists in 1948 were the lineal descendants of the most ancient owners of the land. The Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines <== Here you are saying it !
and of all the Semitic peoples who have lived in Palestine since the time of the Canaanites. Successive waves of newcomers, such as Philistines from Crete, Semites from Iraq, Romans, Greeks and Arabs came and intermarried with the native stock.

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

So , you still maintain you didn't say it ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

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So , you still maintain you didn't say it ?

You are trying to change the meaning of what I said.