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[Hector12]

You are not versed in anthropology. “White” has nothing to do with being Caucasian. You need to do some research before continuing to look ignorant.

DNA proves race. I can only repeat what I have already said.

 

[Cougarbear]

You do not seem to understand DNA. A person's DNA proves the person's race. The Book of Mormon claims that the New World was populated by Mid Eastern refugees. The DNA of American Indians proves before the time of Columbias proves that that is not true.

And, I said you are wrong. The Book of Mormon does not claim to populate the Americas with Med Eastern refugees. You are interpolating this into your argument and it is false. Thus, your conclusion is false. All the Book of Mormon does is claim a man and his family from the tribe of Joseph came to the Americas. It did not say they 100% populated the Americas. Now, there have been people from the Church that said things like that. But, what they said was not doctrine nor was it the official statement of the Church.
Claiming I don't understand DNA doesn't relieve you of completely misusing "Caucasian." Nor does is clear you of assuming the claim of The Book of Mormon 100% populating the entire Americas. There have been many and they mixed groups of people complicating DNA race answers. You also don't understand DNA as you don't understand anthropology.
It's a shame that you once had a testimony from the Holy Ghost. But, you allowed deceivers to confuse you and deny the testimony from the Holy Ghost. Then, you compounded your apostasy by reading and listening to other apostates, anti-Mormon groups and so on that make the same basic mistakes you are making. Then, when confronted with the truths, such as my statements above, you double down and restate the falsehoods all over again. The Pride Cycle taught in The Book of Mormon is alive in you. Your claims are 100% false.

 

[Cougarbear]

DNA proves race. I can only repeat what I have already said.

Stop trying to change the truth. You made a bad mistake and then compound that mistake with another one. "Race is a real concept that we use as social beings. As for whether race can be found in our genes, the answer is no. (google it) Biological ancestry, however(which is distinct from race), is real. Where our forebears came from can be seen in our DNA (but only to a certain degree), but ancestry DOES NOT map onto race, not even close"
So, you don’t have any of this correct. Yet, you denied the Holy Ghost back when you were baptized and received the gift of the Holy Ghost. Get it right before it’s too late!

 

[Hector12]

Stop trying to change the truth. You made a bad mistake and then compound that mistake with another one. "Race is a real concept that we use as social beings. As for whether race can be found in our genes, the answer is no. (google it) Biological ancestry, however(which is distinct from race), is real. Where our forebears came from can be seen in our DNA (but only to a certain degree), but ancestry DOES NOT map onto race, not even close"
So, you don’t have any of this correct. Yet, you denied the Holy Ghost back when you were baptized and received the gift of the Holy Ghost. Get it right before it’s too late!

You do not turn a falsehood into a truth by repeating it.

 

[Hector12]

Stop trying to change the truth. You made a bad mistake and then compound that mistake with another one. "Race is a real concept that we use as social beings. As for whether race can be found in our genes, the answer is no. (google it) Biological ancestry, however(which is distinct from race), is real. Where our forebears came from can be seen in our DNA (but only to a certain degree), but ancestry DOES NOT map onto race, not even close"
So, you don’t have any of this correct. Yet, you denied the Holy Ghost back when you were baptized and received the gift of the Holy Ghost. Get it right before it’s too late!

This video is nearly an hour long, but anyone who is thinking about becoming a Mormon should watch it. It is credited with destroying the faith of many Mormons. the video calmly and rationally proves that the document from which Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Abraham is really the Book of Breathing. It says nothing about Abraham. It concerns Egyptian gods and goddesses.

I discovered the fraud of the Book of Mormon on my own. Only later did I discover conformation of what I had discovered.

 

[Cougarbear]

You do not turn a falsehood into a truth by repeating it.

Now you are just making yourself look like a fool in which you are. You don’t know a thing you are talking about. You blew it twice. Caucasian and then thinking race can be shown with DNA. You messed up.

 

[Hector12]

Now you are just making yourself look like a fool in which you are. You don’t know a thing you are talking about. You blew it twice. Caucasian and then thinking race can be shown with DNA. You messed up.

In his essay "The Inequality Taboo" Charles Murray mentions an experiment involving about 3,500 people. First they were asked to identify their race. Then they were asked to donate a DNA sample for analysis. Those who analyzed the DNA sample did not know which race the owner of each sample claimed for himself or herself, but they agreed over 99% of the time.

The Inequality Taboo

When the late Richard Herrnstein and I published The Bell Curve eleven years ago, the furor over its discussion of ethnic differences in IQ was so intense that most people who have not read the book still think it was about race. Since then, I have deliberately not published anything about group...

www.aei.org

 

[Cougarbear]

This video is nearly an hour long, but anyone who is thinking about becoming a Mormon should watch it. It is credited with destroying the faith of many Mormons. the video calmly and rationally proves that the document from which Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Abraham is really the Book of Breathing. It says nothing about Abraham. It concerns Egyptian gods and goddesses.

I discovered the fraud of the Book of Mormon on my own. Only later did I discover conformation of what I had discovered.

No reason to watch it after attempting to use false understanding about simple concepts like DNA and 100% of the Native Americans were from Lehi. And, you refuse to read Jeff Lindsay’s website about this that debunks everyone your video. I told you I’ve seen it all in 45years as a member.

 

[Hector12]

No reason to watch it after attempting to use false understanding about simple concepts like DNA and 100% of the Native Americans were from Lehi. And, you refuse to read Jeff Lindsay’s website about this that debunks everyone your video. I told you I’ve seen it all in 45years as a member.

I read Jeff Lindsay's website. It consisted of nothing but meaningless words.

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Anthropology Outreach Office
Department of Anthropology
National Museum of Natural History MRC 112
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560

PREPARED BY
THE DEPARTMENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY
SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION
1996​

STATEMENT REGARDING THE BOOK OF MORMON

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1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern. central, and northeastern Asia. Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians cane into the New World - probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Being Strait region during the last Ice Age - in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago.

3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with Old World civilizations if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley, oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492. (Camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, and mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time when the early big game hunters spread across the Americas.)

5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by no means certain that even such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asian and the Near East.

7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt.

8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.

Smithsonian Statement Regarding The Book of Mormon

 

[ninja007]

lds is a cult.

 

[Hector12]

lds is a cult.

Cougarbear is a case for the books, isn't he? Facts bounce off of him like bullets bouncing off of a brick wall. Weak minds house strong opinions.

 

[ninja007]

Cougarbear is a case for the books, isn't he? Facts bounce off of him like bullets bouncing off of a brick wall. Weak minds house strong opinions.

when i listed those dozens of reasons why lds is the very opposite of the bible he just said that he can refute all those facts lol.

 

[Cougarbear]

I read Jeff Lindsay's website. It consisted of nothing but meaningless words.

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PREPARED BY
THE DEPARTMENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY
SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION
1996​

STATEMENT REGARDING THE BOOK OF MORMON

​

1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern. central, and northeastern Asia. Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians cane into the New World - probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Being Strait region during the last Ice Age - in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago.

3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with Old World civilizations if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley, oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492. (Camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, and mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time when the early big game hunters spread across the Americas.)

5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by no means certain that even such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asian and the Near East.

7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt.

8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.

Smithsonian Statement Regarding The Book of Mormon

You did not read it. If you had, you would know that the Smithsonian statements have been walked back by them. You are a liar. You have no humility. You lack cognitive reasoning capability. You have no understanding of basic words and concepts in science and anthropology. Yet, you tell those who do how they should believe. I’m willing to have an honest discussion with you. But you have to be willing to admit when you are wrong and misunderstood things like DNA. Simple things like Lehi was of Joseph whose family assimilated into other civilizations eventually into Europe, Russia and around the world meaning no connection with Jews DNA in Israel today. This is an example of rudimentary cognitive reasoning. Even you should understand. And, only a fraction of people in ancient Americas would be of the tribe of Joseph through Lehi. And if you read JL you would also know the metals and tools have been found. There are animals that resembled those mentioned in the Book of Mormon that have been found. And, LiBar technology shows only a fraction of the ancient world has been dug up. That’s how I know you haven’t read it.

 

[strollingbones]

I am a Biblical Christian. Nothing that Joseph Smith did, said or believed was necessary to the Church.

He was a con man and he sadly started a cult.

define biblical christian please

 

[SweetSue92]

define biblical christian please

Sola Scriptura

"By Scripture alone" do we understand the will of God and the purposes of God

 

[strollingbones]

Sola Scriptura

"By Scripture alone" do we understand the will of God and the purposes of God

so you follow scriptures in the bible without question?

 

[Hector12]

when i listed those dozens of reasons why lds is the very opposite of the bible he just said that he can refute all those facts lol.

He says he can refute them, but he can't. He says somebody named "Lindsey" refuted the Smithsonian letter, but he did not give me the web address, and told me to look for it myself.

 

[Hector12]

You did not read it. If you had, you would know that the Smithsonian statements have been walked back by them. You are a liar. You have no humility. You lack cognitive reasoning capability. You have no understanding of basic words and concepts in science and anthropology. Yet, you tell those who do how they should believe. I’m willing to have an honest discussion with you. But you have to be willing to admit when you are wrong and misunderstood things like DNA. Simple things like Lehi was of Joseph whose family assimilated into other civilizations eventually into Europe, Russia and around the world meaning no connection with Jews DNA in Israel today. This is an example of rudimentary cognitive reasoning. Even you should understand. And, only a fraction of people in ancient Americas would be of the tribe of Joseph through Lehi. And if you read JL you would also know the metals and tools have been found. There are animals that resembled those mentioned in the Book of Mormon that have been found. And, LiBar technology shows only a fraction of the ancient world has been dug up. That’s how I know you haven’t read it.

You're not a liar, because you're gullible enough to believe the nonsense you post.

You do not even know how to write. You should break up your paragraphs, and leave a blank line between them.

Where have the tools and metals mentioned in The Book of Mormon been found? Post a web address, so I can read about them. Why does the architecture of the American Indians bear no similarity to the architecture of the Near East? Where are the remains of that temple built in the style of the Temple of Jerusalem.?

I do not like being rude to you, but you started it. You are different from the Mormon missionaries I talk to. They are polite.

 

[Hector12]

lds is a cult.

With the exception of Cougarbear the Mormons I have known have been nice people. They deserve better than the fraud of the religion they follow.

 

[Cougarbear]

You're not a liar, because you're gullible enough to believe the nonsense you post.

You do not even know how to write. You should break up your paragraphs, and leave a blank line between them.

Where have the tools and metals mentioned in The Book of Mormon been found? Post a web address, so I can read about them. Why does the architecture of the American Indians bear no similarity to the architecture of the Near East? Where are the remains of that temple built in the style of the Temple of Jerusalem.?

I do not like being rude to you, but you started it. You are different from the Mormon missionaries I talk to. They are polite.

Read Jeff Lindsay to find out your answers. What I’ll do is receive the Holy Ghost to know The Book of Mormon is true. Jesus is the Christ. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is Christ’s Church. The Doctrine is all true. Joseph Smith was a propane Russel M Nelson is Christ’s current prophet. It’s not about science you duffas. So sad.
Like I said, I have the answers for your questions. That doesn’t give me my testimony.