The Census and the Triumph of Conservatism.

[NYcarbineer]

If Conservatism had triumphed, a New Yorker would need a passport to move to Texas.

 

[Trajan]

The census showed people moving from blue states to red states. It does not show those people becoming Republicans.

Much of the increase in population in Florida, Texas and Arizona are Hispanic Americans...they are not too happy with the Republicans based on recent legislation

hummmm so what % of California's growth in the last decade is due to immigration from aboard?

 

[rightwinger]

The census showed people moving from blue states to red states. It does not show those people becoming Republicans.

Much of the increase in population in Florida, Texas and Arizona are Hispanic Americans...they are not too happy with the Republicans based on recent legislation

hummmm so what % of California's growth in the last decade is due to immigration from aboard?

Aboard what?

 

[rdean]

Triumph of Conservatism

Two unpaid for wars.

Tens of thousands of Americans dead and maimed.

The creation of a far Right Islamic State.

A ruined economy.

A devastated middle class.

The richest top 1.7% in the history of the world.

Millions of new poor.

A nation falling farther behind the world in education.

Yep, "Triumph of Conservatism" is exactly right. Look at what they managed to do. Incredible.

 

[The T]

Triumph of Conservatism

Two unpaid for wars.

Tens of thousands of Americans dead and maimed.

The creation of a far Right Islamic State.

A ruined economy.

A devastated middle class.

The richest top 1.7% in the history of the world.

Millions of new poor.

A nation falling farther behind the world in education.

Yep, "Triumph of Conservatism" is exactly right. Look at what they managed to do. Incredible.

ALL of which still has to be PROVED by you deaniac.

You still have yet to commit to it. You won't because you aren't able to see beyond your partisan Huffpoo, DU powdered nose that is frequently up the aforementioned's assholes.

But that's just you...ain't it?

 

[Intense]

Or is that the triumph of a failed and failing ideology.....I realize it is hard for wingnuts to have even a smidgen of empathy or reason, but consider the implications of the piece below on the people and on their lives. For once exclude liberals / unions or other easy finger pointing and think.....

'Alabama Town’s Failed Pension Is a Warning' By Michael Cooper And Mary Williams Walsh

'Prichard, Ala. — This struggling small city on the outskirts of Mobile was warned for years that if it did nothing, its pension fund would run out of money by 2009. Right on schedule, its fund ran dry.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/business/23prichard.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...he-triumph-of-conservatism-4.html#post3119653


Edit:

Debates today over slavery point to one obvious fact, when looking back history changes greatly. Revisionism and pure BS is the history of American conservatism today.

"In other words, the only state right the Confederate founders were interested in was the rich man’s “right” to own slaves...

In part because of this renewed rhetoric, in the coming remembrances we will likely hear more from folks who cling to the whitewash explanation for secession and the Civil War. But you have only to look at the honest words of the secessionists to see why all those men put on uniforms." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/opinion/19Ball.html

You couldn't be more wrong Midcan. Both Jefferson and Madison were from the South. They both were true Statesman. There were many others, as there were many others working to end Slavery both North and South. We did end it here Bro. Not every Nation can make that claim. The fundamental difference Midcan is with you, Fundamental Truth lies in Government, and can only come from Government. For me, Fundamental Truth comes from The Governor of Creation, and is funneled to us Each through Conscience. Your Core is Government. My core is Individual Conscience.

 

[The T]

Or is that the triumph of a failed and failing ideology.....I realize it is hard for wingnuts to have even a smidgen of empathy or reason, but consider the implications of the piece below on the people and on their lives. For once exclude liberals / unions or other easy finger pointing and think.....

'Alabama Town’s Failed Pension Is a Warning' By Michael Cooper And Mary Williams Walsh

'Prichard, Ala. — This struggling small city on the outskirts of Mobile was warned for years that if it did nothing, its pension fund would run out of money by 2009. Right on schedule, its fund ran dry.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/business/23prichard.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...he-triumph-of-conservatism-4.html#post3119653


Edit:

Debates today over slavery point to one obvious fact, when looking back history changes greatly. Revisionism and pure BS is the history of American conservatism today.

"In other words, the only state right the Confederate founders were interested in was the rich man’s “right” to own slaves...

In part because of this renewed rhetoric, in the coming remembrances we will likely hear more from folks who cling to the whitewash explanation for secession and the Civil War. But you have only to look at the honest words of the secessionists to see why all those men put on uniforms." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/opinion/19Ball.html

You couldn't be more wrong Midcan. Both Jefferson and Madison were from the South. They both were true Statesman. There were many others, as there were many others working to end Slavery both North and South. We did end it here Bro. Not every Nation can make that claim. The fundamental difference Midcan is with you, Fundamental Truth lies in Government, and can only come from Government. For me, Fundamental Truth comes from The Governor of Creation, and is funneled to us Each through Conscience. Your Core is Government. My core is Individual Conscience.

*I* Really must bump this...Study this answer guys...LEARN.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

1. The Founders envisioned

Why should we care what they envisioned [...]

The founding fathers created a framework whereby the most prosperous society in the history of the world arose, primarily because it was protected from the encroachment of government.

That's why.

If you don't believe in the Constitution, you don't believe there are any limits on what government can make its citizens do.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rdean]

Triumph of Conservatism

Two unpaid for wars.

Tens of thousands of Americans dead and maimed.

The creation of a far Right Islamic State.

A ruined economy.

A devastated middle class.

The richest top 1.7% in the history of the world.

Millions of new poor.

A nation falling farther behind the world in education.

Yep, "Triumph of Conservatism" is exactly right. Look at what they managed to do. Incredible.

ALL of which still has to be PROVED by you deaniac.

You still have yet to commit to it. You won't because you aren't able to see beyond your partisan Huffpoo, DU powdered nose that is frequently up the aforementioned's assholes.

But that's just you...ain't it?

Are you serious? Which one can't be "proved"?

 

[The T]

Triumph of Conservatism

Two unpaid for wars.

Tens of thousands of Americans dead and maimed.

The creation of a far Right Islamic State.

A ruined economy.

A devastated middle class.

The richest top 1.7% in the history of the world.

Millions of new poor.

A nation falling farther behind the world in education.

Yep, "Triumph of Conservatism" is exactly right. Look at what they managed to do. Incredible.

ALL of which still has to be PROVED by you deaniac.

You still have yet to commit to it. You won't because you aren't able to see beyond your partisan Huffpoo, DU powdered nose that is frequently up the aforementioned's assholes.

But that's just you...ain't it?

Are you serious? Which one can't be "proved"?

Take your pick, oaf.

The Republicans are responsible for the Islamic Right for instance?

Are you serious? Not a student of history or the CRUSADES are you?

Ever heard of Mohammed?

Gee? Where were the REPUBLICANS then...eh?

You partisan SIMP.

 

[shintao]

4. "In the big picture, there are two ways Democrats can deal with this: Admit that their tax-happy, regulation-loving, fiscally incompetent, union favoring, public sector nurturing, debt ridden, sharp edges rounded off, politically correct, smoke free, salt free, fat free, common sense-free social and economic experiments have been colossal disasters — or they can continue to try to nationalize every aspect of America and pursue the extinction of greener pastures as fast as possible so people have nowhere which to escape. Which will it be?"http://michellemalkin.com/2010/12/19/census-data/

I think Democrats should continue the assualt with taxation, so future generations are not stuck with the Granny-Tax from retard irresponsible spending and borrowing. Retards just refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions. When you dance, you have to pay the fiddlers.

 

[shintao]

Triumph of Conservatism

Two unpaid for wars.

Tens of thousands of Americans dead and maimed.

The creation of a far Right Islamic State.

A ruined economy.

A devastated middle class.

The richest top 1.7% in the history of the world.

Millions of new poor.

A nation falling farther behind the world in education.

Yep, "Triumph of Conservatism" is exactly right. Look at what they managed to do. Incredible.

There were also a handful of unfunded progams from Bush, he left for others to pay. I recall the asshole saying he wouldn't be passing debt onto the next president. LMAO!!! Fucking liying SOB!!!

Precription Drug, unfunded Medicare part D, unfunded mandates for homeland security, election reform, and No Child Left Behind.

 

[rightwinger]

Triumph of Conservatism

Two unpaid for wars.

Tens of thousands of Americans dead and maimed.

The creation of a far Right Islamic State.

A ruined economy.

A devastated middle class.

The richest top 1.7% in the history of the world.

Millions of new poor.

A nation falling farther behind the world in education.

Yep, "Triumph of Conservatism" is exactly right. Look at what they managed to do. Incredible.

There were also a handful of unfunded progams from Bush, he left for others to pay. I recall the asshole saying he wouldn't be passing debt onto the next president. LMAO!!! Fucking liying SOB!!!

Precription Drug, unfunded Medicare part D, unfunded mandates for homeland security, election reform, and No Child Left Behind.

You forgot two wars that he funded with tax cuts...pure fiscal irresponsibility

 

[The T]

Triumph of Conservatism

Two unpaid for wars.

Tens of thousands of Americans dead and maimed.

The creation of a far Right Islamic State.

A ruined economy.

A devastated middle class.

The richest top 1.7% in the history of the world.

Millions of new poor.

A nation falling farther behind the world in education.

Yep, "Triumph of Conservatism" is exactly right. Look at what they managed to do. Incredible.

There were also a handful of unfunded progams from Bush, he left for others to pay. I recall the asshole saying he wouldn't be passing debt onto the next president. LMAO!!! Fucking liying SOB!!!

Precription Drug, unfunded Medicare part D, unfunded mandates for homeland security, election reform, and No Child Left Behind.

You forgot two wars that he funded with tax cuts...pure fiscal irresponsibility

But YEt this CONGRESS...a LEFTIST ONE continues to FUND activities in BOTH...

How convienient for youse guys eh?

You remain transparent. And fucking laughable.

 

[The T]

Funny how this shit works, isn't it you lefties?

 

[shintao]

There were also a handful of unfunded progams from Bush, he left for others to pay. I recall the asshole saying he wouldn't be passing debt onto the next president. LMAO!!! Fucking liying SOB!!!

Precription Drug, unfunded Medicare part D, unfunded mandates for homeland security, election reform, and No Child Left Behind.

You forgot two wars that he funded with tax cuts...pure fiscal irresponsibility

But YEt this CONGRESS...a LEFTIST ONE continues to FUND activities in BOTH...

How convienient for youse guys eh?

You remain transparent. And fucking laughable.

You do understand the difference between funded and unfunded wars?? DUH!!

 

[Chris]

1. The Founders envisioned a decentralized political arrangement, one which empowers individuals because it dispersed power, rather than amassing it in one place. Read the Tenth Amendment, ratified in 1791:

a. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

b. It's the reason that James Madison's words make sense when writing, in Federalist 39, “Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution.” Even those who disagreed agreed on federalism – Tenth Amendment Center

c. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis envisioned the state legislatures as "laboratories of democracy" willing to tackle new and innovative approaches in meeting the needs of society.

2. And that is exactly what the census identifies. The different "laboratories of democracy" have found different tax rates, amount of regulation, and ways of doing things necessary for the citizenry, and the American people understood these differences and, in fact, were more than capable of deciding which systems were best for them.

a. Texas...gained the most.
b. Heavily taxed states lost the most.
c. In effect, the Obama constituency lost 6 electoral votes, the McCain gained 6.
d. "This population shift certainly appears to benefit Republicans,..."http://www.npr.org/2010/12/22/132250827/2010-Census-Results-Appear-To-Benefit-Republicans

3. Another example of the genius of the Founders: federalism is the best approach, is that it allows folks to “vote with their feet,” and if they are unhappy with one jurisdiction, move to one more in line with their wishes. This mirrors the free-market system with businesses competing for customers. Where the federal government is a monopoly, federalism is a vehicle for freedom.

a. But the federalism is a problem for progressives, as states have less of a progressive tax system: property taxes and sales taxes tend to be less graduated, and some states have no income tax, as well. Redistribution is slowed to a trickle. Another consideration when folks 'vote with their feet.'

4. "In the big picture, there are two ways Democrats can deal with this: Admit that their tax-happy, regulation-loving, fiscally incompetent, union favoring, public sector nurturing, debt ridden, sharp edges rounded off, politically correct, smoke free, salt free, fat free, common sense-free social and economic experiments have been colossal disasters — or they can continue to try to nationalize every aspect of America and pursue the extinction of greener pastures as fast as possible so people have nowhere which to escape. Which will it be?"http://michellemalkin.com/2010/12/19/census-data/

The "Founders" owned slaves.

Reagan and the two Bushes created 92% of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

And conservatives always lose in the end.

The world is moving forward, not backward.

 

[Father Time]

If you don't believe in the Constitution, you don't believe there are any limits on what government can make its citizens do.

That's ridiculous. If you don't like the way the Constitution sets up government that doesn't mean you have to favor tyranny (although for the record I'm not advocating we ignore it).

I usually like what the founders say but I gotta go with JB.

They were not gods, they were not perfect, and we don't have to make sure they would've approved of everything we do.

 

[william the wie]

Sorry to break it to you but the Progressive movement hasn't had an original thought since at least the 1896 "Cross of Gold" speech by Bryant and that may be too generous by half. Most of the conservative movement is at least as bad but less monolithic and less fratricidal. Simply by combining solidly black, hispanic and white Ds in more or less equal numbers in the same district for 10 years between censuses is all that is needed to create anti-D voters. So gerrymandering to combine Ds of even slightly different flavors is the only thing needed to reduce support for the conservatives.

 

[The T]

1. The Founders envisioned a decentralized political arrangement, one which empowers individuals because it dispersed power, rather than amassing it in one place. Read the Tenth Amendment, ratified in 1791:

a. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

b. It's the reason that James Madison's words make sense when writing, in Federalist 39, “Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution.” Even those who disagreed agreed on federalism – Tenth Amendment Center

c. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis envisioned the state legislatures as "laboratories of democracy" willing to tackle new and innovative approaches in meeting the needs of society.

2. And that is exactly what the census identifies. The different "laboratories of democracy" have found different tax rates, amount of regulation, and ways of doing things necessary for the citizenry, and the American people understood these differences and, in fact, were more than capable of deciding which systems were best for them.

a. Texas...gained the most.
b. Heavily taxed states lost the most.
c. In effect, the Obama constituency lost 6 electoral votes, the McCain gained 6.
d. "This population shift certainly appears to benefit Republicans,..."http://www.npr.org/2010/12/22/132250827/2010-Census-Results-Appear-To-Benefit-Republicans

3. Another example of the genius of the Founders: federalism is the best approach, is that it allows folks to “vote with their feet,” and if they are unhappy with one jurisdiction, move to one more in line with their wishes. This mirrors the free-market system with businesses competing for customers. Where the federal government is a monopoly, federalism is a vehicle for freedom.

a. But the federalism is a problem for progressives, as states have less of a progressive tax system: property taxes and sales taxes tend to be less graduated, and some states have no income tax, as well. Redistribution is slowed to a trickle. Another consideration when folks 'vote with their feet.'

4. "In the big picture, there are two ways Democrats can deal with this: Admit that their tax-happy, regulation-loving, fiscally incompetent, union favoring, public sector nurturing, debt ridden, sharp edges rounded off, politically correct, smoke free, salt free, fat free, common sense-free social and economic experiments have been colossal disasters — or they can continue to try to nationalize every aspect of America and pursue the extinction of greener pastures as fast as possible so people have nowhere which to escape. Which will it be?"http://michellemalkin.com/2010/12/19/census-data/

The "Founders" owned slaves.

Reagan and the two Bushes created 92% of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

And conservatives always lose in the end.

The world is moving forward, not backward.

And the Founders especially as Jefferson was vexxed by the pronouncemment of Liberty as Many of them held SLAVES...

But you miss this don't you? Doesn't matter that they spoke of it...

Right?

Chris/ as much of an asshat as you appear to be?

I wish God's blessings upon you and a Merry Christmas in the spirit of Jesus and his short life of truth upon this Earth.