The biggest mistake the US made

[zaangalewa]

lol Czechoslavakia still exists,

Also this is wrong.

and is not part of Germany, so yes, we did liberate them from your Nazi Party's conquest. We expect you to be upset at that liberation. You probably also resent the SU collapsing and East Germany rejoining West Germany.

No idea what you try to speak about. The allies of world war 1+2 wiped out Bohemia, made it to a part of Czechoslovakia and gave it to Stalin.

And in general: The Boii (Bohemians) also existed in the first century (maybe much more earlier) - but the language of the Slaws was born in the 5th century in the area which is called today "the Ukraine" = "the borderland". And how many transformations of the name "Czechs" do you like to make until "Bohemians" will come out?

 

[DudleySmith]

Also this is wrong.



No idea what you try to speak about. The allies of world war 1+2 wiped out Bohemia, made it to a part of Czechoslovakia and gave it to Stalin.

And in general: The Boii (Bohemians) also existed in the first century (maybe much more earlier) - but the language of the Slaws was born in the 5th century in the area which is called today "the Ukraine" = "the borderland". And how many transformations of the name "Czechs" do you like to make until "Bohemians" will come out?

Nazi propaganda.

 

[zaangalewa]

Nazi propaganda.

Oh by the way: Hitler also became more popular because of the very mad situation the allies of world war 1 had created with Czechogermanoslovakia by ignoring the seocnd greatest group of people there. Mad situations favor mad ideas and mad men. How mad are your ideas and what will be the effects of your mad stupidities?

 

[zaangalewa]

Natives have it a lot better under American protection than under their own pols. ....

A perfect Nazi statement, DudleySmith

In 1492 existed about 10 million Red Indians. The world population had been about 500 millions. Now the world population is 8 billions - so today should exist about 160 million descendents of the Red Indians. Short: You did do a damn bad job to protect the Red Indians. And by the way: We Germans also die out. How comes "protected" from the USA, super-arrogant super-asshole?

The expression "boii" sounds by the way like the English word "boy" in the 'German' States of America.

 

[Mushroom]

You seem to think they were forced to become a state. My father fought in the Philippines. He thought they should have the same rights as US citizens regardless of statehood due to their service and support of soldiers in WW II. He liked them a lot.

Actually, the route was rather complex.

Early on the local government and people of the Philippines made it clear that they did not want to be a state, but eventually independent. Which even in 1900 caused the US to create a special classification for them. They were seen as "US Nationals", but not "US Citizens". They traveled on US passports, and had almost all rights of a US citizen except for the right to vote for US Presidents. They had their own legislatures and eventually executive that they did vote for however.

This also allowed them to join the US military, which was actually common until that was finally scrapped in the 1990s. Somebody in the Philippines that spoke passable English could report to one of the bases there, and enlist just as an American could here even after Independence was granted. Most of them served in the Navy, and many then used that as a way to become US citizens and move to the US after their term of service ended. I have served with a great many in the 1980s and early 1990s. And in the years since I have met a great many more that came to the US that way.

And for the veterans of WWII, they also could apply and got a special non-competitive guaranteed emigration slot to move to the US and become a US citizen. This was in recognition of their service and sacrifice during the war and Japanese occupation,

And there are still VA facilities in the Philippines to this day, as the US also elected to take care of those WWII veterans as if they had served in the US military as it was a US Commonwealth at the time. Which encouraged many US servicemembers in the decades since to chose to return after they retired from the military. There is a large expat community there because a retired servicemember can live quite comfortably in the Philippines, even on a retired military pension.

 

[Mushroom]

Did the citizens of the USA who lived at this moment of history in Hawaii also vote?

Yes.

 

[zaangalewa]

Yes.

And did vote there only citizens of the USA or also others who lived in Hawaii? What had been the very conrete relations in 1959 and how changed world war 2 this relations?

By the way: Lying by saying the truth is a relativelly normal act of mad US-Americans. You often justify what's not really justifyable with a wrong happiness and a wrong heroism. I heard to live in Hawaii is meanwhile much too expensive for many native Hawaiians. How many of them lived in Hawaii in 1500 - how many live there today? What thanks the native Hawaiians the USA - what thanks the USA Hawaii? Who made the better "business" and who payed the price for the welfare or wellness of the USA?

 

[AZrailwhale]

No! It had been a military base of the USA in a foreign country.

Hawaii had been a official territory of the USA since 1900. Try to not look so stupid, at least do Wikki search Before popping off.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Hawaii is a member of the USA since 1959.

Hawaii has been a state since 1959. It was a territory for the fifty nine years prior to that.

 

[zaangalewa]

Hawaii had been a official territory of the USA since 1900. Try to not look so stupid, at least do Wikki search Before popping off.

How came? Because the USA colonized Hawaii how she once had been a colony on her own? Or because Hawaii attacked the USA and as a revenge you conquered Hawaii about 4000 km (~2500 miles) far from America? Or did you just simple steal Hawaii? ... What means "the USA annexed Hawaii in 1898"? And who had on what reason to accept this annexation?

 

[DudleySmith]

Hawaii has been a state since 1959. It was a territory for the fifty nine years prior to that.

The natives have plenty of say there, and the majority say they don't want to go independent. Left wing Euros need to keep the fake narratives of 'American imperialism' going, otherwise they have to throw away many decades of printed propaganda and memorized memes and start over again making up new bullshit, and even have to learn new words n stuff. These idiots still think we killed all the natives here; they're morons.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Sorry, this story it is not current events, but I think such things do not have time estimation.

Today the 9 th of August 2015, we live our lives, but 241 000 people had died 70 years ago for no reason. They thought that the WW II was over ... but not for them.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
America believes that its internal and external policies is always right. And this is the biggest of its mistakes. Decided on the genocide in favor of its geopolitical interests - the top of inhumanity. This blood will never wash off from the US history, and the fact that even after 70 years, the US is not ready to admit that committed a terrible mistake says only one thing - the US continues to erroneous and selfish policy, both domestically and abroad.

I am so sorry, I thought we were confident enough to admit the things we had done.

We didn't listen to Ike?
We didn't listen to McCarthy?

 

[zaangalewa]

The natives have plenty of say there

Aha. Wonderful. And what do they say?

and the majority say they don't want to go independent ...

So the "American way" not means to go independent and that's why still the Brits govern the USA.

 

[zaangalewa]

The natives have plenty of say there, and the majority say they don't want to go independent. Left wing Euros need to keep the fake narratives of 'American imperialism' going, otherwise they have to throw away many decades of printed propaganda and memorized memes and start over again making up new bullshit, and even have to learn new words n stuff. These idiots still think we killed all the natives here; they're morons.

What changes nothing that Pearl Harbor had been a military base in a foreign country which had been attacked from Japan. So the USA "payed back this unbelievable crime" by doing good deeds like to nuke all citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Weird! ... or mad? For sure a hyper-reason to be super-proud and to make "the USA great again". ... Hmm ... but what was really "great" and what was not great? I would say for example the "blue Jeans" is great. Or Bob Dylan for example is great - as far as I know he is the only pure poet who got the noble Nobel price for literature. Not great was for example the Bush war in Iraq.




To remember:

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Hear this, you heads of the house of Jacob and rulers of the house of Israel, who detest justice and make crooked all that is straight, who build Zion with blood and Jerusalem with iniquity. Its heads give judgment for a bribe; its priests teach for a price; its prophets practice divination for money; yet they lean on the Lord and say, “Is not the Lord in the midst of us? No disaster shall come upon us.” Therefore because of you Zion shall be plowed as a field; Jerusalem shall become a heap of ruins, and the mountain of the house a wooded height. ...

It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and it shall be lifted up above the hills; and peoples shall flow to it, and many nations shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between many peoples, and shall decide disputes for strong nations far away; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore; but they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree, and no one shall make them afraid, for the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken. For all the peoples walk each in the name of its god, but we will walk in the name of the Lord our God forever and ever.
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[AZrailwhale]

How came? Because the USA colonized Hawaii how she once had been a colony on her own? Or because Hawaii attacked the USA and as a revenge you conquered Hawaii about 4000 km (~2500 miles) far from America? Or did you just simple steal Hawaii? ... What means "the USA annexed Hawaii in 1898"? And who had on what reason to accept this annexation?

The US annexed Hawaii just like your home country Germany annexed Burundi, Rwanda, Tanzania, Namibia, Cameroon, Gabon, Central African Republic, Chad, Nigeria, Togo, Ghana, New Guinea, Samoa and the Marshal Islands at about the same time. If the US hadn't annexed Hawaii, the British were going to. At least the US treated the natives in its territories better than the Europeans did. The indigenous people got all the benefits of American citizenship with the sole exception of voting. Of all the American territories, only the Philippines decided to break away from the USA to become independent. Not only did we help them to do so, but spent American lives first defending them, then liberating them from Japan.

 

[Mushroom]

Of all the American territories, only the Philippines decided to break away from the USA to become independent.

Hmmm, not quite true.

There are actually many different levels, ranging from administration zones and commonwealth status, to territories and many others.

Cuba was under the administration of the US, as were Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

Micronesia was one a US trust, but went another route. They still maintain a strong political alliance with the US, and their citizens are not US citizens. Yet their citizens are also free to join the US military.

Micronesia is the most recent and unique I can think of. They are independent, but at the same time keep their close political and military alliances with the US.

 

[Mushroom]

The natives have plenty of say there, and the majority say they don't want to go independent.

Just as the majority in Puerto Rico and Guam do not want to be independent.

Hawaii knew it was going to be absorbed by another nation, their location was just too important. However, ultimately it was their choice that it was the US, by first their passing very favorable trade agreements, then in allowing generous leases for Navy bases to the US. The UK was also more or less "courting" them, but ultimately Hawaii decided they would rather be associated with the US because they knew eventually they could become a state. Where as if they had joined the UK, at most they would only be a colony.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Hmmm, not quite true.

There are actually many different levels, ranging from administration zones and commonwealth status, to territories and many others.

Cuba was under the administration of the US, as were Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

Micronesia was one a US trust, but went another route. They still maintain a strong political alliance with the US, and their citizens are not US citizens. Yet their citizens are also free to join the US military.

Micronesia is the most recent and unique I can think of. They are independent, but at the same time keep their close political and military alliances with the US.

None of those were official Territories.

 

[Mushroom]

None of those were official Territories.

Neither was the Philippines.

It was never a "territory" as the US uses the term. Although that was the first name, as that was the name it was known as when Spain ruled it.

In the US, it was an "Insular Government, as it was an unincorporated territory. Just as Guam, Puerto Rico, etc, etc, etc. Then it became a US Commonwealth.

So you are trying to claim what, because you seem to be trying to argue two different things here. That Philippines was unique because it was a "territory", even though it was never really a "territory". And the Philippines had been on a path to independence since the US took it from Spain. Just as was the case with Cuba. Or when it took administration of Haiti and the Dominican Republic, because it did not want to see a repeat of France when they put an Austrian Archduke in as Emperor of Mexico.

In short, in general use in the US a "Territory" is any other grouping that is not a state. And they range from small plots of land with no inhabitants, to larger ones that want an association with the US but are largely independent. Others are somewhere in between, like Guam and Puerto Rico.

The biggest those two areas have is that neither one has as of yet passed a Provisional State Constitution that passes the court system. Both Guam and Puerto Rico have submitted draft State Constitutions, but they were both declared invalid. Then you have others like Samoa who want statehood also.

 

[DudleySmith]

Aha. Wonderful. And what do they say?



So the "American way" not means to go independent and that's why still the Brits govern the USA.

Already posted a link to the evidence, dumbass.