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[dilloduck]

We are currently in a corporate dominated age.

Corporations have no power that we dont give to them.

that was once true, the beast has outgrown it's leash.
We are now the ones on the leash.

But yes we could have chosen a different path 30 years ago.

agreed---we're way to late.
Corporations control our basic necessities of life.

 

[occupied]

Yeah. What about for those people who want to overthrow business. You know, the ones in the organization you proudly support calling for violence and engaging in it on the streets? What exactly is their motivation not to be violent?

I support no organization of that description.

Oh so youve renounced Occupy Wall Street and it's affiliates?

No just your faulty description, occupy may very well evolve into something violent in the future, so could anything on the right, It all depends on the level of force directed against them by the Powers they oppose and the level of success of non violent means of protest.

 

[Avatar4321]

I support no organization of that description.

Oh so youve renounced Occupy Wall Street and it's affiliates?

No just your faulty description, occupy may very well evolve into something violent in the future, so could anything on the right, It all depends on the level of force directed against them by the Powers they oppose and the level of success of non violent means of protest.

Except they've been violent and stated their desire to use violence to achieve their goals since day one.

 

[dilloduck]

I support no organization of that description.

Oh so youve renounced Occupy Wall Street and it's affiliates?

No just your faulty description, occupy may very well evolve into something violent in the future, so could anything on the right, It all depends on the level of force directed against them by the Powers they oppose and the level of success of non violent means of protest.

What would define success ?

 

[occupied]

Oh so youve renounced Occupy Wall Street and it's affiliates?

No just your faulty description, occupy may very well evolve into something violent in the future, so could anything on the right, It all depends on the level of force directed against them by the Powers they oppose and the level of success of non violent means of protest.

Except they've been violent and stated their desire to use violence to achieve their goals since day one.

No they haven't.

 

[occupied]

Oh so youve renounced Occupy Wall Street and it's affiliates?

No just your faulty description, occupy may very well evolve into something violent in the future, so could anything on the right, It all depends on the level of force directed against them by the Powers they oppose and the level of success of non violent means of protest.

What would define success ?

The tea party gained some seats in congress and flipped the house, Occupy changed the subject of our national dialog, those are considered successes. If all that organization and energy had been met with failure or even horrible setbacks, frustration can lead to change by other means. It's human nature.

 

[Ed Spacer]

Occupy are treasonous anti Americans.

 

[konradv]

Who says we can't possibly see war? I'd like to know. All I see is the construction of a strawman connection between modern culture and war. People living in the past are more prone to starting wars, IMO.

Talk to the people in the civil war thread which has now been moved to "conspiracy theories" because its so outlandish that a civil war could possibly happen in the United States.

Talk to them about what? Sounds like we have a correct movement for change!

 

[occupied]

Occupy are treasonous anti Americans.

They are as American as apple pie, at least what it used to mean to be an American who refuses to bow down to any arbitrary unaccountable non-representative power such as our financial sector.

 

[Neotrotsky]

With thousands of years of human history demonstrating that humans are violent and prone to war, why is it so many of you assume that there is no possible way we will ever see war, civil war, or else?

Nations have risen and fallen for milleniea so why do you think we are somehow the exception to the rule? Why do you think we can ignore the principles of liberty and justice that made us the way we are and instead turn to debauchery, violence, division, and yet somehow remain a people and nation?

There are so many of you who think it's absolutely insane that we could possibly repeat the same consequences that have happened to others throughout human history?

Last century alone had countless nations go through brutal holocausts. Mass genocide. Yet you think we are immune from it here and now. Why?

Other than arrogance, what possible reason is there to believe that we are somehow different than the rest of the human family?

Ours will be like the Fall of Rome
a slow decay, until nothing of what was, is left

 

[occupied]

With thousands of years of human history demonstrating that humans are violent and prone to war, why is it so many of you assume that there is no possible way we will ever see war, civil war, or else?

Nations have risen and fallen for milleniea so why do you think we are somehow the exception to the rule? Why do you think we can ignore the principles of liberty and justice that made us the way we are and instead turn to debauchery, violence, division, and yet somehow remain a people and nation?

There are so many of you who think it's absolutely insane that we could possibly repeat the same consequences that have happened to others throughout human history?

Last century alone had countless nations go through brutal holocausts. Mass genocide. Yet you think we are immune from it here and now. Why?

Other than arrogance, what possible reason is there to believe that we are somehow different than the rest of the human family?

Ours will be like the Fall of Rome
a slow decay, until nothing of what was, is left

We live on an entire planet in decline and we are stuck with leadership who thinks we can find some other way to live an illusion of superiority based on nothing concrete. It's a new century, time to prove we are worthy of the title of "super-power". If we can no longer lead the way in innovation and foresight then it's time to give up the charade and protect what is salvageable, our own people. Screw this global pissing contest if it is going to cost us everything to maintain it. Our imperialist path has cost us dearly.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Occupy are treasonous anti Americans.

They are as American as apple pie, at least what it used to mean to be an American who refuses to bow down to any arbitrary unaccountable non-representative power such as our financial sector.

Sadly, most of the OWS are willing to prostrate themselves before the state
Really, trading one master for another, will gain you nothing

 

[occupied]

Occupy are treasonous anti Americans.

They are as American as apple pie, at least what it used to mean to be an American who refuses to bow down to any arbitrary unaccountable non-representative power such as our financial sector.

Sadly, most of the OWS are willing to prostrate themselves before the state
Really, trading one master for another, will gain you nothing

The financial sector is the state so that's not right. I make little distinction between MIC/Wall Street and it's puppet government.

 

[Neotrotsky]

call it whatever you want
they are just changing masters

 

[sfcalifornia]

With thousands of years of human history demonstrating that humans are violent and prone to war, why is it so many of you assume that there is no possible way we will ever see war, civil war, or else?

Nations have risen and fallen for milleniea so why do you think we are somehow the exception to the rule? Why do you think we can ignore the principles of liberty and justice that made us the way we are and instead turn to debauchery, violence, division, and yet somehow remain a people and nation?

There are so many of you who think it's absolutely insane that we could possibly repeat the same consequences that have happened to others throughout human history?

Last century alone had countless nations go through brutal holocausts. Mass genocide. Yet you think we are immune from it here and now. Why?

Other than arrogance, what possible reason is there to believe that we are somehow different than the rest of the human family?

I don't think it's impossible for America to ever have another civil war. But just like the last civil war America suffered, it was the more sane, rational side who fought for the greater good and eventually prevailed and I'm confident the same side would prevail if America ever suffered another one.

 

[dilloduck]

Occupy are treasonous anti Americans.

They are as American as apple pie, at least what it used to mean to be an American who refuses to bow down to any arbitrary unaccountable non-representative power such as our financial sector.

How are they refusing to bow down ?

 

[bitterlyclingin]

Occupy are treasonous anti Americans.

They are as American as apple pie, at least what it used to mean to be an American who refuses to bow down to any arbitrary unaccountable non-representative power such as our financial sector.

Sadly, most of the OWS are willing to prostrate themselves before the state
Really, trading one master for another, will gain you nothing

"Trading one master for another........"

Naw, I don't really think so. They just covered their roots real good.

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Go back to Jane Goodall's work with the chimps in Kenya's Gombe Reserve where she noted that the chimp band she was studying would routinely patrol the perimeters of its territory attacking and sometimes killing strange chimp intruders.
When she relayed that info to the scientific community upon her return, the scientific community strenuously objected to her findings:
"This can't be true because you have no scientific education!"
"This can't be true because you have no scientific investogatory credentials!"
"This can't be true because if mankind's closest living relative in the wild is inherently warlike, then (Gasp!) mankind must be inherently warlike!"

"You can take the boy out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the boy!"
Germany, in 1933, was the best educated, most culturally advanced, most sophisticated, most civilized nation on the continent of Europe and look what that nation wrought in the following twelve years.Civilization is a very thin veneer.
Look what Barack Obama has managed to do so far. He took the Race and Class Warfare Genie out of its bottle to enable his re election. Gun sales are through the roof. White couples are routinely getting stopped and assaulted. More Americans are ready, willing, and waiting for the signal to start killing one another than at any other time since the Civil War. The trick will be getting that genie back into its bottle after it has done its work.

 

[Katzndogz]

If the occupy movement changed the national dialogue, it lasted about ten minutes because no one cares anymore.

 

[occupied]

Occupy are treasonous anti Americans.

They are as American as apple pie, at least what it used to mean to be an American who refuses to bow down to any arbitrary unaccountable non-representative power such as our financial sector.

How are they refusing to bow down ?

The better question is why is the right so comfortable with that much political power concentrated in the MIC/financial system? They destroy people for a living and the right is not even willing to humbly ask them to not do it so much.

 

[Neotrotsky]

They are as American as apple pie, at least what it used to mean to be an American who refuses to bow down to any arbitrary unaccountable non-representative power such as our financial sector.

How are they refusing to bow down ?

The better question is why is the right so comfortable with that much political power concentrated in the MIC/financial system? They destroy people for a living and the right is not even willing to humbly ask them to not do it so much.

Indeed the "right"

Goldman Sachs was on the biggest contributors to Papa Obama
as well as
JPMorgan Chase & Co
Citigroup Inc
Morgan Stanley

He got money from BP- "Big Oil"
He was the biggest receipt of cash from them
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Again, trading masters for an even bigger gov't will not get you anything
except crony capitalism on hyper speed