Teacher Sues After Being Fired For Refusing To Use Transgender Student’s ‘Preferred Pronoun

[Lysistrata]

What evidence do you have that a child can not recognize they are another gender until they are 18?

What evidence is there that allowing them to begin to transition before puberty is a good idea?

When morons like you want to make changes like this shit the burden is ON YOU to show it's viable and valid.

The student is in high school, puberty generally has started
The evidence I have is that the transition process was ongoing. The teacher was warned about how he should refer to the student and intentionally did otherwise.

It is not up to a teacher to decide whether gender transition should be happening

Even worse, now they are probably disrupting a natural process in the name of junk science.

The teacher used neutral terms. If that isn't good enough for a fascist twat like you and the school board, it's time to burn the system down.

It is not the teachers responsibility to declare transgenderism to be junk science

The decision is up to the student and his parents. This decision is not frivolous and usually will include doctors, psychologists and social workers

The kid will have a hard enough time dealing with fellow students, he doesn’t need a teacher participating

Dear rightwinger
Then keep this issue out of the classrooms to begin with.
When the LEFT doesn't agree with teaching Creationism or prayers or God,
this is REMOVED from the textbooks and classrooms. It's not even allowed in as a choice
for teachers and admin. Students can pray or believe as they want to, but the school staff cannot engage in any such topics.

So why not treat LGBT beliefs the same way?
If these are just as much a PART of the student's identities,
well, so is spiritual identity in believing in God and Christ.

If we are going to start including and IMPOSING LGBT beliefs
but not even ALLOWING Christian beliefs, that is DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF CREED.

Either treat all these 'faith based' beliefs about personal identity EQUALLY
and INCLUDE and ALLOW free speech and expression the same way for all,
or REMOVE them all or AGREE TO HAVE SEPARATE SCHOOLS
(similar to Catholics running their own schools if they want to talk about God and prayer).

If LGBT want to make that part of school policy, then FUND YOUR OWN SCHOOLS
and you can dictate for everyone similar to Catholic schools where people AGREE to the theology taught there!

Being LGBT is not a "faith-based belief," it is a state of being. I know that my being a heterosexual is not "faith-based." A student who is transgendered or otherwise LGBT must be in class, so this issue cannot be kept out of the classroom. I have not heard of one single case in which an LGBT student has made his or her "spiritual identity" an issue, including this one. I've known several LGBTs who are themselves Christian. LGBTs and the Christian faith are not at odds with each other.

Yes, students may pray, but teachers and administrators cannot for the very wise reason that they are adult leaders who might try to proselytize students or give them the impression that their choice of faith is the preferred choice. It's the parents who have the right and responsibility to teach their kids about the family's faith traditions, yet I have heard of cases in which teachers have openly proselytized their students and schools have broadcast sectarian prayers over the loudspeakers into the classrooms and held mandatory assemblies that featured lectures by clergy of a specific sect. Remember, parents are not present with their children in school. Teachers and administrators have plenty of personal time to pursue their beliefs.

 

[martybegan]

What evidence is there that allowing them to begin to transition before puberty is a good idea?

When morons like you want to make changes like this shit the burden is ON YOU to show it's viable and valid.

The student is in high school, puberty generally has started
The evidence I have is that the transition process was ongoing. The teacher was warned about how he should refer to the student and intentionally did otherwise.

It is not up to a teacher to decide whether gender transition should be happening

Even worse, now they are probably disrupting a natural process in the name of junk science.

The teacher used neutral terms. If that isn't good enough for a fascist twat like you and the school board, it's time to burn the system down.

It is not the teachers responsibility to declare transgenderism to be junk science

The decision is up to the student and his parents. This decision is not frivolous and usually will include doctors, psychologists and social workers

The kid will have a hard enough time dealing with fellow students, he doesn’t need a teacher participating

It is not the State's responsibility to pick the exact pronoun a teacher uses to address a student.

The kid is being used as a sacrifice to the Transgender gods.

It is the school, not the state

A school has a responsibility to define teacher conduct. He ignored specific instruction

Public Schools ARE the State (big S, implies the government), and thus fall under the protections people have from the government.

modified to be sure as they are also an employer, but still there nonetheless.

The instruction was bullshit anyway.

 

[martybegan]

What evidence is there that allowing them to begin to transition before puberty is a good idea?

When morons like you want to make changes like this shit the burden is ON YOU to show it's viable and valid.

The student is in high school, puberty generally has started
The evidence I have is that the transition process was ongoing. The teacher was warned about how he should refer to the student and intentionally did otherwise.

It is not up to a teacher to decide whether gender transition should be happening

Even worse, now they are probably disrupting a natural process in the name of junk science.

The teacher used neutral terms. If that isn't good enough for a fascist twat like you and the school board, it's time to burn the system down.

It is not the teachers responsibility to declare transgenderism to be junk science

The decision is up to the student and his parents. This decision is not frivolous and usually will include doctors, psychologists and social workers

The kid will have a hard enough time dealing with fellow students, he doesn’t need a teacher participating

Dear rightwinger
Then keep this issue out of the classrooms to begin with.
When the LEFT doesn't agree with teaching Creationism or prayers or God,
this is REMOVED from the textbooks and classrooms. It's not even allowed in as a choice
for teachers and admin. Students can pray or believe as they want to, but the school staff cannot engage in any such topics.

So why not treat LGBT beliefs the same way?
If these are just as much a PART of the student's identities,
well, so is spiritual identity in believing in God and Christ.

If we are going to start including and IMPOSING LGBT beliefs
but not even ALLOWING Christian beliefs, that is DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF CREED.

Either treat all these 'faith based' beliefs about personal identity EQUALLY
and INCLUDE and ALLOW free speech and expression the same way for all,
or REMOVE them all or AGREE TO HAVE SEPARATE SCHOOLS
(similar to Catholics running their own schools if they want to talk about God and prayer).

If LGBT want to make that part of school policy, then FUND YOUR OWN SCHOOLS
and you can dictate for everyone similar to Catholic schools where people AGREE to the theology taught there!

Emily

It is common courtesy
The child wants to be referred to as a male.

We don’t need separate schools. We need conservatives to stop acting like such Dicks

What if the child wanted to referred to as a fucking dolphin?

 

[Correll]

Vlaming fired back in a lawsuit filed on Monday, accusing the West Point School Board of violating his right to free speech. He said he was fired because he avoided using pronouns all together when referring to the student, who was transitioning to male at the time.

Free speech doesn't mean the option to use hate speech. If he called a Black kid the N word he should be terminated. If he refused to say anything to this trans kid, I'm not so sure what is proper. I'd say just transfer either the kid or the teacher to another class.

Except he just avoided the use of pronouns. He did not call the girl a girl.


I would say the teacher has a good case.

 

[Correll]

Emily

It is common courtesy
The child wants to be referred to as a male.

We don’t need separate schools. We need conservatives to stop acting like such Dicks

Nothing about any rational concept of “common courtesy” supports compelling sane people to play along with the insane delusions of mentally-defective freaks.

It is those of you who want to force sane people to call a girl a boy, who are “acting like such Dicks”.

Yes it is

You are dealing with a child
A child with a lot of pressure and drama in their life

A teacher siding with those who are mocking and taunting a student does not help

Nurturing and encouraging the child's mental illness is not doing her any favors.

 

[rightwinger]

The student is in high school, puberty generally has started
The evidence I have is that the transition process was ongoing. The teacher was warned about how he should refer to the student and intentionally did otherwise.

It is not up to a teacher to decide whether gender transition should be happening

Even worse, now they are probably disrupting a natural process in the name of junk science.

The teacher used neutral terms. If that isn't good enough for a fascist twat like you and the school board, it's time to burn the system down.

It is not the teachers responsibility to declare transgenderism to be junk science

The decision is up to the student and his parents. This decision is not frivolous and usually will include doctors, psychologists and social workers

The kid will have a hard enough time dealing with fellow students, he doesn’t need a teacher participating

It is not the State's responsibility to pick the exact pronoun a teacher uses to address a student.

The kid is being used as a sacrifice to the Transgender gods.

It is the school, not the state

A school has a responsibility to define teacher conduct. He ignored specific instruction

Public Schools ARE the State (big S, implies the government), and thus fall under the protections people have from the government.

modified to be sure as they are also an employer, but still there nonetheless.

The instruction was bullshit anyway.

In that case the State is the employer and the employer makes the rules

You break the rules, you are subject to termination

 

[rightwinger]

Emily

It is common courtesy
The child wants to be referred to as a male.

We don’t need separate schools. We need conservatives to stop acting like such Dicks

Nothing about any rational concept of “common courtesy” supports compelling sane people to play along with the insane delusions of mentally-defective freaks.

It is those of you who want to force sane people to call a girl a boy, who are “acting like such Dicks”.

Yes it is

You are dealing with a child
A child with a lot of pressure and drama in their life

A teacher siding with those who are mocking and taunting a student does not help

Nurturing and encouraging the child's mental illness is not doing her any favors.

Neither is forcing a child into a sexuality just to please you or the people in the community

 

[martybegan]

Even worse, now they are probably disrupting a natural process in the name of junk science.

The teacher used neutral terms. If that isn't good enough for a fascist twat like you and the school board, it's time to burn the system down.

It is not the teachers responsibility to declare transgenderism to be junk science

The decision is up to the student and his parents. This decision is not frivolous and usually will include doctors, psychologists and social workers

The kid will have a hard enough time dealing with fellow students, he doesn’t need a teacher participating

It is not the State's responsibility to pick the exact pronoun a teacher uses to address a student.

The kid is being used as a sacrifice to the Transgender gods.

It is the school, not the state

A school has a responsibility to define teacher conduct. He ignored specific instruction

Public Schools ARE the State (big S, implies the government), and thus fall under the protections people have from the government.

modified to be sure as they are also an employer, but still there nonetheless.

The instruction was bullshit anyway.

In that case the State is the employer and the employer makes the rules

You break the rules, you are subject to termination

The rule is retarded. The teacher followed the rule to the best of their ability by using neutral terms.

That being not good enough is the fault of smarmy SJW twits like you, proto-fascists who desire reality to give way to feeewings and utter bullshit.

 

[martybegan]

Emily

It is common courtesy
The child wants to be referred to as a male.

We don’t need separate schools. We need conservatives to stop acting like such Dicks

Nothing about any rational concept of “common courtesy” supports compelling sane people to play along with the insane delusions of mentally-defective freaks.

It is those of you who want to force sane people to call a girl a boy, who are “acting like such Dicks”.

Yes it is

You are dealing with a child
A child with a lot of pressure and drama in their life

A teacher siding with those who are mocking and taunting a student does not help

Nurturing and encouraging the child's mental illness is not doing her any favors.

Neither is forcing a child into a sexuality just to please you or the people in the community

This isn't about sexuality, it is about a person thinking the pipes don't match the programming.

How about the best interest of the child? Sorry but accepting your assigned sex is far better than having to mutilate the person to give them the illusion of being their "true" gender.

 

[rightwinger]

Emily

It is common courtesy
The child wants to be referred to as a male.

We don’t need separate schools. We need conservatives to stop acting like such Dicks

Nothing about any rational concept of “common courtesy” supports compelling sane people to play along with the insane delusions of mentally-defective freaks.

It is those of you who want to force sane people to call a girl a boy, who are “acting like such Dicks”.

Yes it is

You are dealing with a child
A child with a lot of pressure and drama in their life

A teacher siding with those who are mocking and taunting a student does not help

Nurturing and encouraging the child's mental illness is not doing her any favors.

Neither is forcing a child into a sexuality just to please you or the people in the community

This isn't about sexuality, it is about a person thinking the pipes don't match the programming.

How about the best interest of the child? Sorry but accepting your assigned sex is far better than having to mutilate the person to give them the illusion of being their "true" gender.

We said the same thing about homosexuality

Just pretend you are straight, it will be easier on you
Nobody will know the difference

 

[martybegan]

Nothing about any rational concept of “common courtesy” supports compelling sane people to play along with the insane delusions of mentally-defective freaks.

It is those of you who want to force sane people to call a girl a boy, who are “acting like such Dicks”.

Yes it is

You are dealing with a child
A child with a lot of pressure and drama in their life

A teacher siding with those who are mocking and taunting a student does not help

Nurturing and encouraging the child's mental illness is not doing her any favors.

Neither is forcing a child into a sexuality just to please you or the people in the community

This isn't about sexuality, it is about a person thinking the pipes don't match the programming.

How about the best interest of the child? Sorry but accepting your assigned sex is far better than having to mutilate the person to give them the illusion of being their "true" gender.

We said we ge same thing about homosexuality

Just pretend you are straight, it will be easier on you
Nobody will know the difference

The difference is being gay doesn't require you to mutilate yourself to pretend you are something you are not.

Trying to equate gender dysphoria with sexuality is just as dumb as trying to equate sexuality with race.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Nothing about any rational concept of “common courtesy” supports compelling sane people to play along with the insane delusions of mentally-defective freaks.

It is those of you who want to force sane people to call a girl a boy, who are “acting like such Dicks”.

Yes it is

You are dealing with a child
A child with a lot of pressure and drama in their life

A teacher siding with those who are mocking and taunting a student does not help

Nurturing and encouraging the child's mental illness is not doing her any favors.

Neither is forcing a child into a sexuality just to please you or the people in the community

This isn't about sexuality, it is about a person thinking the pipes don't match the programming.

How about the best interest of the child? Sorry but accepting your assigned sex is far better than having to mutilate the person to give them the illusion of being their "true" gender.

We said we ge same thing about homosexuality

Just pretend you are straight, it will be easier on you
Nobody will know the difference

"We" said?

are you suffering from multiple personality disorder again, rightwinger?

The issue here has to do with firing a teacher for referring to a kid in a truthful fashion. I realize your intellect does not extend beyond your allegiance to your tribe, but we have truly entered Orwellian times when authoritarian power is being used to dismiss a teacher for daring to speak truthfully.

Nobody has taken away any rights for the transsexual -- only the teacher, here.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The student is in high school, puberty generally has started
The evidence I have is that the transition process was ongoing. The teacher was warned about how he should refer to the student and intentionally did otherwise.

It is not up to a teacher to decide whether gender transition should be happening

Even worse, now they are probably disrupting a natural process in the name of junk science.

The teacher used neutral terms. If that isn't good enough for a fascist twat like you and the school board, it's time to burn the system down.

It is not the teachers responsibility to declare transgenderism to be junk science

The decision is up to the student and his parents. This decision is not frivolous and usually will include doctors, psychologists and social workers

The kid will have a hard enough time dealing with fellow students, he doesn’t need a teacher participating

Dear rightwinger
Then keep this issue out of the classrooms to begin with.
When the LEFT doesn't agree with teaching Creationism or prayers or God,
this is REMOVED from the textbooks and classrooms. It's not even allowed in as a choice
for teachers and admin. Students can pray or believe as they want to, but the school staff cannot engage in any such topics.

So why not treat LGBT beliefs the same way?
If these are just as much a PART of the student's identities,
well, so is spiritual identity in believing in God and Christ.

If we are going to start including and IMPOSING LGBT beliefs
but not even ALLOWING Christian beliefs, that is DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF CREED.

Either treat all these 'faith based' beliefs about personal identity EQUALLY
and INCLUDE and ALLOW free speech and expression the same way for all,
or REMOVE them all or AGREE TO HAVE SEPARATE SCHOOLS
(similar to Catholics running their own schools if they want to talk about God and prayer).

If LGBT want to make that part of school policy, then FUND YOUR OWN SCHOOLS
and you can dictate for everyone similar to Catholic schools where people AGREE to the theology taught there!

Emily

It is common courtesy
The child wants to be referred to as a male.

We don’t need separate schools. We need conservatives to stop acting like such Dicks

What if the child wanted to referred to as a fucking dolphin?

I would demand to be referred to as "Your Excellency".

 

[Dogmaphobe]

 

[martybegan]

Even worse, now they are probably disrupting a natural process in the name of junk science.

The teacher used neutral terms. If that isn't good enough for a fascist twat like you and the school board, it's time to burn the system down.

It is not the teachers responsibility to declare transgenderism to be junk science

The decision is up to the student and his parents. This decision is not frivolous and usually will include doctors, psychologists and social workers

The kid will have a hard enough time dealing with fellow students, he doesn’t need a teacher participating

Dear rightwinger
Then keep this issue out of the classrooms to begin with.
When the LEFT doesn't agree with teaching Creationism or prayers or God,
this is REMOVED from the textbooks and classrooms. It's not even allowed in as a choice
for teachers and admin. Students can pray or believe as they want to, but the school staff cannot engage in any such topics.

So why not treat LGBT beliefs the same way?
If these are just as much a PART of the student's identities,
well, so is spiritual identity in believing in God and Christ.

If we are going to start including and IMPOSING LGBT beliefs
but not even ALLOWING Christian beliefs, that is DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF CREED.

Either treat all these 'faith based' beliefs about personal identity EQUALLY
and INCLUDE and ALLOW free speech and expression the same way for all,
or REMOVE them all or AGREE TO HAVE SEPARATE SCHOOLS
(similar to Catholics running their own schools if they want to talk about God and prayer).

If LGBT want to make that part of school policy, then FUND YOUR OWN SCHOOLS
and you can dictate for everyone similar to Catholic schools where people AGREE to the theology taught there!

Emily

It is common courtesy
The child wants to be referred to as a male.

We don’t need separate schools. We need conservatives to stop acting like such Dicks

What if the child wanted to referred to as a fucking dolphin?

I would demand to be referred to as "Your Excellency".

Don't let them off easy. Demand to be referred to as "His high and royal mightyness, grand poobah, big chief muckety-muck"

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

It is not the teachers responsibility to declare transgenderism to be junk science

The decision is up to the student and his parents. This decision is not frivolous and usually will include doctors, psychologists and social workers

The kid will have a hard enough time dealing with fellow students, he doesn’t need a teacher participating

Dear rightwinger
Then keep this issue out of the classrooms to begin with.
When the LEFT doesn't agree with teaching Creationism or prayers or God,
this is REMOVED from the textbooks and classrooms. It's not even allowed in as a choice
for teachers and admin. Students can pray or believe as they want to, but the school staff cannot engage in any such topics.

So why not treat LGBT beliefs the same way?
If these are just as much a PART of the student's identities,
well, so is spiritual identity in believing in God and Christ.

If we are going to start including and IMPOSING LGBT beliefs
but not even ALLOWING Christian beliefs, that is DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF CREED.

Either treat all these 'faith based' beliefs about personal identity EQUALLY
and INCLUDE and ALLOW free speech and expression the same way for all,
or REMOVE them all or AGREE TO HAVE SEPARATE SCHOOLS
(similar to Catholics running their own schools if they want to talk about God and prayer).

If LGBT want to make that part of school policy, then FUND YOUR OWN SCHOOLS
and you can dictate for everyone similar to Catholic schools where people AGREE to the theology taught there!

Emily

It is common courtesy
The child wants to be referred to as a male.

We don’t need separate schools. We need conservatives to stop acting like such Dicks

What if the child wanted to referred to as a fucking dolphin?

I would demand to be referred to as "Your Excellency".

Don't let them off easy. Demand to be referred to as "His high and royal mightyness, grand poobah, big chief muckety-muck"

Better yet, "My Master."

 

[rightwinger]

Yes it is

You are dealing with a child
A child with a lot of pressure and drama in their life

A teacher siding with those who are mocking and taunting a student does not help

Nurturing and encouraging the child's mental illness is not doing her any favors.

Neither is forcing a child into a sexuality just to please you or the people in the community

This isn't about sexuality, it is about a person thinking the pipes don't match the programming.

How about the best interest of the child? Sorry but accepting your assigned sex is far better than having to mutilate the person to give them the illusion of being their "true" gender.

We said we ge same thing about homosexuality

Just pretend you are straight, it will be easier on you
Nobody will know the difference

The difference is being gay doesn't require you to mutilate yourself to pretend you are something you are not.

Trying to equate gender dysphoria with sexuality is just as dumb as trying to equate sexuality with race.

What difference does it make?

 

[Correll]

Emily

It is common courtesy
The child wants to be referred to as a male.

We don’t need separate schools. We need conservatives to stop acting like such Dicks

Nothing about any rational concept of “common courtesy” supports compelling sane people to play along with the insane delusions of mentally-defective freaks.

It is those of you who want to force sane people to call a girl a boy, who are “acting like such Dicks”.

Yes it is

You are dealing with a child
A child with a lot of pressure and drama in their life

A teacher siding with those who are mocking and taunting a student does not help

Nurturing and encouraging the child's mental illness is not doing her any favors.

Neither is forcing a child into a sexuality just to please you or the people in the community

It's not about pleasing me, or "the people".

And the teacher was willing to avoid pronouns so as to not "trigger" the mentally ill girl.

 

[Lysistrata]

“Defendants made up an uncompromising interpretation of their policies to compel Mr. Vlaming to take sides in an ongoing public debate regarding gender dysphoria and use pronouns that express an objectively untrue ideological message,” the lawsuit says. “Mr. Vlaming’s conscience and religious practice prohibits him from intentionally lying, and he sincerely believes that referring to a female student as a male by using an objectively male pronoun is telling a lie.”

What "ongoing debate regarding gender dysphoria" is actually occurring? The student, his parents, and the medical professionals they consult have a right to proceed the way they wish. They are not "debating" anyone and I would hazard a guess that they don't give a rat's ass about someone who has ideological problems with their course of action. This teacher had no right to force his way into this student's life, especially since he was instructed not to do so. We don't even know what religion this teacher belongs to. If we did, it really wouldn't make any difference.

 

[SweetSue92]

Nothing about any rational concept of “common courtesy” supports compelling sane people to play along with the insane delusions of mentally-defective freaks.

It is those of you who want to force sane people to call a girl a boy, who are “acting like such Dicks”.

Yes it is

You are dealing with a child
A child with a lot of pressure and drama in their life

A teacher siding with those who are mocking and taunting a student does not help

Nurturing and encouraging the child's mental illness is not doing her any favors.

Neither is forcing a child into a sexuality just to please you or the people in the community

This isn't about sexuality, it is about a person thinking the pipes don't match the programming.

How about the best interest of the child? Sorry but accepting your assigned sex is far better than having to mutilate the person to give them the illusion of being their "true" gender.

We said the same thing about homosexuality

Just pretend you are straight, it will be easier on you
Nobody will know the difference

You only celebrate the delusions because they're sexual, you know.

No one celebrates them when a woman walks around at 70 lbs thinking she's fat, but it's basically the very same thing.