Tea Party Lunacy Infects US Military

[Vast LWC]

It's not treason until they lose. To remove an incompetent and highly deranged leader from a position of power is the highest act of patriotism.

No, it's still treason.

In fact, it's the very definition of treason.

And since the apparatus of voting still exists, and there is no actual "derangement" going on, there is no possible world in which your definition of "patriotism" actually applies, except the sick alternate bizarro-world reality that exists in your mind.

Now, go back to your militia buddies, and stop getting yourself put on the DHS watchlist.

 

[gallantwarrior]

And you do not consider giving aid and comfort to the enemy treasonous? You do not consider lying under oath to defend the Constitution to be treasonous?

"Giving aid and comfort" to WHAT "enemy"?

Osama Bin Laden? Oh, no, that's right...

And "lying under oath to defend the Constitution"?

What the hell does that mean?

Seriously? He apologizes, repeatedly, to a bunch of zealots because some paper and ink was burned, but makes no demand that the perpetrators who killed several of our soldiers in cold blood be brought to justice.
He allows our military members to be disarmed in a combat zone, in the face of imminent danger because their "Afghan" counterparts might feel left out? Lots of treason, lots of desertion of his troops in the face of danger. LOADS of comforting the enemy. But we have to accept that the enemy is muslim...just like him. Our troops are nothing but a photo op when it suits his political purposes.
To this day, no credible witness has come forth who actually SAW him swear his oath. Not that it would matter whether he did, since muslim doctrine apparently makes it obligatory to shit on any oath that does not directly cowtow to islaamic principles.

 

[The T]

There is ONE order that i know would get the attention of many of our military, and cause them to disobey. If they had to fight against their own people.....

People talk of revolting, and we all know if that happened Obama would send out the troops! IF that happened, i think our govt would get a big surprise.

I'm thinking his handlers know better than to use our troops. We'd more likely see UN troops set loose, or maybe his Mexican cartel brownshirts, who seem to be expanding their territory throughout the US.

The minute we saw Blue-Helmeted Bozos in our streets means our soverigney is over.

I will fight to the death to keep that from happening.

 

[gallantwarrior]

There is ONE order that i know would get the attention of many of our military, and cause them to disobey. If they had to fight against their own people.....

People talk of revolting, and we all know if that happened Obama would send out the troops! IF that happened, i think our govt would get a big surprise.

I'm thinking his handlers know better than to use our troops. We'd more likely see UN troops set loose, or maybe his Mexican cartel brownshirts, who seem to be expanding their territory throughout the US.

The minute we saw Blue-Helmeted Bozos in our streets means our soverigney is over.

I will fight to the death to keep that from happening.

I will stand proudly by your side!

 

[Vast LWC]

I'm thinking his handlers know better than to use our troops. We'd more likely see UN troops set loose, or maybe his Mexican cartel brownshirts, who seem to be expanding their territory throughout the US.

WOW! Are those parts of actual current conspiracy theories? That's amazing.

Where can I read some of that craziness? I'm always up for a laugh.

 

[Vast LWC]

Seriously? He apologizes, repeatedly, to a bunch of zealots because some paper and ink was burned, but makes no demand that the perpetrators who killed several of our soldiers in cold blood be brought to justice.
He allows our military members to be disarmed in a combat zone, in the face of imminent danger because their "Afghan" counterparts might feel left out? Lots of treason, lots of desertion of his troops in the face of danger. LOADS of comforting the enemy. But we have to accept that the enemy is muslim...just like him. Our troops are nothing but a photo op when it suits his political purposes.
To this day, no credible witness has come forth who actually SAW him swear his oath. Not that it would matter whether he did, since muslim doctrine apparently makes it obligatory to shit on any oath that does not directly cowtow to islaamic principles.

Yeah, none of that is treason. Sorry. Just not treason.

He didn't desert any troops in the combat zone. Things get complicated when you're handling two occupations that your predecessor handed you.

Not to mention that the second part of that is just... insane.

Seriously you're crazy. You should really seek help.

 

[The T]

I'm thinking his handlers know better than to use our troops. We'd more likely see UN troops set loose, or maybe his Mexican cartel brownshirts, who seem to be expanding their territory throughout the US.

The minute we saw Blue-Helmeted Bozos in our streets means our soverigney is over.

I will fight to the death to keep that from happening.

I will stand proudly by your side!

You stand with millions of us brother.

 

[Vast LWC]

OK, I'm going to slowly back out of this thread, so that I don't look bad for even being associated with it.

You guys just keep on being bat-shit insane, I guess.

Good luck boarding your next airplane!

 

[The T]

OK, I'm going to slowly back out of this thread, so that I don't look bad for even being associated with it.

You guys just keep on being bat-shit insane, I guess.

Good luck boarding your next airplane!

*I* WILL. I am vetted.

 

[gallantwarrior]

OK, I'm going to slowly back out of this thread, so that I don't look bad for even being associated with it.

You guys just keep on being bat-shit insane, I guess.

Good luck boarding your next airplane!

Hey, shit-fer-brains! I board 3-5 airplanes each and every night I work. I get up close and personal with aircraft, crew, cargo and baggage, operate in the very bowels of an international airport.

 

[Vast LWC]

Hey, shit-fer-brains! I board 3-5 airplanes each and every night I work. I get up close and personal with aircraft, crew, cargo and baggage, operate in the very bowels of an international airport.

Wow, then I might suggest deleting every post you made in this thread.

If you'd like, I'll also delete my references to your posts.

Because, in all honesty, you're jeopardizing your job by saying shit like you just did. And you should really watch that.

I'm not saying that to make a political point, I'm saying that out of concern.

 

[NLT]

I did 22 years in the Navy in which I am exteremely proud of. If I was active now, I would have a hard time not speaking out on this CIC. He is IMO, an extereme leftist, extremely anti-military, anti-capaitalist, pro -muslim, anti-christian, pro-socialism, pro LGBT agenda though they are a tiny minority.

My son is joining the Navy in June and I hope to hell by Jan 2013 we have a CIC thats truly repects the Military. Just my opinon, take it or leave it.

 

[The T]

I did 22 years in the Navy in which I am exteremely proud of. If I was active now, I would have a hard time not speaking out on this CIC. He is IMO, an extereme leftist, extremely anti-military, anti-capaitalist, pro -muslim, anti-christian, pro-socialism, pro LGBT agenda though they are a tiny minority.

My son is joining the Navy in June and I hope to hell by Jan 2013 we have a CIC thats truly repects the Military. Just my opinon, take it or leave it.

I share in your optimism. Kudos to you and your son. My family has been in it from the start of the Republic.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Hey, shit-fer-brains! I board 3-5 airplanes each and every night I work. I get up close and personal with aircraft, crew, cargo and baggage, operate in the very bowels of an international airport.

Wow, then I might suggest deleting every post you made in this thread.

If you'd like, I'll also delete my references to your posts.

Because, in all honesty, you're jeopardizing your job by saying shit like you just did. And you should really watch that.

I'm not saying that to make a political point, I'm saying that out of concern.

I'm not worried. I've been here many, many years. I've passed my background checks. If it got so bad that I would lose my job, I probably would not want that job any longer, anyhow. I have a fall-back plan, I have plenty of fuel and food set aside....and I have plenty of ammo. I may not survive, but I will most certainly take a sizable honor guard with me. You or any of your pinko slag cohorts still want to come and try confiscating what is mine? I promise, I will do the polite thing, I will unload my weapons first.

 

[The T]

Hey, shit-fer-brains! I board 3-5 airplanes each and every night I work. I get up close and personal with aircraft, crew, cargo and baggage, operate in the very bowels of an international airport.

Wow, then I might suggest deleting every post you made in this thread.

If you'd like, I'll also delete my references to your posts.

Because, in all honesty, you're jeopardizing your job by saying shit like you just did. And you should really watch that.

I'm not saying that to make a political point, I'm saying that out of concern.

I'm not worried. I've been here many, many years. I've passed my background checks. If it got so bad that I would lose my job, I probably would not want that job any longer, anyhow. I have a fall-back plan, I have plenty of fuel and food set aside....and I have plenty of ammo. I may not survive, but I will most certainly take a sizable honor guard with me. You or any of your pinko slag cohorts still want to come and try confiscating what is mine? I promise, I will do the polite thing, I will unload my weapons first.

In my job...I know what it is like to have a microsope shoved up yer butt so I can do my job...it's rather astounding. Kinda like having a TS clearence I had to have in the USAF...but larger since I am now a civilian.

 

[HUGGY]

This kind of thread is what a carnivore eats for breakfast.

FBI's CARNIVORE SYSTEM DISRUPTED ANTI-TERROR INVESTIGATION
INTERNAL MEMO CALLS OVER-COLLECTION OF DATA PART OF "PATTERN" SHOWING "INABILITY OF THE FBI TO MANAGE" FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE WIRETAPS

WASHINGTON, DC -- An FBI anti-terrorism investigation possibly involving Usama bin Laden was hampered by technical flaws in the Bureau's controversial Carnivore Internet surveillance system. The incident, which occurred in March 2000, is described in newly-released FBI documents obtained under court order by the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC). A written report describes the incident as part of a "pattern" indicating "an inability on the part of the FBI to manage" its foreign intelligence surveillance activities.

An internal FBI e-mail message dated April 5, 2000, and sent to M. E. (Spike) Bowman, Associate General Counsel for National Security Affairs, recounts how the Carnivore "software was turned on and did not work correctly." The surveillance system captured not only the electronic communications of the court-authorized target, "but also picked up E-Mails on non-covered" individuals, a violation of federal wiretap law. According to the Bureau document, the "FBI technical person was apparently so upset that he destroyed all the E-Mail take, including the take on [the authorized target]."

The botched surveillance was performed by the FBI's International Terrorism Operations Section (ITOS) and its "UBL Unit," which refers to the government's official designation of bin Laden. The Bureau document indicates that an official at the Justice Department's Office of Intelligence Policy and Review (whose name has been deleted) became aware of the problem, and "To state that she is unhappy with ITOS and the UBL Unit would be an understatement of incredible proportions."

The reported problem apparently was not the first to arise during the course of FBI implementation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The internal document concludes its report of the "UBL Unit" incident by noting, "When you add this story to the FISA mistakes covered in [another, unreleased document], you have a pattern of occurrences which indicate to OIPR an inability on the part of the FBI to manage its FISAs."

Two Bureau documents written one week later discuss Carnivore's tendency to cause "the improper capture of data," and note that "uch unauthorized interceptions not only can violate a citizen's privacy but also can seriously 'contaminate' onging investigations" and that such interceptions are "unlawful." An FBI lawyer (whose name has been deleted) writes that the Bureau must "go out of our way to avoid tripping over innocent third party communications." The lawyer concludes, "I am not sure how we can proceed to test [Carnivore] without inadvertently intercepting the communications of others, but we really need to try."

The Bureau lawyer notes that "missteps under FISA lead to mandatory reporting to the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and such errancies must be reported/explained/justified to Congress." The documents do not indicate whether the "UBL Unit" incident was reported to either body.

Since its existence became public in 2000, the Carnivore system has been criticized by EPIC and other privacy groups, as well as members of Congress, because it gives the FBI unprecedented, direct access to the data networks of Internet service providers. The FBI has publicly downplayed the system's potential for over-collection of private communications, although internal documents released earlier to EPIC confirmed such a risk. An independent review of Carnivore commissioned by the Justice Department also found that the system is capable of "broad sweeps" and recommended technical changes to address the problem. Neither DOJ nor the FBI has indicated publicly whether those recommendations were ever implemented.

The newly-released FBI documents were provided to EPIC on Friday, May 24, in response to a court order issued by U.S. District Judge James Robertson in the privacy group's ongoing Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking the disclosure of material concerning Carnivore. The order directed the Bureau to conduct a second search for relevant documents after EPIC successfully argued (over the Bureau's objections) that an initial FBI search was inadequate and likely overlooked responsive records.

The case is being litigated by EPIC's General Counsel, David Sobel, who said, "These documents confirm what many of us have believed for two years -- Carnivore is a powerful but clumsy tool that endangers the privacy of innocent American citizens. We have now learned that its imprecision can also jeopardize important investigations, including those involving terrorism." Sobel added, "As we suggested when it first became public, Carnivore's use should be suspended until the questions surrounding it finally can be resolved. Our FOIA lawsuit shows that there's a great deal about Carnivore that we still don't know."

The newly-released FBI documents are available at:

EPIC Carnivore Page

 

[Vast LWC]

I'm not worried. I've been here many, many years. I've passed my background checks. If it got so bad that I would lose my job, I probably would not want that job any longer, anyhow. I have a fall-back plan, I have plenty of fuel and food set aside....and I have plenty of ammo. I may not survive, but I will most certainly take a sizable honor guard with me. You or any of your pinko slag cohorts still want to come and try confiscating what is mine? I promise, I will do the polite thing, I will unload my weapons first.

LOL, alright. You know these discussions can show a big difference of opinion, but I don't want anyone to have any serious consequences due to it.

Just looking out. But if you're good, then it's all good.

 

[Vast LWC]

This kind of thread is what a carnivore eats for breakfast.

Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was talking about.

And, to anyone that reads this, let me point out that I am definitely on the side of NOT having a coup.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I'm not worried. I've been here many, many years. I've passed my background checks. If it got so bad that I would lose my job, I probably would not want that job any longer, anyhow. I have a fall-back plan, I have plenty of fuel and food set aside....and I have plenty of ammo. I may not survive, but I will most certainly take a sizable honor guard with me. You or any of your pinko slag cohorts still want to come and try confiscating what is mine? I promise, I will do the polite thing, I will unload my weapons first.

LOL, alright. You know these discussions can show a big difference of opinion, but I don't want anyone to have any serious consequences due to it.

Just looking out. But if you're good, then it's all good.

Thanks for your consideration. Unless, you believe that this administration would actually punish a citizen for having an opposing opinion?

 

[Caroljo]

I'm thinking his handlers know better than to use our troops. We'd more likely see UN troops set loose, or maybe his Mexican cartel brownshirts, who seem to be expanding their territory throughout the US.

The minute we saw Blue-Helmeted Bozos in our streets means our soverigney is over.

I will fight to the death to keep that from happening.

I will stand proudly by your side!

And i was concerned about how many guns my husband has bought! Lol! Of course 3/4 of them are black powder, a little "slower" to load. but we also have a TON of knives!!!