Staggering climate contradiction - data that can be fudged says "warming," data that cannot be fudged says "no warming"

[Seymour Flops]

On snow levels of where he hangs out, yes.

This isn't difficult. Why is it causing you problems?

That's typical of the kind of "science" that Democrats tell us we should be basing economic policy on.

 

[Donald H]

Tides are driven by the Moon, not carbon dioxide ... besides, wind waves get higher, not to mention tsunamis ...

You don't know what sea level is? ... go look at a lake, no wind, no tides, perfectly level ...

Some lakes have tides.

 

[ReinyDays]

Some lakes have tides.

Your dodging the issue ... where is sea level 50 foot different? ...

Average tide on Earth is 3 feet over 6,000 miles ... not many lakes have that much exposure to tidal forces ... what you're seeing is wind waves and probably some boat wakes for a lake that large ... we'll be seeing three foot waves in Lake Erie all week long ...

Only part of the problem is sea level rise ... places like the East Coast are also sinking into the Atlantic ... New Orleans was 10 feet above sea level when it was founded ... now it's 15 feet below sea level ... only a foot or two is due to thermal expansion in the oceans ...

 

[Donald H]

Your dodging the issue ... where is sea level 50 foot different? ...

I provided the location.

Average tide on Earth is 3 feet over 6,000 miles ... not many lakes have that much exposure to tidal forces

I made no claims on the tide range on lakes. I simply informed you that some lakes experience tides. Actually, to be technically correct, all lakes experience some amount of tide change.

... what you're seeing is wind waves and probably some boat wakes for a lake that large ...

No, you have been iniformed of the facts.

we'll be seeing three foot waves in Lake Erie all week long ...

You're inventing the '3' feet.

Only part of the problem is sea level rise ... places like the East Coast are also sinking into the Atlantic ... New Orleans was 10 feet above sea level when it was founded ... now it's 15 feet below sea level ... only a foot or two is due to thermal expansion in the oceans ...

Change the subject with another thread.

 

[ReinyDays]

I provided the location.

You posted tides ...

I made no claims on the tide range on lakes. I simply informed you that some lakes experience tides. Actually, to be technically correct, all lakes experience some amount of tide change.

No, you have been iniformed of the facts.

You're inventing the '3' feet.

NDBC - National Weather Service Marine Forecast FZUS61 KCLE

National Weather Service Marine Forecast FZUS61 KCLE provided via the National Data Buoy Center (NDBC) website.

www.ndbc.noaa.gov

Change the subject with another thread.

Science says sea levels rise equally around the globe ... because gravity is equal all around the globe ... just because you don't understand basic physics doesn't mean it's not true ... "50 feet sea level difference" is in error, that's not how natural forces behave ...

 

[mamooth]

So, the measurements up to FDR's time are invalid?

You just keep getting dumber.

The funny part is that you probably think you're intelligent.

Dunning-Kruger.

Or do you have proof that it is not?

Sure.

1940, anomaly is about ... 0.0C

Now it's about 1.5C

Math. It's apparently just for liberals.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You just keep getting dumber.

The funny part is that you probably think you're intelligent.

Dunning-Kruger.


Sure.

1940, anomaly is about ... 0.0C

Now it's about 1.5C

Math. It's apparently just for liberals.

"Anomoly?"

You're just blurting random words, now.

 

[EMH]

You blew your credibility with the photos of the statue showing 100 years apart. Have someone else explain that for you.

Translation = the Co2 FRAUD claims "ocean rise" but the actual oceans are not rising at all, and when asked for PHOTOS documenting "ocean rise" there are NONE except from islands in the South Pacific approaching PROF....

 

[EMH]

That's right and it is why you never see me making those dumb claims.

OK, since you accept the truth of Hawaiian temp data showing NO WARMING, then is the Pacific Ocean "warming?"

NO, because if it was, Hawaii would be too....

 

[EMH]

Most of the research done by Lindzen and other scientists he partnered with were about the Equator and not about ice.

and that's why those fraud "skeptics" never get the truth out... the Land Near the Poles theory.

 

[EMH]

essentially every climate scientist was correctly saying the earth was warming. That fact is not debtable

It is a fact that the taxpayer funded left wing Zionist Fascist fudgebaking liars you call "climate scientists" say the Earth is warming, but none will answer the most basic questions about Earth climate change, because their theory is completely wrong, as is their claim of "warming," which Earth is not.

That is why the entire Zionist Fascist "media" censors the most basic questions the Co2 FRAUD cannot and will not answer, or allow to be asked...

Any honest media person with the courage to actually ask climate questions?

Apparently not. Not on Faux Not on RAV or OANN What questions will the media never ask? 1. Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the ice of the other? 2. Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but no such ice age glacier north of Arctic Circle on Alaska...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[mamooth]

It is a fact that the taxpayer funded left wing Zionist Fascist

Cool, you're not dead from COVID. That's unexpected.

 

[EMH]

Cool, you're not dead from COVID. That's unexpected.

Covid killed like a normal flu season.

The Murderous Fraud Vax is the real killer.

As a Jew Supremacist Zionist Fascist traitor, you have a CHOSEN "vax card," but you were yet even more CHOSEN to NOT GET THE SHOT....



EMH did not get the shot either.... LOL!!!

 

[Libby von H]

Let's start with ocean temps.

We all know the Co2 Fraud claims "warmest ever ocean temps" just about every year. If so, then hurricanes would be breaking out. But the strongest decade for canes is still the 1940s...

U.S. Hurricane Strikes by Decade

Just last summer was "warmest ever." But the cane season was a complete DUD, with just one Atlantic cane reaching Cat 5 for a total of about 15 hours. Water off FLA was called "warmest ever" yet two canes got near FLA and neither got to Cat 5. In 1938, a Cat 5 got to LONG ISLAND, like NEW YORK, a bit further north...

So here we have a classic "what can be fudged and what cannot." It is hard to "fudge" a cane, although cane strength can be "fudged" and in 2014 it was, at least with one "cat 5" that did ABSOLUTELY NO DAMAGE to Mexico when "it hit as a Cat 5."

It is easy to FUDGE a temperature chart. There is a complete contradiction with the claim of "warmest ever ocean temps" and NO BREAKOUT IN CANES....


from Google

1. The first condition is that ocean waters must be above 26 degrees Celsius (79 degrees Fahrenheit). Below this threshold temperature, hurricanes will not form


HELLO. If the average temp was RISING there would be MORE CANES. THERE ARE NOT MORE CANES.

Hence the claim of "ocean temp rise" is CONTRADICTED/REFUTED by Canes.

It isn't hard to figure out what is going on. The oceans are NOT WARMING and the CANES VALIDATE that claim.

The only "evidence" of "ocean warming" is 100% pure FUDGED FRAUD.




Ditto for "ocean rise." The Co2 FRAUD claims "ocean rise." If there was an ongoing net ice melt on planet Earth, oceans WOULD RISE. They AREN'T. Once again, what can be fudged "ocean rise charts" and what CANNOT BE FUDGED.... actual photos documenting NO OCEAN RISE....

Statue of Liberty
Hawaii 5-0 beach
Venice
Norfolk Naval Base


It is time to wake up and get a clue. The Co2 FRAUD is COMPLETE FRAUD, Planet Earth is NOT WARMING, and increasing atmospheric Co2 did NOT WARM ANYTHING....

I spent not quite a year researching climate.There is no problem ,it is massive bullshit, most of all Biden has no scientific cred at all. Bottom 10 ofs law class and gave a whole mock-serious talk on the OMNIcron virus. He wants your money and he wants to take a vacation.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Fudge is always good warm

 

[mamooth]

Notice how every denier loon is also an antivaxxer loon?

Those aren't the actual cults. Right-wing fascist loserdom is the cult. There's a whole list of idiot beliefs that are mandated by the right-wing loser cult. Denialism and antivaxxism are two of those idiot beliefs.

 

[EMH]

Notice how every denier loon is also an antivaxxer loon?

Those aren't the actual cults. Right-wing fascist loserdom is the cult. There's a whole list of idiot beliefs that are mandated by the right-wing loser cult. Denialism and antivaxxism are two of those idiot beliefs.

It is true that it requires an IQ under 5 to

1. believe the Co2 Fraud
2. believe the official narrative of covid and Murderous Fraud Vax

and those are mostly Dems like you....

 

[Sunsettommy]

Climate myths: The 'hockey stick' graph has been proven wrong

Despite repeated claims that the famous temperature reconstruction is at best seriously flawed and at worst a fraud, all the evidence supports it

www.newscientist.com

It was FRAUD because the Bristlecone Tree ring data was treated as Temperature data by Dr. Mann when it was actually collected to show the "fertilizer effect of CO2" as compiled by Dr. Isdo and Dr. Graybill in their 1993 paper Detecting the Aerial Fertilization Effect of Atmosphere CO2, Enrichment in Tree-Ring Chronologies who warned it isn't temperature data at all.

The scientists who published the data (Graybill and Idso 1993) had specifically warned that the ring widths should not be used for temperature reconstruction, and in particular their 20th century portion is unlike the climatic history of the region, and is probably biased by other factors.

Here is a long post covering it with additional link back to this forum to a post I made in 2018 showing it then.

LINK

 

[EMH]

It was FRAUD because the Bristlecone Tree ring data was treated as Temperature data by Dr. Mann when it was actually collected to show the "fertilizer effect of CO2" as compiled by Dr. Isdo and Dr. Graybill in their 1993 paper Detecting the Aerial Fertilization Effect of Atmosphere CO2, Enrichment in Tree-Ring Chronologies who warned it isn't temperature data at all.



Here is a long post covering it with additional link back to this forum to a post I made in 2018 showing it then.

LINK

Author Michael Crichton documented that the Mann "hockey stick" was an .... drumroll...


algor-ithm

a math program that took whatever it was given and returned a hockey stick chart regardless = 100% pure BULLSHIT

 

[ChemEngineer]