The Questions that Global Warming Concerned People have Not Answered in this Forum

[ReinyDays]

My question specified a steady increase. I’m sure are aware of the pause in global warming in 2000. There was no pause in human industrial activity. Alarmist blamed the Chupacabra IIRC, or some other Latin American legend.

Sounds like you're reducing your sample pool to drive up percentages ... the average temperature between 1880 and 1950 is 1ºC lower than the average between 1950 and 2020 ... any averages less than this ∆t = 70 years would be contaminated by dynamic factors ... many of these factors we do not understand and cannot reliably predict ... for example El Nino and sunspots ...

Then the mission is accomplished!
Then the free market will continue to select in favor of cheap renewables.

This is what I've been advocating ... get the free estimate for rooftop solar ... if it's not economical, don't bother ... it's pure stupidity installing solar over a coal seam ... so that means it's brilliant to install wind in Oklahoma and West Texas ...

Unless . . .
Was there by chance any subsidies or regulations leading to the BPA and the renewables? How much did they cost to provide such benefit to Boeing?

BPA is a Federal Agency, owned by the US Army ... they retail electricity at cost, no profit margins ... Boeing won the contract for both the B-17 and B-29 ... which in a very real way won WWII for us ... you sound ungrateful ...

Weird eh? ... cheapest electricity in the nation and it's 100% socialized ... government owns the means of production, the means of transport and retail distribution ... and it is illegal to seek electricity from any source other than the government ... bluer than you ...

 

[Seymour Flops]

Sounds like you're reducing your sample pool to drive up percentages ... the average temperature between 1880 and 1950 is 1ºC lower than the average between 1950 and 2020 ... any averages less than this ∆t = 70 years would be contaminated by dynamic factors ... many of these factors we do not understand and cannot reliably predict ... for example El Nino and sunspots ...

El Niño! That was it.

Again, industrial activity did not slow down but global warming paused.

If alarmists can blame “factors we do not understand,” non-alarmists are free to do the same. I’ll have that one in the chamber, thanks!

This is what I've been advocating ... get the free estimate for rooftop solar ... if it's not economical, don't bother ... it's pure stupidity installing solar over a coal seam ... so that means it's brilliant to install wind in Oklahoma and West Texas ...

Brilliance would depend on a demonstration of cost effectiveness, not just a proclaimation,

BPA is a Federal Agency, owned by the US Army ... they retail electricity at cost, no profit margins ... Boeing won the contract for both the B-17 and B-29 ... which in a very real way won WWII for us ... you sound ungrateful ...

As a federal agency, it is heavily subsidized by taxes, so it is they who would be grateful to me.

The French, Brits, Soviets, and Chinese, can be grateful we saved them from the Axis.

Not sure how grateful Eastern Europe would be for us giving them to the Soviets. But complaints from the gulag are rarely heard.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Weird eh? ... cheapest electricity in the nation and it's 100% socialized ... government owns the means of production, the means of transport and retail distribution ... and it is illegal to seek electricity from any source other than the government ... bluer than you ...

Weird if it were true, sure.

It’s only “cheap” to the power companies privileged to buy the heavily subsidized electricity. It isn’t at all cheap to the taxpayers who pony up for the subsidies.

Why would it need to be illegal to go elsewhere for electricity if BPA provides it cheaper?

 

[ReinyDays]

El Niño! That was it.
Again, industrial activity did not slow down but global warming paused.
If alarmists can blame “factors we do not understand,” non-alarmists are free to do the same. I’ll have that one in the chamber, thanks!

You seem ill-informed ... the IPCC claims to know all and can predict 100 years into the future ... as a Denialist of the Third Order, it is my claim we do not understand atmospheric science well enough for these predictions to have any value, at least not scientifically ...

You asked for evidence ... it's not proof ... why aren't you satisfied? ...

Brilliance would depend on a demonstration of cost effectiveness, not just a proclaimation,

West Texas and Oklahoma have a "windy" climate ... thus they are #1 and #2 in wind production ... again, you seem ill-informed about climate and energy production ...

As a federal agency, it is heavily subsidized by taxes, so it is they who would be grateful to me.

Again ... you are grossly misinformed ...

"BPA is a federal power marketing administration based in the Pacific Northwest. Although BPA is part of the U.S. Department of Energy, it is self-funded and by statute must establish rates that seek to recover its costs." -- {Cite} ...

My mistake ... owned by DoE ... operated by the Army ... do you know what a "subsidy" is? ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Weird if it were true, sure.

It’s only “cheap” to the power companies privileged to buy the heavily subsidized electricity. It isn’t at all cheap to the taxpayers who pony up for the subsidies.

Why would it need to be illegal to go elsewhere for electricity if BPA provides it cheaper?

BPA is self-funding ... you must not be from the USA ... we have other government-owned hydro systems:

"While owned by the federal government, TVA receives no taxpayer funding and operates similarly to a private for-profit company. It is headquartered in Knoxville, Tennessee, and is the sixth-largest power supplier and largest public utility in the country"

Tennessee Valley Authority - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That has been the law of the land since the Nixon Administration ... and we did retrofit many many many buildings during the Reagan Administration ... the guy I worked for did pay 25%, the rest was subsidized by Federal tax dollars ... no, not quite free, and of course property taxes went up ...

Landlords double their own costs and raise rents accordingly ... 100% margins ... but I digress ...

AOC wants a lot of things ... and if she's got a fair way to pay for these nice things, then fine, have at it ... does rooftop solar work in Queens, then Queens' tax dollars should subsidize the installation ... maybe that's cheaper than a new power plant? ... I don't know ...

Here's it's hydro ... and nuisance level mountain-fresh crystal-clean spring-water ...

Nixon passed the Green New Deal? Link?

 

[Seymour Flops]

BPA is self-funding ... you must not be from the USA ... we have other government-owned hydro systems:

They “self fund” by selling power generated by tax-funded hydroelectric damns and by issuing Treasury Bonds.

"While owned by the federal government, TVA receives no taxpayer funding and operates similarly to a private for-profit company. It is headquartered in Knoxville, Tennessee, and is the sixth-largest power supplier and largest public utility in the country"

Tennessee Valley Authority - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From your own link:

Congress has since designated Bonneville to be the marketing agent for power from all of the federally owned hydroelectric projects in the Pacific Northwest.

Give me a valuable resource for free to sell at rates I set, eliminate all legal competition, and give me the power to borrow money with Uncle Sam as co-signer. I bet I can “self-fund” like that indefinitely, without the solvency problems BPA was plagued with a few years ago.

Can Bonneville Power Administration be saved?

Why should we be concerned about Bonneville’s financial condition? Because Bonneville manages the sale of electricity from 31 federal hydropower facilities in the Northwest, including Bonneville and Grand Coulee dams.

www.seattletimes.com

 

[EMH]

1) Is there evidence of a steady rise in the Earth's temperature, say since the industrial revolution?

other than from the surface of growing urban areas, NO


The rest of your questions are meaningless since there is no evidence that Earth as a planet is warming. Earth has a built in thermometer, ocean levels, that the "warmers" claim is "Warming" but isn't, which is why they cannot show us one single photo of a landmark sinking...

The real Earth temp data reads as follows


1. NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE
2. NO WARMING in the OCEANS
3. NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT
4. NO OCEAN RISE
5. NO BREAKOUT in CANE Activity

 

[ReinyDays]

Nixon passed the Green New Deal? Link?

Still stupid after all these years ... when do you finish Middle School? ...

 

[ReinyDays]

They “self fund” by selling power generated by tax-funded hydroelectric damns and by issuing Treasury Bonds.

From your own link:

Congress has since designated Bonneville to be the marketing agent for power from all of the federally owned hydroelectric projects in the Pacific Northwest.

Give me a valuable resource for free to sell at rates I set, eliminate all legal competition, and give me the power to borrow money with Uncle Sam as co-signer. I bet I can “self-fund” like that indefinitely, without the solvency problems BPA was plagued with a few years ago.

Can Bonneville Power Administration be saved?

Why should we be concerned about Bonneville’s financial condition? Because Bonneville manages the sale of electricity from 31 federal hydropower facilities in the Northwest, including Bonneville and Grand Coulee dams.

www.seattletimes.com

Where are these "massive subsidies" you claimed ... or did you lie? ...

Cheapest in the nation electricity ... stupid ... don't move here, no housing ... so bugger off ...

 

[Seymour Flops]

Where are these "massive subsidies" you claimed ... or did you lie? ...

Did I claim them or ask about them? Either way, no lie.

Being given by government your product to sell along with access to the treasury IS a massive subsidy.

Cheapest in the nation electricity ... stupid ... don't move here, no housing ... so bugger off ...

Don’t worry. I’m sure the Bonneville Housing Agency will provide plentiful spacious housing for all.

And it will all be FREEEEEEEE! (Paid for by our grandkids)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Still stupid after all these years ... when do you finish Middle School? ...

Sneaky fucking Nixon, still working on legislation in 1980.

Indefinitely postponed? I wonder what that means?

 

[Crick]

Global warming hiatus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Seymour Flops]

Global warming hiatus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Everybody, quick!

Click on that link, so you can be as smart as Crick!

 

[Crick]

Everybody, quick!

Click on that link, so you can be as smart as Crick!

I'm terribly sorry you have such difficulty reading. I know that can be a humiliating situation but there is help out there if you can just bring yourself to ask for it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I'm terribly sorry you have such difficulty reading. I know that can be a humiliating situation but there is help out there if you can just bring yourself to ask for it.

Oh, you have helped enough! Why, you gave me a wiki link! That’s the gold standard of evidence!

 

[Crick]

Oh, you have helped enough! Why, you gave me a wiki link! That’s the gold standard of evidence!

Yup.

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Which can be summarized as... they have mistaken a natural warming trend for AGW.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yup.

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Keep the links coming!

We're all voraciously reading them!

 

[Crick]

Keep the links coming!

We're all voraciously reading them!

The obvious point you don't want to admit was that the Wikipedia article was extremely well referenced and your comments about the "Hiatus" were uninformed and lacked any reliable basis.