Socialism will continue to come to a town near you.

[PaulS1950]

As usual, the dupes don't know what it is. Socialism is always democratic, a fairly regulated capitalism with a good safey net. Communism is an extreme form, no capitalism, a controlled government owned economy, so extreme it's never democratic, always put in by violent revolution and kept in by totalitarianism and secret police.

Chavez gave the poor education, running water, health care, and housing- we're past that at least.

franco,
can you offer a few examples of countries that had or have successful socialist governments?

from: Hugo Chávez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2008, Human Rights Watch released a report reviewing Chávez's human rights record over his first decade in power.[282] The report praises Chávez's 1999 amendments to the constitution which significantly expanded human rights guarantees, as well as mentioning improvements in women's rights and indigenous rights, but noted a "wide range of government policies that have undercut the human rights protections established" by the revised constitution.

Human rights, though important enough to place into his constitutional changes were not important enough to protect. To be fair there is no record of him actually killing any of his people but I wonder what will happen in that country with a new leader although the national police do not report all deaths due to their actions.

 

[francoHFW]

Every modern country (EU, NZ, Oz, Canada, Japan and us) is socialist. Only we are tilted toward the rich by the GOP, a disgrace. The only problem they have is the cronyism and corruption GOP wrecking the world economy like 2008.

We don't have a secret police, and elections in the USSR were a joke, and only one party LOL, chump.

 

[PaulS1950]

Franco,
So what you are saying is that you don't know of any successful socialist countries?

 

[francoHFW]

See Finnish Premier, after we passed O-care: "Now we're all socialists"...

 

[tooAlive]

Franco has redefined all the isms to his liking.

He even referred to socialism as a democratic capitalism a few posts ago. Can you believe this guy used to be a teacher?

As usual, the dupes don't know what it is. Socialism is always democratic, a fairly regulated capitalism with a good safey net. Communism is an extreme form, no capitalism,

 

[francoHFW]

Like I said, you dupes are clueless...ever been to France? Is that socialist? Sweden? Capitalist? Democratic? Yes, Yes Yes and Yes, chumps.

And you think they had no money in the USSR? FORGET communism as imaginary, consider the real world, Dr. Beck....

 

[francoHFW]

Now you're going to say Hitler and Stalin were socialists, because they put it in the name of their PARTY or Country? So you believe ANY big lie propaganda.....LOL

 

[tooAlive]

Like I said, you dupes are clueless...ever been to France? Is that socialist? Sweden? Capitalist? Democratic? Yes, Yes Yes and Yes, chumps.

And you think they had no money in the USSR? FORGET communism as imaginary, consider the real world, Dr. Beck....

Does France still allow private property? Does Sweden? Do they both allow private business owners to profit from the labor of their employees?

Yes? And Yes?

Then they're not socialist countries. They have mixed economies just like we do. Their state just does more things than ours.

 

[nitroz]

Wah! I have to pay taxes!
Minimum wage is being increased so people can get out of poverty and make a living!
Gays are getting rights, just like they should have in the first place!
Religion is being taken out of politics! How else will I be able to force my beliefs onto other people and make this a christian nation?
Money = speech, and democracy has no place in this nation!
wah!

 

[uscitizen]

Let's see if you can tell us what socialism is, without confusing it with Soviet-style communism.

Can you?

Socialism is what is USED by Bankers and Government to bring in Communism.

I pass your little test?

Failed badly.

 

[tooAlive]

Now you're going to say Hitler and Stalin were socialists, because they put it in the name of their PARTY or Country? So you believe ANY big lie propaganda.....LOL

Yes, they were both socialists.

Nazi Germany for example followed socialist principles to a tee, regardless of what they called their party. (Which happens to be the, National Socialist German Workers Party..)

They had control over private property and literally ran all industries as well. They controlled the wages paid by corporations, who ran the corporations, what they produced, and what they would charge.

Like I told you before, true communism has never existed as no country has ever successfully transitioned from socialism. And not because Glenn Beck says so. I've actually never heard him say that. Here's what Wiki says:

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless[1][2] and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.[3] This movement, in its Marxist–Leninist interpretations, significantly influenced the history of the 20th century, which saw intense rivalry between the "socialist world" (socialist states ruled by communist parties) and the "western world" (countries with capitalist economies).[4]

Tell me, what countries in history have ever been class-less, money-less, and state-less?

 

[Flopper]

Socialism and capitalism coexists in every nation on the planet and that's not going to change. The important thing is not to get too big a dose of either ism.

 

[francoHFW]

Hitler hated socialists because they were democrats and tolerant, communists even more. Read something. That's a brand new theory, for dupes only.

 

[tooAlive]

Hitler hated socialists because they were democrats and tolerant, communists even more. Read something. That's a brand new theory, for dupes only.

Who didn't hitler hate? He hated everybody that didn't belong to his specific party. He wanted to eliminate any other party or group that could get in their way of seizing total control.

He also hated homosexuals and is said to have had homosexual tendencies. So the fact that he "hated" socialists doesn't me he wasn't one himself.

He was. And his National Socialist German Workers Party followed the exact path as other socialist countries in history.

 

[Political Junky]

Yea, we all no how the left hates homosexuals and unionists.

 

[Agit8r]

All of you, I am sure, have heard many cries about Government interference with business and about "creeping socialism." I should like to remind the gentlemen who make these complaints that if events had been allowed to continue as they were going prior to March 4, 1933, most of them would have no businesses left for the Government or for anyone else to interfere with — and almost surely we would have socialism in this country, real socialism.

-- Harry Truman; from speech in Detroit, MI (May, 14, 1950)

 

[francoHFW]

It's amazing how arrogant and clueless the dupes are. That's why they call them ugly Americans. They DO have plenty of info, it's just all BS propaganda. lol

 

[tooAlive]

Yea, we all no how the left hates homosexuals and unionists.

We're talking about socialism here, which is only an economic system. Hitler's social views would not exempt him from being a socialist.

Also, Nazi Germany's economic system would be classified as socialism, in great part for the reasons I mentioned in my post above.

Read this:

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian - George Reisman - Mises Daily

 

[The2ndAmendment]

You guys keep complaining about Obama but what are you doing about it? Are you uniting, coming up with alternitives, prodding your so called leaders to act like they know what the f--k is going on?

We're taking matters into our own hands. Let me show you what we're doing on Long Island (New York), here's the introduction of what we're going to release.

The contents contained in the following document, are so far only known to the political elite and to the political factions that have been adversely affected and criminalized by that same elite; however, it is paramount during these turbulent times, that the general public be made aware of the abuses that have been inflicted upon them, and continue to be perpetrated against them, both subtly and overtly --- both accidentally and intentionally, for these abuses have become intolerable.

The abuses to be discussed are not isolated to any particular State or Locality within the United States, in fact, they are not even isolated within the United States itself. For the entire world is confronted by the same enemy, The Federal Reserve, and those who control and manipulate its very actions. Unknown to most citizens of the United States, is the fact that the Federal Reserve is a Private Central Bank. It is neither beholden nor owned by the United States government. The very operation of the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional under Article I, Section 10 of the United States Constitution, and the very idea of fiat currency is inconsistent with the intent of the Founding Fathers, as evidenced by many documents and proceedings during their time.

This document will address in great detail all of our ailments, and the causes thereof, for no ailment can be cured when the cause is unknown. The reader shall also discover that the ailments are many, but the causes are few, and the are solutions simple. The powers that be have made a smokescreen, shielding the causes from the public eye and diverting attention away from those who are responsible --- the elite themselves. The elite have succeeded so well, that many citizens have abandoned hope, believing that the system is too complicated --- beyond both diagnose and repair; while at the same time, the people believe that an inanimate system will knowingly fix itself, while under the influence of the same tyrants who rule from the shadows.

It is the wish of the authors that the reader be encouraged to supplement their reading of this document through the use of the unlimited research capabilities granted to them by this modern age of information. The authors have explicitly avoided those things which are personal, and with careful and proper judgment, have also avoided injecting any substantial or noticeable degree of bias. The reader is also advised to purge themselves of as much biases and prejudices as possible and to proceed with candor and impartiality, and to become open and receptive to the ideas and information that shall be presented.

As Thomas Paine once said, “The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind.” This again is true today, and in fact, it is even more true than it was during his era. The modern world is so interconnected, from the globalization of her markets, to the instantaneous communication from any of her parts to another, that we find that all of her regions are governed by the same forces --- and the same tyrannies; for the peoples of the Earth have had very little to say about those forces which came to govern, and as such, those forces have proceeded to rule unchecked.

Thomas Paine also wrote: “Ye that love mankind, that dare oppose not only tyranny but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with oppression; Freedom hath been hunted round the globe…” Unfortunately, the tyrants have succeeded in the efforts of global domination and oppression. The cause of America --- the cause of all mankind, has been defeated, hunted to extinction.

However, the hallowed principles of individual freedom and self-government may yet find asylum once more in America; the citizenry that composes the United States, is the only sizable armed citizenry that remains in the modern world. To quote the Declaration of Independence: “That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

As the only substantially armed and civilized population remaining, we are the only people that can abolish the tyranny that plagues the entire globe. It is for this reason, that the powers that be wish to disarm the citizens of the United States, and wholly devour the Second Amendment by our own consent.

There is only one logical practice of the Second Amendment, and that is that it shall not be infringed. Any other practice is a paradox, for it contradicts the very purpose of the Second Amendment in its entirety; it is the ultimate form of popular recourse against tyranny, and thus no potential tyrants may restrict it. The Second Amendment is the Supreme Sovereign; to surrender the Second Amendment, is to surrender the sovereignty of self-government.

If the reader finds themselves in disagreement with the above paragraph, they are encouraged to skip directly to the section of this document titled “The Second Amendment, and the Tyrannical and Racist History of Gun Control.”

Without further adieu, the author cordially invites the reader into the realm of reason and common sense.

We're going to make the Federalist Papers look like a warm-up act.

 

[tooAlive]

It's amazing how arrogant and clueless the dupes are. That's why they call them ugly Americans. They DO have plenty of info, it's just all BS propaganda. lol

I hope you don't consider WorldSocialism.org to be right-wing propaganda..

Marx and Lenin's views contrasted | The Socialist Party of Great Britain

"Socialism is merely state-capitalist monopoly which is made to serve the whole people". Lenin knew that he was introducing a new definition of socialism here which was not to be found in Marx but claimed that there were two stages after capitalism: socialism (his new definition) and communism (what Marxists had always understood by socialism: a stateless, classless, moneyless, wageless society). However, so new was this definition that other Bolshevik publications of the same period still argued that "socialism is the highest form of social organisation that mankind can achieve".

I don't get get my information of far-left wing ideologies from Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, or the Heritage Foundation. I go directly to the left-wingers themselves.

Lets hope you finally learn the facts from your own party.