So what I dont believe in God?

[Quentin111]

Seriously, what does it matter if someone believes in God? I've been talking to many theists who dont believe in hell or they say their religion doesnt say non believers go to hell so who cares if people dont believe? Especially if they are good people.

I believe this threat of hell is key to recruiting members. Even my theist buddy who doesnt believe in hell said to me "you just gotta believe". Why?

You couldn't believe in God but you can believe in Heaven and Hell: Atheism and belief in afterlife US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[sealybobo]

I went from years of being a liberal christian who didn't believe in hell for non believers to a theist who didn't believe any organized religions to an athiest and now I'm an agnostic athiest which is the best position to have.

Funny we read your bible like you asked and when that didn't work you say we need to read more? Lol or we didn't get it? Yup! Made no sense and I read it as a believer. It helped me not believe.

Keep in mind I believe there is a hell, but as a place of separation from God for those who choose to remain apart from Him. Who is this "we" who asked you to read the Bible in the way that was asked of you? Remember, it was Protestants who came up with the bright idea that anyone could interpret the Bible for him or herself. Now atheists are doing the same...in ways the original authors would never have imagined.

Agnostic atheist is not the best position to have. The best position is one of knowledge of the vast love God has for each one of us, and to worship with people who love God. I understand the problems people have with organized religion--any organized religion, but community is has its worth despite its failings.

Funny even though I dont "believe" every once in awhile I finding myself thanking him for blessing me.

But I realize it isnt rational. Isnt logical. Wishful thinking. Arrogance too.

What's sad is there are good theists and bad. Sorry if I offend the good ones with my true feelings. I guess if we endured being burned alive you can handle a heated debate, right? Lol

 

[sealybobo]

Seriously, what does it matter if someone believes in God? I've been talking to many theists who dont believe in hell or they say their religion doesnt say non believers go to hell so who cares if people dont believe? Especially if they are good people.

I believe this threat of hell is key to recruiting members. Even my theist buddy who doesnt believe in hell said to me "you just gotta believe". Why?

You couldn't believe in God but you can believe in Heaven and Hell: Atheism and belief in afterlife US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

It would be a shame if all the bad people aren't punished after death huh? Like all the bad people in ghost with Patrick Swazi and demi Moore.

 

[westwall]

Seriously, what does it matter if someone believes in God? I've been talking to many theists who dont believe in hell or they say their religion doesnt say non believers go to hell so who cares if people dont believe? Especially if they are good people.

I believe this threat of hell is key to recruiting members. Even my theist buddy who doesnt believe in hell said to me "you just gotta believe". Why?

You're correct. So what. So why do you care so much that other people do? What possible business is it of yours?

 

[sealybobo]

Seriously, what does it matter if someone believes in God? I've been talking to many theists who dont believe in hell or they say their religion doesnt say non believers go to hell so who cares if people dont believe? Especially if they are good people.

I believe this threat of hell is key to recruiting members. Even my theist buddy who doesnt believe in hell said to me "you just gotta believe". Why?

You're correct. So what. So why do you care so much that other people do? What possible business is it of yours?

So what people believe the world is flat chrisopher?

 

[theword]

What do you think "spirit" means?

It means many different things, especially to many different kinds of people.

What is it you are trying to establish here?

I asked YOU what you think "spirit" means, as in the biblical spirit. Spirit is just a symbolic word that has a much different meaning than what most people can understand.

Think of spirit as the "breath of life" in this passage;

Genesis 2
7: then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

What does it take to make a visible man move about in this world?

Yes, fine. No argument.

Anything else?

I gave an opinion initially to the top poster's comments about hell. You then asked me where I thought hell might be for which I gave an answer. Now you switch to the word spirit and its various uses or misuses. Would you like to make the larger point you must be trying to establish?

I'm showing you that you have no knowledge of God to know what hell or spirit mean.
Your responses reflect your lack of knowledge.

Ok. Thank you.

Can I assume you are the "sola scriptura" kind of believer?

The one who is in so much denial of further revelation, miracles, and the authority of the Catholic Church that they have no other option than to just pretend God has limited Himself to the words of the Bible --- and of course --- to your own special kind of way of interpreting those words --- and ignoring so many other passages?

Did you follow all that? You have painted yourself in a corner. You have no choice on what kind of answers you are allowed to provide, else your whole house of cards collapses.

Since I speak for our Creator, I have unlimited knowledge to give you the answers to your questions but I know for a fact you can't answer any of my questions.

What does the biblical "spirit" mean?

Where does it mention "hell" in the prophecies?

Why did God change Jacob's name to Israel?

Will the ark of the covenant be used in Paradise?

How will we experience life in the New Heaven and Earth?

Is Jesus a saint who spoke for our Father, Son of God or the Lord and Savior?

 

[theword]

I went from years of being a liberal christian who didn't believe in hell for non believers to a theist who didn't believe any organized religions to an athiest and now I'm an agnostic athiest which is the best position to have.

Funny we read your bible like you asked and when that didn't work you say we need to read more? Lol or we didn't get it? Yup! Made no sense and I read it as a believer. It helped me not believe.

Keep in mind I believe there is a hell, but as a place of separation from God for those who choose to remain apart from Him. Who is this "we" who asked you to read the Bible in the way that was asked of you? Remember, it was Protestants who came up with the bright idea that anyone could interpret the Bible for him or herself. Now atheists are doing the same...in ways the original authors would never have imagined.

Agnostic atheist is not the best position to have. The best position is one of knowledge of the vast love God has for each one of us, and to worship with people who love God. I understand the problems people have with organized religion--any organized religion, but community is has its worth despite its failings.

What does the symbolic "love of God" mean?

 

[BreezeWood]

It means many different things, especially to many different kinds of people.

What is it you are trying to establish here?

I asked YOU what you think "spirit" means, as in the biblical spirit. Spirit is just a symbolic word that has a much different meaning than what most people can understand.

Think of spirit as the "breath of life" in this passage;

Genesis 2
7: then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

What does it take to make a visible man move about in this world?

Yes, fine. No argument.

Anything else?

I gave an opinion initially to the top poster's comments about hell. You then asked me where I thought hell might be for which I gave an answer. Now you switch to the word spirit and its various uses or misuses. Would you like to make the larger point you must be trying to establish?

I'm showing you that you have no knowledge of God to know what hell or spirit mean.
Your responses reflect your lack of knowledge.

Ok. Thank you.

Can I assume you are the "sola scriptura" kind of believer?

The one who is in so much denial of further revelation, miracles, and the authority of the Catholic Church that they have no other option than to just pretend God has limited Himself to the words of the Bible --- and of course --- to your own special kind of way of interpreting those words --- and ignoring so many other passages?

Did you follow all that? You have painted yourself in a corner. You have no choice on what kind of answers you are allowed to provide, else your whole house of cards collapses.

Since I speak for our Creator, I have unlimited knowledge to give you the answers to your questions but I know for a fact you can't answer any of my questions.

What does the biblical "spirit" mean?

Where does it mention "hell" in the prophecies?

Why did God change Jacob's name to Israel?

Will the ark of the covenant be used in Paradise?

How will we experience life in the New Heaven and Earth?

Is Jesus a saint who spoke for our Father, Son of God or the Lord and Savior?

.
a little curious word, wasn't there suppose to be an event this past February that was meant to leave you 6' under ... what ever happened ?

.

 

[theword]

I asked YOU what you think "spirit" means, as in the biblical spirit. Spirit is just a symbolic word that has a much different meaning than what most people can understand.

Think of spirit as the "breath of life" in this passage;

Genesis 2
7: then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

What does it take to make a visible man move about in this world?

Yes, fine. No argument.

Anything else?

I gave an opinion initially to the top poster's comments about hell. You then asked me where I thought hell might be for which I gave an answer. Now you switch to the word spirit and its various uses or misuses. Would you like to make the larger point you must be trying to establish?

I'm showing you that you have no knowledge of God to know what hell or spirit mean.
Your responses reflect your lack of knowledge.

Ok. Thank you.

Can I assume you are the "sola scriptura" kind of believer?

The one who is in so much denial of further revelation, miracles, and the authority of the Catholic Church that they have no other option than to just pretend God has limited Himself to the words of the Bible --- and of course --- to your own special kind of way of interpreting those words --- and ignoring so many other passages?

Did you follow all that? You have painted yourself in a corner. You have no choice on what kind of answers you are allowed to provide, else your whole house of cards collapses.

Since I speak for our Creator, I have unlimited knowledge to give you the answers to your questions but I know for a fact you can't answer any of my questions.

What does the biblical "spirit" mean?

Where does it mention "hell" in the prophecies?

Why did God change Jacob's name to Israel?

Will the ark of the covenant be used in Paradise?

How will we experience life in the New Heaven and Earth?

Is Jesus a saint who spoke for our Father, Son of God or the Lord and Savior?

.
a little curious word, wasn't there suppose to be an event this past February that was meant to leave you 6' under ... what ever happened ?

I thought it would happen by January 24th according to the prophecy that I had no right to try interpret since our Creator never gave me the exact date. None of God's saints were given the exact date but we all learn why, how and where we will be killed for testifying to the Word.

I was thoroughly humiliated by our Creator for telling His believers that I would be killed by January 24th, which He planned to happen. By keeping the flesh humble, He can use it for His purpose. I have experienced many very humiliating moments as God was preparing me to testify to His knowledge starting on June 16th, 2008. He continuously keeps the flesh humble while He's using it to teach us who we are and how He created everything which the flesh never knew before. The flesh didn't know anything about the future until it witnessed the future being revealed through the written and spoken testimonies it has to write and speak for our Creator.

 

[sealybobo]

I went from years of being a liberal christian who didn't believe in hell for non believers to a theist who didn't believe any organized religions to an athiest and now I'm an agnostic athiest which is the best position to have.

Funny we read your bible like you asked and when that didn't work you say we need to read more? Lol or we didn't get it? Yup! Made no sense and I read it as a believer. It helped me not believe.

Keep in mind I believe there is a hell, but as a place of separation from God for those who choose to remain apart from Him. Who is this "we" who asked you to read the Bible in the way that was asked of you? Remember, it was Protestants who came up with the bright idea that anyone could interpret the Bible for him or herself. Now atheists are doing the same...in ways the original authors would never have imagined.

Agnostic atheist is not the best position to have. The best position is one of knowledge of the vast love God has for each one of us, and to worship with people who love God. I understand the problems people have with organized religion--any organized religion, but community is has its worth despite its failings.

What does the symbolic "love of God" mean?

What does it mean when I say thank god because I just won a big poker hand?

 

[sealybobo]

It means many different things, especially to many different kinds of people.

What is it you are trying to establish here?

I asked YOU what you think "spirit" means, as in the biblical spirit. Spirit is just a symbolic word that has a much different meaning than what most people can understand.

Think of spirit as the "breath of life" in this passage;

Genesis 2
7: then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

What does it take to make a visible man move about in this world?

Yes, fine. No argument.

Anything else?

I gave an opinion initially to the top poster's comments about hell. You then asked me where I thought hell might be for which I gave an answer. Now you switch to the word spirit and its various uses or misuses. Would you like to make the larger point you must be trying to establish?

I'm showing you that you have no knowledge of God to know what hell or spirit mean.
Your responses reflect your lack of knowledge.

Ok. Thank you.

Can I assume you are the "sola scriptura" kind of believer?

The one who is in so much denial of further revelation, miracles, and the authority of the Catholic Church that they have no other option than to just pretend God has limited Himself to the words of the Bible --- and of course --- to your own special kind of way of interpreting those words --- and ignoring so many other passages?

Did you follow all that? You have painted yourself in a corner. You have no choice on what kind of answers you are allowed to provide, else your whole house of cards collapses.

Since I speak for our Creator, I have unlimited knowledge to give you the answers to your questions but I know for a fact you can't answer any of my questions.

What does the biblical "spirit" mean?

Where does it mention "hell" in the prophecies?

Why did God change Jacob's name to Israel?

Will the ark of the covenant be used in Paradise?

How will we experience life in the New Heaven and Earth?

Is Jesus a saint who spoke for our Father, Son of God or the Lord and Savior?

Tell us!

 

[sealybobo]

Yes, fine. No argument.

Anything else?

I gave an opinion initially to the top poster's comments about hell. You then asked me where I thought hell might be for which I gave an answer. Now you switch to the word spirit and its various uses or misuses. Would you like to make the larger point you must be trying to establish?

I'm showing you that you have no knowledge of God to know what hell or spirit mean.
Your responses reflect your lack of knowledge.

Ok. Thank you.

Can I assume you are the "sola scriptura" kind of believer?

The one who is in so much denial of further revelation, miracles, and the authority of the Catholic Church that they have no other option than to just pretend God has limited Himself to the words of the Bible --- and of course --- to your own special kind of way of interpreting those words --- and ignoring so many other passages?

Did you follow all that? You have painted yourself in a corner. You have no choice on what kind of answers you are allowed to provide, else your whole house of cards collapses.

Since I speak for our Creator, I have unlimited knowledge to give you the answers to your questions but I know for a fact you can't answer any of my questions.

What does the biblical "spirit" mean?

Where does it mention "hell" in the prophecies?

Why did God change Jacob's name to Israel?

Will the ark of the covenant be used in Paradise?

How will we experience life in the New Heaven and Earth?

Is Jesus a saint who spoke for our Father, Son of God or the Lord and Savior?

.
a little curious word, wasn't there suppose to be an event this past February that was meant to leave you 6' under ... what ever happened ?

I thought it would happen by January 24th according to the prophecy that I had no right to try interpret since our Creator never gave me the exact date. None of God's saints were given the exact date but we all learn why, how and where we will be killed for testifying to the Word.

I was thoroughly humiliated by our Creator for telling His believers that I would be killed by January 24th, which He planned to happen. By keeping the flesh humble, He can use it for His purpose. I have experienced many very humiliating moments as God was preparing me to testify to His knowledge starting on June 16th, 2008. He continuously keeps the flesh humble while He's using it to teach us who we are and how He created everything which the flesh never knew before. The flesh didn't know anything about the future until it witnessed the future being revealed through the written and spoken testimonies it has to write and speak for our Creator.

Oh lord! Are you for real? You think anyone is taking you seriously? Even other theists think you're fos.

 

[turzovka]

Yes, fine. No argument.

Anything else?

I gave an opinion initially to the top poster's comments about hell. You then asked me where I thought hell might be for which I gave an answer. Now you switch to the word spirit and its various uses or misuses. Would you like to make the larger point you must be trying to establish?

I'm showing you that you have no knowledge of God to know what hell or spirit mean.
Your responses reflect your lack of knowledge.

Ok. Thank you.

Can I assume you are the "sola scriptura" kind of believer?

The one who is in so much denial of further revelation, miracles, and the authority of the Catholic Church that they have no other option than to just pretend God has limited Himself to the words of the Bible --- and of course --- to your own special kind of way of interpreting those words --- and ignoring so many other passages?

Did you follow all that? You have painted yourself in a corner. You have no choice on what kind of answers you are allowed to provide, else your whole house of cards collapses.

Since I speak for our Creator, I have unlimited knowledge to give you the answers to your questions but I know for a fact you can't answer any of my questions.

What does the biblical "spirit" mean?

Where does it mention "hell" in the prophecies?

Why did God change Jacob's name to Israel?

Will the ark of the covenant be used in Paradise?

How will we experience life in the New Heaven and Earth?

Is Jesus a saint who spoke for our Father, Son of God or the Lord and Savior?

.
a little curious word, wasn't there suppose to be an event this past February that was meant to leave you 6' under ... what ever happened ?

I thought it would happen by January 24th according to the prophecy that I had no right to try interpret since our Creator never gave me the exact date. None of God's saints were given the exact date but we all learn why, how and where we will be killed for testifying to the Word.

I was thoroughly humiliated by our Creator for telling His believers that I would be killed by January 24th, which He planned to happen. By keeping the flesh humble, He can use it for His purpose. I have experienced many very humiliating moments as God was preparing me to testify to His knowledge starting on June 16th, 2008. He continuously keeps the flesh humble while He's using it to teach us who we are and how He created everything which the flesh never knew before. The flesh didn't know anything about the future until it witnessed the future being revealed through the written and spoken testimonies it has to write and speak for our Creator.

Quote from "the word" above: "He continuously keeps the flesh humble..."

Quote from "the word" in a reply to my simple questions: "Since I speak for our Creator, I have unlimited knowledge to give you the answers to your questions but I know for a fact you can't answer any of my questions."

Now doesn't that sound like a humble servant to you? The guy to whom the Creator has specially called out to give him unlimited knowledge? Question: How many posts does it take to figure out this guy who calls his "humble" self "The Word" is a total phony? Answer: Two, maybe three.

Here is what I think of you "the word." At worst, you are fooled by dark spirits. At best, you are a crashing bore.

 

[PostmodernProph]

Sealy of course it matters, how in the world can anyone argue a word that they haven't learned the definition to?
Each culture and faith may use the same word but define them differently.
Example: if someone from England asks you for a fag, you have to know his definition of the word as cigarette to understand and act properly and accordingly otherwise you might punch him in the face for your missunderstanding through the USE & definition you grew up on in the U.S.
You are doing this with the word God, seeing a forbidden figure form of fantasy when other cultures see it as describing Life's Essence.
Therefore you can believe life's essence is evolution aka progressions to all it can be and Judaism's God can be that Essence not some anthropromorphized deity and you both have the same understanding but you are fighting against yourself because you fsiled to defibe a word you argued over=plain stupid.

Give me an example of how it matters or is relavent. We sent people to help in tebit and Haiti for example. I'm an athiest. I am in full support of our goverment giving them aid for example. So no god is necessary to do the right thing. To me god is irrelivent.

to be honest, you didn't send people to help......the government did.....all you did was pay taxes, or perhaps support the concept that wealthy people pay them for you......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Well, obviously, we've beat this horse to death, many times over. Allow believers to believe, and allow non-believers to not believe, very simple, really. We're not going to change anyone's mind, and we're not going to make the world a better place to live by criticizing either side of the issue. This subject makes for non-productive conversation and debate. There is NO winning side to this argument, and I doubt there will be one until the very end comes. Do we continue to debate this, knowing in advance the outcome?

That's my point. That's what I hope religion becomes. Doesnt matter if a person believes. So now theists will vote for an athiest? Because last I checked athiests were the least electable people. Even pot smoking phalanderers ranked higher. So do you get why it matters that people stop caring if other people believe or not. Dont pretend it doesnt matter to you and your side when it clearly does very much.

I want to divide you theists. Make people realize how stupid any religion is that claims non believers are bad or go to hell.


Its all about reforming and upgrading religion. The old ways no longer work. Telling people they go to hell. Phooie.

Why did you infuse the "pot-smoking" qualification into it?

Google the survey or poll that found pot smokers & philanderers are more electable than athiests.

BS. It's impossible to know whether or not someone is an athiest. There's no test for it like there is for pot smokers.

They asked ppl who would you rather vote for.

A. Athiest
B. Pot smoker
C. Athiest

Athiest was the least popular.

Get it now? Google it. Google pot smoking philanderer more popular than athiest. Then talk to me.

can I talk to a pot smoking philanderer instead?......I would prefer that.......

 

[Meriweather]

What does the symbolic "love of God" mean?

First, I did not use the phrase "love of God"; nor do I view loving God, or God's love for us as "symbolic."

Those who love God keep His Commandments. These Commandments are based upon two ideals: The love of God and the love of our fellowman. Those we love, we communicate with, we serve, love is the momentum that pushes us to go above and beyond for the sake of the loved one. Love is living one's life, often denying selfish wants and desires, in order to do something better for God and/or our fellowman.

God cares about us more than we are capable of imagining. He cares about our lives here, what hurts us, what brings us sorrow, our struggles. Scripture tells us that with God, even our hair is numbered. Grin. How many of us love someone (or even ourselves) enough to count the hairs on their head?

 

[sealybobo]

I'm a pot smoking athiest. You prefer a person who cheats on their spouse?

Would you rather marry a cheater? I didn't think so.

 

[HaShev]

exactly, nepes means breath.

 

[amrchaos]

What people believe is usually not the problem....

It is what people are inclined to do based on what they believe is the problem .

Kind of goes against the idea that the body is the source of sin--the truth is that the mind, our conscious and emotions, are the things that plan the sin. The body just sends and receives signals from the mind! Why is it blamed?

 

[sealybobo]

What people believe is usually not the problem....

It is what people are inclined to do based on what they believe is the problem .

Kind of goes against the idea that the body is the source of sin--the truth is that the mind, our conscious and emotions, are the things that plan the sin. The body just sends and receives signals from the mind! Why is it blamed?

Boy has this gone way off topic. Lol of course its your mind that is either wired and programmed correctly or not. Nature vs nurture. And your body is just the vessel in which your vitals are housed. It is all amazing and there is so much we dont know but nothing tells me there is a god and heaven is a whole other level of wishful thinking that makes absolutely no sense when you think about it rationally. Its only purpose is to make us feel better about ourselves and our mortality and we hate not having all the answers.

If we are to evolve as much as we can intellectually we need to stop going to churches on Sunday and do things that are more productive.

If theists would just admit they believe because they want to believe and no other reasons then we can then be settled on this issue.

It doesnt matter if I believe because its not very rational to believe if you think about it.