Should military service be a pre-req for the Presidency?

[xotoxi]

Truths out your cluless,Obama Lover

What the fuck are you talking about, old man?

Is dementia setting in?

 

[tigerbob]

If Republicans had therir way the following criteria would have to be met by Law before anyone could be President:

Must be:

* Born in the USA (aka Bruce S.)
* Male
* White
* Married (perferable once to a woman)
* over age 60
* Born again Christian
* Wealthy
* Former General in the Armed Forces (or equivalent)
* opposed to equal minority rights
* opposed to advanced Medical research

This would be the minimum reuqirement to be President of the "Republican" States

One of my neighbors voted Republican. She is:

Female (obviously)
Black
Single (widowed)
Mid forties
Middle class
Pro equal rights (not surprisingly).

On the other hand, she is American by birth, a Baptist (does that count as "born again"?) and her husband was in the military (though not a General). I have no idea what her views are on medical research.

She's nice.

 

[Yukon]

Tigerbob,

Not all negro people are smart, just like all caucasin people are not Liberal/Democrats.

 

[xotoxi]

Not all negro people are smart, just like all caucasin people are not Liberal/Democrats.

Hey Yukon,

What is the drink of choice for Canadian alcoholics like yourself?

 

[xotoxi]

Yukon,

Change your avatar to this:

 

[007]

If Republicans had therir way the following criteria would have to be met by Law before anyone could be President:

Must be:

* Born in the USA (aka Bruce S.)
* Male
* White
* Married (perferable once to a woman)
* over age 60
* Born again Christian
* Wealthy
* Former General in the Armed Forces (or equivalent)
* opposed to equal minority rights
* opposed to advanced Medical research

This would be the minimum reuqirement to be President of the "Republican" States

OH... EXACTLY!!!! ... and that's why we have a young, black, liberal President with no military experience.

SHUT THE FUCK UP you ignorant sack of pig piss.

 

[elvis]

If Republicans had therir way the following criteria would have to be met by Law before anyone could be President:

Must be:

* Born in the USA (aka Bruce S.)
* Male
* White
* Married (perferable once to a woman)
* over age 60
* Born again Christian
* Wealthy
* Former General in the Armed Forces (or equivalent)
* opposed to equal minority rights
* opposed to advanced Medical research

This would be the minimum reuqirement to be President of the "Republican" States

Based on your posts, I thiank God we have the first stipulation.

 

[mightypeon]

The idea is fairly dumb for a number of reasons:

Even in Germany, were we still have conscription, a basic conscript will not get above Seargent (if he enter for 4 years he can get up to Leutnant, but that wouldnt be a concscript anymore).
I do not neccesarily think that a Seargent has much of a clue about army scale operations (apart from logistics beeing the most important point and that things will likely turn out FUBAR).

Mind you, Hitler (who was a basic conscript) did not have much of a clue regarding logistics, and decided that his own "Military experience" gave him enough knowledge to override decisions of his generals. Dunkirk, Leningrad, Stalingrad etc. did not really work out to Germanys advantadge because of that.

I really think that deciding the requirements for beeing/becoming president should be left to the voters.

 

[elvis]

Tigerbob,

Not all negro people are smart, just like all caucasin people are not Liberal/Democrats.

You might want to learn how to spell before you start making judgments on who is intelligent and who is not.

 

[elvis]

The idea is fairly dumb for a number of reasons:

Even in Germany, were we still have conscription, a basic conscript will not get above Seargent (if he enter for 4 years he can get up to Leutnant, but that wouldnt be a concscript anymore).
I do not neccesarily think that a Seargent has much of a clue about army scale operations (apart from logistics beeing the most important point and that things will likely turn out FUBAR).

Mind you, Hitler (who was a basic conscript) did not have much of a clue regarding logistics, and decided that his own "Military experience" gave him enough knowledge to override decisions of his generals. Dunkirk, Leningrad, Stalingrad etc. did not really work out to Germanys advantadge because of that.

I really think that deciding the requirements for beeing/becoming president should be left to the voters.

HItler volunteered, correct?

 

[mightypeon]

To an extent, as an Austrian at that time he choose to get into the German army, since that seemed preferable to beeing conscripted into the Austro-Hungarian one.

 

[elvis]

To an extent, as an Austrian at that time he choose to get into the German army, since that seemed preferable to beeing conscripted into the Austro-Hungarian one.

and he went to France, the western front?

 

[007]

To an extent, as an Austrian at that time he choose to get into the German army, since that seemed preferable to beeing conscripted into the Austro-Hungarian one.

So how is Hitler's legacy looked upon in Germany?

 

[mightypeon]

Well, for the Moral part he is the total evil, for the Machiavellian parts he is plain stupid (Germany could have won WW2 with different decisions, beeing relativly benign to the Russians could have allowed victory in the East, declaring war on the US was dumb at the point it occured, going for the kill at Dunkirk could have knocked out Britain etc.).
For both parts its also shame since we allowed a stupid moron to lead our country into doom and change the land of poets and thinkers to the land of torturers and executioners.

Evil and Stupid are the things that come to my mind.


Yes, Hitler was western front, he and Churchill had a good Shot (literally) of killing each other.

 

[Xenophon]

and he went to France, the western front?

Hitler served in a bavarian regiment, the 16th, he had special permission to join from the Bavarin king Ludwig(the German empire was not all one country, even in 1914, it was a federation of states, with prussia being the largest, the kaiser was German Emperor AND King of Prussia).

Hitler fought in some of the worst battles in the great war, Ypers and Messines ridge in 1914 earning the Iron cross 2nd class, wounded on the Somme in 1916 he again shows up in the vicious fight for Passchendaele in 1917, earns Iron cross 1st Class for hazardous duty as messenger in the Artois sector and was gassed and nearly killed near Ypers in October of 1918.

 

[tigerbob]

Tigerbob,

Not all negro people are smart, just like all caucasin people are not Liberal/Democrats.

You've lost me.

 

[007]

Well, for the Moral part he is the total evil, for the Machiavellian parts he is plain stupid (Germany could have won WW2 with different decisions, beeing relativly benign to the Russians could have allowed victory in the East, declaring war on the US was dumb at the point it occured, going for the kill at Dunkirk could have knocked out Britain etc.).
For both parts its also shame since we allowed a stupid moron to lead our country into doom and change the land of poets and thinkers to the land of torturers and executioners.

Evil and Stupid are the things that come to my mind.


Yes, Hitler was western front, he and Churchill had a good Shot (literally) of killing each other.

Well, I have more ancestory from Germany than any other european nation, but, to me, I'm an American first and foremost. But I don't think anyone judges you modern day Germans as "torturers and executioners" any more than modern day people judge Americans as "slave owners." What ever Hitler lacked in intelligence he made up for in charisma. Much like what we have now with obama. Hitler led Germany into ruin. obama is working on leading America into ruin as we speak. All we'll need is for another war to break out and his failure will be complete.

 

[Toome]

No.

Military service is more complex than just having worn the uniform. From a military perspective, I would not want someone serving as President of the United States who made it no higher than the rank of E-4 specialist or 0-2 lieutenant, for example. I wouldn't even want someone who rose no higher than E-6 staff sergeant or 0-4 major. Nothing against people who achieve these ranks, but in the military sense, they have not yet even begun to fully understand the Big Picture enough to fully understand the ins-and-outs of their specific military branch of service or the entire DoD.

As for those who have made a career out of the military and made it to flag officer level, the opposite takes effect: I want someone who knows a thing or two about the economy, international relations, commerce, politics, etc.

A presidential candidate who has touched the elephant gets my respect because hopefully that president will carefully consider the ugly realities of war before committing our troops. And hopefully that president will not hesitate to use American power when it is needed.

There's more to being the President of the United States than just the Commander in Chief. While military experience is a factor in how I decide whom to vote for, I don't believe it should be a requirement. What's next? Mandating that the President also have served as a CEO of a Fortune 500 corporation as a qualification for overseeing the economy? I like the constitutional requirements exactly as written. No need to "improve" upon it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Agreed.

Our volunteer military is one of the greatest attributes this nation has.

i don't necessarily agree with a draft. just wondering if the prez should have military experience, given that he's in charge of it.

I'm afraid I don't understand your point. Why SHOULD he/she have been in the military? The concept of civilian control of the military is rather the point of making the President Commander in Chief. It isn't as though deciding military strategy and troop dispersal is part of his job description. He has advisors who have been in the military (the Joint Chiefs of Staff, anyone?) for that purpose. It is his job to set foreign policy according to the needs and goals of the nation at large - which is mostly civilian - and then send the military where needed to enforce that policy. That doesn't require any personal experience with having been a service member.

I will say, however, that if the President HAS served in the military, then I want him/her to have done so honorably, in a manner that befits and upholds the proud tradition of the US military. If he/she is of an age to have been called for a draft, then I want him/her to have abided by the law of the land regarding it. This speaks to character, which IS a job requirement as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, the Constitutional requirements in place have served us well for over 200 years. I don't want to change the natural born requirement either.

How in the hell did the constitution allowed for taxation. Did we rebel from British because of taxation?

No, we rebelled from the British because of taxation without representation. We have representation now. Granted, many of them don't listen to us, but we have them.