Should Churches Be Forced to Accomodate for Homosexual Adoptions?

[QuickHitCurepon]

They can shut all the gays they wish if they are a private adoption agency, I have no problem with that whatsoever. They want all the perks of being a private agency all the while gobbling funds from the taxpayers. CC cannot have it both ways. Either you are a private agency and place children in any family unit you want or you are a public agency that has to abide by the rules that come attached with the money that is provided by the taxpayers. You don't get to be both.

Yes, but they won't get the children from the state no matter what they do.

 

[Disir]

That's a lie.

 

[WorldWatcher]

No, they are not entitled to anything. No organization has a right to taxpayer funded government contract. That would be like Planned Parenthood suing the government and claiming since they have done business together for a long time that those funds are automatically owed to them. Nobody is owed a taxpayer funded government contract.

You cannot totally shut them out. It is un-American.

Their not being shut out of assisting with adoptions. They are choosing not to take taxpayer funds.


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It is a religious thing where there is no choice. Same thing.

They are free to assist with adoptions based on their religious beliefs.


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Such as how?

Such as how what?

They function as a privately funded organization instead of a state funded organization.


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[QuickHitCurepon]

That's a lie.

Am I mistaken? Why don't you explain how the state is still going to send kids to the church then.

 

[mdk]

They can shut all the gays they wish if they are a private adoption agency, I have no problem with that whatsoever. They want all the perks of being a private agency all the while gobbling funds from the taxpayers. CC cannot have it both ways. Either you are a private agency and place children in any family unit you want or you are a public agency that has to abide by the rules that come attached with the money that is provided by the taxpayers. You don't get to be both.

Yes, but they won't get the children from the state no matter what they do.

I am sorry my dear, you seem a like genuinely kind person. Really you do. That being said; on this particular issue, we are going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think anything we can say to each other is going to change our positions at this point.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

You cannot totally shut them out. It is un-American.

Their not being shut out of assisting with adoptions. They are choosing not to take taxpayer funds.


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It is a religious thing where there is no choice. Same thing.

They are free to assist with adoptions based on their religious beliefs.


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Such as how?

Such as how what?

They function as a privately funded organization instead of a state funded organization.


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Such as how would they do that "based on their religious beliefs."

 

[Disir]

That's a lie.

Am I mistaken? Why don't you explain how the state is still going to send kids to the church then.

First of all it's a religiously affiliated organization, not a church. Secondly, the Catholic Charities need only comply. So, it isn't a question of no matter what they do.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

The fact is that in the US they are replaceable and the Catholic Charities was smart enough to close the agencies and allow the other agencies to continue to handle the cases. You attempt to use children as a weapon.

How are the children being used as a weapon?

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

That's a lie.

Am I mistaken? Why don't you explain how the state is still going to send kids to the church then.

First of all it's a religiously affiliated organization, not a church. Secondly, the Catholic Charities need only comply. So, it isn't a question of no matter what they do.

It has been already well-established the church has absolutely decided not to adopt kids to gays, so again, the state won't send them the kids anymore. That's it.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

The result is far fewer children available for adoption. If gay families MUST be satisfied the children will have to be taken from intact families. Mothers and fathers will just have to be declared unfit and their children taken from them to make the gay mafia happy.

Indeed, that is why the state should play fair towards the church, because they could easily be seen as showing favoritism towards gays, which can lead to a slippery slope where Child Protective Services starts to exaggerate circumstances or invent reasons to take children from heartbroken parents. This could easily become the perception or reality.

 

[Disir]

The fact is that in the US they are replaceable and the Catholic Charities was smart enough to close the agencies and allow the other agencies to continue to handle the cases. You attempt to use children as a weapon.

How are the children being used as a weapon?

The result is far fewer children available for adoption. If gay families MUST be satisfied the children will have to be taken from intact families. Mothers and fathers will just have to be declared unfit and their children taken from them to make the gay mafia happy.

Indeed, that is why the state should play fair towards the church, because they could easily be seen as showing favoritism towards gays, which can lead to a slippery slope where Child Protective Services starts to exaggerate circumstances or invent reasons to take children from heartbroken parents. This could easily become the perception or reality.

That's a lie.

 

[Disir]

The fact is that in the US they are replaceable and the Catholic Charities was smart enough to close the agencies and allow the other agencies to continue to handle the cases. You attempt to use children as a weapon.

How are the children being used as a weapon?

Homophobia has reached a level where children are being thrown.

 

[Disir]

That's a lie.

Am I mistaken? Why don't you explain how the state is still going to send kids to the church then.

First of all it's a religiously affiliated organization, not a church. Secondly, the Catholic Charities need only comply. So, it isn't a question of no matter what they do.

It has been already well-established the church has absolutely decided not to adopt kids to gays, so again, the state won't send them the kids anymore. That's it.

Well not for that service.

 

[Katzndogz]

The result is far fewer children available for adoption. If gay families MUST be satisfied the children will have to be taken from intact families. Mothers and fathers will just have to be declared unfit and their children taken from them to make the gay mafia happy.

Indeed, that is why the state should play fair towards the church, because they could easily be seen as showing favoritism towards gays, which can lead to a slippery slope where Child Protective Services starts to exaggerate circumstances or invent reasons to take children from heartbroken parents. This could easily become the perception or reality.

That is exactly what is intended to happen.

 

[Disir]

The result is far fewer children available for adoption. If gay families MUST be satisfied the children will have to be taken from intact families. Mothers and fathers will just have to be declared unfit and their children taken from them to make the gay mafia happy.

Indeed, that is why the state should play fair towards the church, because they could easily be seen as showing favoritism towards gays, which can lead to a slippery slope where Child Protective Services starts to exaggerate circumstances or invent reasons to take children from heartbroken parents. This could easily become the perception or reality.

That is exactly what is intended to happen.

And another lie, but it's Kats.........always fact free.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Their not being shut out of assisting with adoptions. They are choosing not to take taxpayer funds.


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It is a religious thing where there is no choice. Same thing.

They are free to assist with adoptions based on their religious beliefs.


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Such as how?

Such as how what?

They function as a privately funded organization instead of a state funded organization.


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Such as how would they do that "based on their religious beliefs."

Ahhhhh - they function as a privately funded organization instead of a state funded organization.


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[Silhouette]

First of all it's a religiously affiliated organization, not a church. Secondly, the Catholic Charities need only comply. So, it isn't a question of no matter what they do.

Catholics CANNOT comply if it means promoting the homosexual culture. That's like asking an orthodox jew to eat raw pork while he works on Friday and if he doesn't, threatening to burn his synagogue down. Is there an end to your hubris?

That's a rhetorical question because those of us who have been watching your choreographed incremental progression realize we are dealing with a rival cult hellbent [literally] on extinguishing its nemesis [religions of altruism and personal restraint]....know the answer is "no". No, there is no end to your hubris and your "legal pushing". And that's precisely why I started this thread. To expose that. Thanks for participating "Disir".

 

[Disir]

First of all it's a religiously affiliated organization, not a church. Secondly, the Catholic Charities need only comply. So, it isn't a question of no matter what they do.

Catholics CANNOT comply if it means promoting the homosexual culture. That's like asking an orthodox jew to eat raw pork while he works on Friday and if he doesn't, threatening to burn his synagogue down. Is there an end to your hubris?

That's a rhetorical question because those of us who have been watching your choreographed incremental progression realize we are dealing with a rival cult hellbent [literally] on extinguishing its nemesis [religions of altruism and personal restraint]....know the answer is "no". No, there is no end to your hubris and your "legal pushing". And that's precisely why I started this thread. To expose that. Thanks for participating "Disir".

People like you disgust me. You don't have an argument. You use children as a weapon. You are so ignorant that you're nothing more than a tool. Another high school drop out bimbo.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

That's a lie.

Am I mistaken? Why don't you explain how the state is still going to send kids to the church then.

First of all it's a religiously affiliated organization, not a church. Secondly, the Catholic Charities need only comply. So, it isn't a question of no matter what they do.

The Court ruling in Hobby Lobby has established that companies have a right to practice their religion.


You're welcome.

 

[WorldWatcher]

That's a lie.

Am I mistaken? Why don't you explain how the state is still going to send kids to the church then.

First of all it's a religiously affiliated organization, not a church. Secondly, the Catholic Charities need only comply. So, it isn't a question of no matter what they do.

The Court ruling in Hobby Lobby has established that companies have a right to practice their religion.


You're welcome.

Did that case rule there was an entitlement to receive a government contract when the organization desiring to be awarded the contract has indicated they will not fulfill the requirements of it?


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