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Apologies for being redundant but is this sickness a new malady? No? It didn't seem to have hurt Obama....why is it going to poison the well for Clinton?Just as aside...how long do you guys think you should have to work before you can retire?
Most often your examples are not the case and what isn't reported when you see something like that is that in most cases, the week-to-week pay is lower than the private sector and the are usually no bonuses paid to public employees. Yes, there are exceptions to that on the lower end of the skills spectrum (the guy picking up dead animals on the side of the road probably makes more than the guy delivering Pepsi--he should).
Again, this is a political discussion. If your candidate's single claim to fame is that he "fixed" the problem of people retiring after 25-35 years of service, that is going to win him a lot of votes in non-union states. In union states, the same claim to fame is going to hurt him. The electoral map is such that if you take the 2012 election as template, the GOP needs to swing 64 votes. The purple states of:
Guy, here's the problem. Folks in Union states are pretty sick of that sort of shit, too. We are sick of the teacher who can't be fired when he shows up drunk to your kid's class and sleeps until fourth period We are tired of the fat truck driver who gets paid time and a half for sitting out in a snow plow on a sunny day.
And we are getting really sick of sales taxes and property taxes and income taxes to pay for it all.
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Will decide this election. The math tells us that the GOP needs 4 or 5 of them to flip. Many of them are union states. Joe correctly pointed out that there are not that many union households. I agree but those households with non-union employees (in many cases) have parents who benefited from union membership or have union sympathetic voters (Joe said he would like to have a union job). Are they going to vote for the guy whose soul accomplishment was to eradicate those jobs?
But going through your list of states, they ALL have Republican governors right now... except for PA and VA.
Union bashing is not going to cost Walker in the General. There simply aren't enough union guys left who are up for grabs.
Apologies for being redundant but is this sickness a new malady? No? It didn't seem to have hurt Obama....why is it going to poison the well for Clinton?
Romney said he likes to fire people which is in essence what you're talking about and he lost every state (almost) that was contested.
I forget....who won OH, WI, PA, and MI in 2012?
The connection is so great that Obama won his state....pretty easily too if memory serves. Did Walker not campaign for Romney? Hell, the VP nominee was from WI too.Apologies for being redundant but is this sickness a new malady? No? It didn't seem to have hurt Obama....why is it going to poison the well for Clinton?
Romney said he likes to fire people which is in essence what you're talking about and he lost every state (almost) that was contested.
Romney lost every contested state because he was a Weird Mormon Robot with a Dancing Horse.
Scott, on the other hand, actually connects with working folks and their concerns. And yes, one of those concerns is paying out the nose for government that is too big and too expensive.
I forget....who won OH, WI, PA, and MI in 2012?
WHich doesn't mean Hillary can win them. Romney and Obama aren't running again. even if they were, I'm not sure you'd get the same result today.
You see, the main thing that boosted Obama in 2012 was that a LOT of people weren't really keen to admit- even to themselves- they made a mistake in 2008. This is why incumbents usually get second terms.
Once you get a new candidate, a lot of those people become free agents again.
Now, Hillary could probably beat Bush. I'm not sure she could beat Walker.
he connection is so great that Obama won his state....pretty easily too if memory serves. Did Walker not campaign for Romney? Hell, the VP nominee was from WI too.
OBAMA WON IT BY 6%
I'Yes, union membership is down but the people voting have fathers and grand fathers who put food on the table with their union jobs. That operation they had when they were 6 due to an illness they caught...that insurance to pay for the surgery was fought for by the unions; US Steel didn't willingly pay for that. You yourself said you'd like a union job. So I really don't know why you'd want to be characterized the way you characterize their membership...fat, lazy, over paid, and not ethical. It's a mystery, Joe.
Anyway, Walker has been defined already, it's a scarlet letter he's been branded with and no amount of PAC money will cover it up.
I can only hope they take your advice and nominate him. It's going to be an easy victory for the Democrats if they keep their house in order which is always 10 seconds away from unraveling itself.
Scott, on the other hand, actually connects with working folks and their concerns. And yes, one of those concerns is paying out the nose for government that is too big and too expensive.
He wants to sell the Government to Koch Industries
For a glimpse at the soul of JoeB131...here is a quote from the nasty white supremacist
"most folks are cool with prisoners [in US Jails] being abused"
He posted that in response to my posting on a prisoner that was boiled alive in Florida by the Government because Rick Scott was making his corporate friends some money
FL Prison Guards Boil Mentally Ill Inmate Alive
He says its OK for Walker to be corrupt in favor Koch and other corporate thieves as long as Unions that have Black folks in them get hurt...
This is what goes over real well....... That's going to go over really well.
This is what goes over real well......
"most folks are cool with prisoners [in US Jails] being abused"
He posted that in response to my posting on a prisoner that was boiled alive in Florida by the Government because Rick Scott was making his corporate friends some money
FL Prison Guards Boil Mentally Ill Inmate Alive
He says its OK for Walker to be corrupt in favor Koch and other corporate thieves as long as Unions that have Black folks in them get hurt...
The issue is the Constitution although I do care for this individual and what the State did to him ...assholes like you are quick to ditch the Constitution in favor of your BIGOTRYGuy, no one is weeping over THIS guy... A convicted crackhead who was thrown in a shower for defecating in his cell...
The very best people in history have gone to jails and prisond...Martin Luther King went to jail, Nelson Mandela went to prison , Jesus Christ assuming a historical figure went to hoosegow...
JoeB131 pretends to be reasonable but his position can be describes as "Fuck the Constitution and its prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment" fuck all that
The issue is the Constitution although I do care for this individual and what the State did to him ...assholes like you are quick to ditch the Constitution in favor of your BIGOTRY
You used the picture because a white Supremacist bastard like you does not care what happens to Black folks..
Folks here you have proof that JoeB131 approves of prisoners being boiled alive
He says being mentally ill means one can boil him alive
I should be in a mental hospital ???again, guy should have been in a mental hospital.
Oh, wait, no, you liberals closed down all the mental hospitals in the 1970's. Good work.
I should be in a mental hospital ???
can you confirm this as your quote
This is why Joeb131["most folks are cool with prisoners [in US Jails] being abused"] supports Walker ...lines up nicely with his desire to torture black prisoners
Guy, you are the reason why Republicans win elections.
I think we need to put Republican criminals ,like the Walker convicted staff members , into prison the run according to your principle that it is OK with most folks for prisoners to be boiled alive...question are you a member of ISIS ?I'm GLAD we have prisons."
