Saudis still stereotyped in the West

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    Sometimes you should get an honest view... instead of all the ignorant hate sites.


    Saudis still stereotyped in the West | Arab News ? Saudi Arabia News, Middle East News, Opinion, Economy and more.

    Author: RIYADH: HAYAT AHMAD

    Saudis still stereotyped in the West

    Fri, 2014-02-07 03:00

    Saudis are still stereotyped in the West as either being super rich, terrorists or riding camels out in the desert, say foreigners who have lived and worked here.


    Western journalists, media houses and people on social networking sites, often reinforce these views, they say.

    “The image of Saudi Arabia in the West is not positive at all,” says Bernard Haykel, professor of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, who has visited the Kingdom several times for research.

    “It is summed up by the trilogy of excessive wealth, abuse of women and intolerance for other religions. Of course, when Westerners visit the Kingdom and see it for what it is, a place like any other with positive and negative sides, but also a very kind and welcoming people, their ideas change. However, there is an industry of people in the West and elsewhere who make it their business to vilify KSA and to depict the most negative image of the place.”

    “The Hajis who come to visit Makkah and Madinah have a different experience and I think they should be considered ambassadors for KSA because they can provide positive stories about their experiences,” he says.


    Karen Martin, a professor at Niagra College in Canada, who taught at King Faisal Specialist Hospital and Research Center for one year, says: “From the time I first arrived in Riyadh, I loved it. I loved the bright blue cloudless skies, the scent of perfume and incense in the air. Saudis have been so welcoming to me. My students, while initially a little reserved, made me feel both welcome and loved.”


    “I think that it is only a lack of knowledge or familiarity with Saudi Arabia that leaves many Westerners with extreme stereotypes. Because it is a closed country, the only contact or knowledge that most Westerners have of Saudi is of Osama bin Laden and 9/11. Most Westerners know only of the 9/11 attacks or a romanticized version of Saudi Arabia from movies such as Lawrence of Arabia. Most Westerners have never met a Saudi national in person, and that makes stereotypes much more likely, I think. Most Westerners have no access to Saudi media. Therefore, even if the Saudi media were promoting a positive side of Saudi culture, few Westerners would see it. Where I do see positive portrayals of Saudi Arabia is generally through non-news sources, such as Facebook pages for businesses in Saudi that tend to promote a more positive view.”


    Commenting on cultural differences, Martin says: “Although I knew this logically, what my time in Saudi Arabia has taught me is that underneath people are so much more the same than they are different. Getting to know my students, being invited to their homes, and hearing them talk about their lives, has given me a unique insight into the lives of young Saudis. Many of these remarkable young men and women have become close friends of mine.”

    On Saudi women, Martin says: “I think that one of the things I was most surprised to see was the strength and determination of Saudi women. Because of the West’s perceptions about the status of women in Saudi Arabia, I was surprised by how strong and outspoken so many young Saudi women are.”

    The blurred image that Westerners hold of Saudis is mutual. Saudis here believe what they watch on television about the crime rates in the West. They believe criminals will rob, kidnap or kill them just like in Western movies.

    Muhammad Ahmad, a Saudi living in Canada, says this was his experience: “My first trip outside Saudi Arabia was to Johannesburg, South Africa, which is known for its high crime rate. From the stories I heard from friends and colleagues during my course I became paranoid. When I came to Canada in 2009, I combined this with what I saw in movies.”

    “I remember the first days in Toronto were awful. I never left the house after dark. I imagined myself shot in a back alley. I laugh so hard when I remember those days. Only months after that, I was able to walk in downtown Toronto at 4 a.m. with no problem at all. Whenever my Canadian friends hear the story, they laugh. I tell them that I'll laugh at their stories when they visit Saudi Arabia one day. And I did.”

    Ali Mohammad, a Saudi student in Kentucky, US, says: “I noticed that most Americans rely on their media to get their knowledge, especially about Saudi Arabia. They believe whatever the media promote, and most of them much to my surprise, do not read about politics. This makes it easy for the media to influence them either positively or negatively.”
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    People are stereotyped the world over, why should they be any different?
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    I see your point.
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    ...Saudis who don't let women vote or drive and treat them like property and goats who have to cover themselves in public, Saudis who don't let non Muslims enter Mecca, Saudis who openly practice relgious persecution and incarcerate those to wear crosses or openly practice any faith other than Islam, Saudis who hold public execution and decapitations, Saudis who officially have a medieval system of Islamic laws called "Shariah".....are stereotyped! Gee! I wonder why that is?!
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    They let women drive yet?
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    That's one law we should adopt here in the US. Ban women, Asians, and seniors from driving. And if you happen to be an Asian woman who is also a senior citizen, just put them behind bars before they kill somebody.
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    Your ignorance is amazing.

    Anywhere but Saudi Arabia! Experiences of a once reluctant expat
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    Actually I know about Saudi Arabia more than you think I do. I know many businessmen that have traveled there and they all tell me it's a backwards ass medieval shithole that's growing fast, and they couldn't wait to back home. Your life in Saudi Arabia in a military style "enclosed compound" does not reflect what life is really like over there, idiot.

    Actually I have a funny anecdotal story a businessman who traveled there told me. He said the company host that had invited him over suggested they go to a high end mall for shopping and grabbing something to eat, after their business meetings were over with. While sitting in a mall restaurant, the associate elbows him and tells him "check that woman out" type of thing, the American business man looks up and see's what seemed to be a young woman totally covered from head to toe in a veil walking with her friends. "What did he want me to CHECK OUT?!" We laughed.
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    If the Saudi Royalty would spend money on PR as opposed to their orgies in Las Vegas, maybe we'd have a different point of view.
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    Business people generally don't stay but a week or so..... and they don't get to know many people or travel in country.. Its unlikely that they would be invited to someone's home or see unveiled women in Jeddah.
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    If your knowledge of Saudi Arabia matches your Biblical knowledge, I would have trouble believing anything you post on the subject.
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    You are pathetic..

    Why do you think there are 40,000 Americans living in Saudi Arabia today?

    As for Biblical knowledge..... You don't have a lock on that ...

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    Depends what their business there is about, moron. Sometimes they need to stay there for a week or two, sometimes a month, sometimes they get six months multi entry visas, and sometimes they get a five or ten year multi entry. If a company in the US is trying to establish a franchise in Saudi Arabia, it's going to require frequent visits and longer stays.

    But we have Sharoona the Sharmoota who claims to know everything there is about every visitor to Saudi Arabia and their purpose of visit and duration of stay.

    Get lost, ignoramus!
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    You have a vile mouth...

    What is telling is that YOU have never been to KSA or anywhere else.
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    Do you? It did not stop you from posting your idiotic propagandaist
    BS It is true that all people are "stereotyped" MOST people in
    the world are quite naive. SO? That fact does not excuse the vile
    filth of Saudi arabia and the stench of shariah.

    "PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW" is the opening line to lots of mendacious
    propaganda. "IF THEY ONLY KNEW ...." LOL--

    right-----about fifteen years ago-----one of my junior colleagues-----
    a shiny eyed pakistani opthamologist ASSURED ME----
    that THE TALIBAN ARE DOING SOMETHING WONDERFUL
    FOR AFGHANISTAN -----SOMETHING "YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND"--

    -------well-----that poor kid had no idea just what I DO
    UNDERSTAND-----I did not tell him -----I just nodded. It is true
    that most americans simply do not know----and propagandaists
    like shaar exploit that fact with maudlin stupidity
    "see? we have babies too......"
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    Most of the 40,000 Americans in Saudi Arabia are there as military advisors working in the Aerospace or in other military advisory position, or they are there on behalf of American oil industry working with ARAMCO Saudi National Oil. There are others in other fields of course, such as research, teaching, and medical, but the ONLY reason people go to live and work in that shithole is because THE PAY IS GOOD. Period end of story. So if you are out of work or looking to make more money, and don't mind living in a medieval country, check out employment opportunities in Saudi Arabian. Ha ha ha.
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    I work with people and there are people at the gym who have done exactly that.
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    Fuck if you're desperate enough, you can go work in a war torn country if you want to. They always pay double or triple (at least) for the same type of job here.
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    You work in a gym????

    The pay is great in KSA but the lifestyle and perks are exceptional.. as are the educational advantages.

    None of Roudy's friends have spent much time in the kingdom.. If they had they wouldn't be so ignorant.

    He thinks they are military advisors.. They also build turbines.. they are in communications. agriculture, manufacturing, financial institutions and education..
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