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How old are you?True. It will result in many more. The math is simple. Companies will do better dumping employees on the exchanges where the lower paid ones will get subsidies for new policies than by keeping their old systems. The penalties will be less than the expected premiums. It's pretty simple. Except if you're stupidThe employer mandate, to which you were obviously making a reference, kicks in next year. I've already explained several times on this forum why you tards who think it will result in 93 million people being disenrolled from grandfathered plans are wrong.g5000
When do all the provisions of OBAMACARE kick in?
Employers discontinuing healthcare because their employees can get better coverage at a better price on the exchanges. Sounds like a win for everybody. Thanks for you hard work getting us the availability of reasonably priced healthcare Mr. President Well done.
Employers with 50 or more full time employees can't cancel the health insurance. Or they have to pay an employer shared responsibility payment on their federal income taxes at the end of the year.
Small business with less than 50 full time employees get subsidies from the government to pay for the insurance for their employees.
So there's no incentive or any way for employers to cancel the employee insurance.
I have said quite a few times on this forum that ObamaCare is here to stay. Some of the dumber rubes mistook that to mean I support Obama and/or ObamaCare. I was also ridiculed for thinking ObamaCare is here to stay.
But I was just looking at reality and forecasting the obvious. Well, what was obvious to any sane person, anyway. During the messy rollout, much hooting and hollerin forecasting ObamaCare's doom could be heard from the rubes who are not in touch with reality.
It should also be noted I said that once it finally sinks in with the GOP that ObamaCare really, really, really is here to stay, then they will stop calling it "ObamaCare" and will start calling it "the ACA".
As I explained back then, once they realize they can't kill it, they will be forced to try and fix all the shit that is broken in it. Finally. Instead of wasting years trying to repeal it, they could have been trying to fix the worst parts of it, but NOOOOOOOOoooo...
Now that the GOP is going to control Congress, but not ever have enough votes to repeal it, they will begin to start calling it the ACA. They will want to strip Obama's association from health reform as they go about patching it up and taking credit for "fixing" it.
Watch and see.
ACA is turning out to a boon for the citizen, business, and the tax payer. Good deal. Just like it is in all westernized nations who have national health care.
As I explained earlier, this is failed logic as can be seen by the fact that it has always been cheaper for employers to not provide insurance, and yet they have been providing it long before a mandate to do so.How old are you?
Employers will compare the cost of paying higher premiums with the cost of paying the penalty. IN general paying the penalty will be cheaper, and their lower paid employees will qualify for subsidies anyway. Result: Lots of cancelled policies.
No, want to get rid of socialized healthcare and the idiot Obutthurt..
The GOP had their chance and they blew it.
You want to take subsidized health insurance away from millions?
Good luck with that.
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As I explained earlier, this is failed logic as can be seen by the fact that it has always been cheaper for employers to not provide insurance, and yet they have been providing it long before a mandate to do so.How old are you?
Employers will compare the cost of paying higher premiums with the cost of paying the penalty. IN general paying the penalty will be cheaper, and their lower paid employees will qualify for subsidies anyway. Result: Lots of cancelled policies.
And premiums have been climbing for decades, again long before the ACA. If employers drop their employees, it won't be because of the ACA, it will be because they would have dropped them regardless if there is an ACA or no ACA.
The mandate penalty actually makes it LESS cheaper to not provide insurance than it was before ObamaCare.
Employers have already been laying off and not hiring because of obutthurtcare. You denying that is one more reason you are an idiot.As I explained earlier, this is failed logic as can be seen by the fact that it has always been cheaper for employers to not provide insurance, and yet they have been providing it long before a mandate to do so.How old are you?
Employers will compare the cost of paying higher premiums with the cost of paying the penalty. IN general paying the penalty will be cheaper, and their lower paid employees will qualify for subsidies anyway. Result: Lots of cancelled policies.
And premiums have been climbing for decades, again long before the ACA. If employers drop their employees, it won't be because of the ACA, it will be because they would have dropped them regardless if there is an ACA or no ACA.
The mandate penalty actually makes it LESS cheaper to not provide insurance than it was before ObamaCare.
What we will see is that some employers who currently do not provide insurance will start providing insurance because of the mandate, while some will choose to pay the penalty instead.
We certainly won't come anywhere close to approaching the 93 million disenrolled employees the more retarded hucksters have claimed we will see.
No, want to get rid of socialized healthcare and the idiot Obutthurt..
The GOP had their chance and they blew it.
You want to take subsidized health insurance away from millions?
Good luck with that.
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True. It will result in many more. The math is simple. Companies will do better dumping employees on the exchanges where the lower paid ones will get subsidies for new policies than by keeping their old systems. The penalties will be less than the expected premiums. It's pretty simple. Except if you're stupidThe employer mandate, to which you were obviously making a reference, kicks in next year. I've already explained several times on this forum why you tards who think it will result in 93 million people being disenrolled from grandfathered plans are wrong.g5000
When do all the provisions of OBAMACARE kick in?
Employers discontinuing healthcare because their employees can get better coverage at a better price on the exchanges. Sounds like a win for everybody. Thanks for you hard work getting us the availability of reasonably priced healthcare Mr. President Well done.
Obama has delayed it's implementation.
He has only delayed part of its implementation.
True... now I wonder why the design of the law delays implementation of the most destructive aspects of the law, until obama is GONE?
What are the chances that THAT shows that obama knows that the law is destructive and that his intention is to dump the blame for the destruction on his political opposition?
My position is that obamaScare is economic sabotage, OKA: treason.
conspiracy nutter
Christian fascist
As I explained earlier, this is failed logic as can be seen by the fact that it has always been cheaper for employers to not provide insurance, and yet they have been providing it long before a mandate to do so.How old are you?
Employers will compare the cost of paying higher premiums with the cost of paying the penalty. IN general paying the penalty will be cheaper, and their lower paid employees will qualify for subsidies anyway. Result: Lots of cancelled policies.
And premiums have been climbing for decades, again long before the ACA. If employers drop their employees, it won't be because of the ACA, it will be because they would have dropped them regardless if there is an ACA or no ACA.
The mandate penalty actually makes it LESS cheaper to not provide insurance than it was before ObamaCare. Before ObamaCare there was no penalty for dropping your employees due to the rising premiums we have been experiencing for decades.
What we will see is that some employers who currently do not provide insurance will start providing insurance because of the mandate, while some will choose to pay the penalty instead.
We certainly won't come anywhere close to approaching the 93 million disenrolled employees the more retarded hucksters have claimed we will see.
No, want to get rid of socialized healthcare and the idiot Obutthurt..
The GOP had their chance and they blew it.
You want to take subsidized health insurance away from millions?
Good luck with that.
.
socialized? really. how?
True. It will result in many more. The math is simple. Companies will do better dumping employees on the exchanges where the lower paid ones will get subsidies for new policies than by keeping their old systems. The penalties will be less than the expected premiums. It's pretty simple. Except if you're stupidThe employer mandate, to which you were obviously making a reference, kicks in next year. I've already explained several times on this forum why you tards who think it will result in 93 million people being disenrolled from grandfathered plans are wrong.g5000
When do all the provisions of OBAMACARE kick in?
Employers discontinuing healthcare because their employees can get better coverage at a better price on the exchanges. Sounds like a win for everybody. Thanks for you hard work getting us the availability of reasonably priced healthcare Mr. President Well done.
ROFLMNAO! Delusion PERSONIFIED... .
True. It will result in many more. The math is simple. Companies will do better dumping employees on the exchanges where the lower paid ones will get subsidies for new policies than by keeping their old systems. The penalties will be less than the expected premiums. It's pretty simple. Except if you're stupidThe employer mandate, to which you were obviously making a reference, kicks in next year. I've already explained several times on this forum why you tards who think it will result in 93 million people being disenrolled from grandfathered plans are wrong.g5000
When do all the provisions of OBAMACARE kick in?
Employers discontinuing healthcare because their employees can get better coverage at a better price on the exchanges. Sounds like a win for everybody. Thanks for you hard work getting us the availability of reasonably priced healthcare Mr. President Well done.
Most people I know don't think it is "reasonably" priced. Especially those who were knocked off of the "junk" plans they liked.
Keep saying it. It will still never be true.
If you have to ask your are dumber than you appear to be.No, want to get rid of socialized healthcare and the idiot Obutthurt..
The GOP had their chance and they blew it.
You want to take subsidized health insurance away from millions?
Good luck with that.
.
socialized? really. how?
True. It will result in many more. The math is simple. Companies will do better dumping employees on the exchanges where the lower paid ones will get subsidies for new policies than by keeping their old systems. The penalties will be less than the expected premiums. It's pretty simple. Except if you're stupidThe employer mandate, to which you were obviously making a reference, kicks in next year. I've already explained several times on this forum why you tards who think it will result in 93 million people being disenrolled from grandfathered plans are wrong.g5000
When do all the provisions of OBAMACARE kick in?
Employers discontinuing healthcare because their employees can get better coverage at a better price on the exchanges. Sounds like a win for everybody. Thanks for you hard work getting us the availability of reasonably priced healthcare Mr. President Well done.
ROFLMNAO! Delusion PERSONIFIED... .
Hello Keys. As I told you before, I find it a waste of time to directly interact with hard core crazy teabaggers , other than an occasional friendly hello, so....Hello
True. It will result in many more. The math is simple. Companies will do better dumping employees on the exchanges where the lower paid ones will get subsidies for new policies than by keeping their old systems. The penalties will be less than the expected premiums. It's pretty simple. Except if you're stupidThe employer mandate, to which you were obviously making a reference, kicks in next year. I've already explained several times on this forum why you tards who think it will result in 93 million people being disenrolled from grandfathered plans are wrong.g5000
When do all the provisions of OBAMACARE kick in?
Employers discontinuing healthcare because their employees can get better coverage at a better price on the exchanges. Sounds like a win for everybody. Thanks for you hard work getting us the availability of reasonably priced healthcare Mr. President Well done.
Most people I know don't think it is "reasonably" priced. Especially those who were knocked off of the "junk" plans they liked.
Keep saying it. It will still never be true.
But you only know people inside that fox bubble. Have you ever met a sane person?
None of that has happened- or is happening, brainwashed hater dupe lol. Change the channel and get some fresh air.Your argument fails because employers are not responsible for rising premiums.As I explained earlier, this is failed logic as can be seen by the fact that it has always been cheaper for employers to not provide insurance, and yet they have been providing it long before a mandate to do so.How old are you?
Employers will compare the cost of paying higher premiums with the cost of paying the penalty. IN general paying the penalty will be cheaper, and their lower paid employees will qualify for subsidies anyway. Result: Lots of cancelled policies.
And premiums have been climbing for decades, again long before the ACA. If employers drop their employees, it won't be because of the ACA, it will be because they would have dropped them regardless if there is an ACA or no ACA.
The mandate penalty actually makes it LESS cheaper to not provide insurance than it was before ObamaCare. Before ObamaCare there was no penalty for dropping your employees due to the rising premiums we have been experiencing for decades.
What we will see is that some employers who currently do not provide insurance will start providing insurance because of the mandate, while some will choose to pay the penalty instead.
We certainly won't come anywhere close to approaching the 93 million disenrolled employees the more retarded hucksters have claimed we will see.
Rising premiums costs are ALWAYS the result of rising demand and low availability. Can't be any other way.
Add to that natural law, the separation of the end user of the product/service... from the cost associated with the delivery of the product and/or service and the costs of such MUST EXPLODE and will do so until it rises beyond the means of the market to sustain those costs.
What you geniuses are trying to do, is to extend the separation and SUBSIDIZE THE COSTS... maintaining them well beyond the means of the market to sustain those costs, which can only produce the result typical of policy spawned from your special genius... that which is known as: CATASTROPHIC FAILURE!
Now let's review the most recent experience wherein policy spawned by the 'feelings' of the Left sought to substitute the sound, actuarial lending principles with your own special perversion of 'fairness'.
If you'll recall, that policy resulted into the collapse of the international financial markets... which to this day continues to threaten of the financial viability of the United States.
Which given the 'special' genius of you on the Left, since that catastrophic failure... what did you people do? Ya elected a cult which managed to increase US Federal deficits to 1500 billion PER YEAR! Adding, since the collapse of the US economy... another 7 trillion dollars in direct US federal debt... doubling all of the debt incurred by the US since it's INCEPTION.
Now... here we are with you're dark plan to cripple 1/7th of the US Economy... even as the Fed sits on its annual trillions which is propping up the Equity and Debt Markets, inflating the currency to the edge of their means to imagine they 'control' it... all of which will itself drive up towards the point where the market can no longer sustain it... and...
Guess what happens THEN?
No Subsidies...
No Insurance...
No Currency...
No Social Security...
No Medicaid...
No Medicare...
No obamacare...
BRILLIANT!
ACTUAL rise this year is 5.9%. What is wrong with transparent competition again?
Before O-Care, 500k bankruptcies/year for people who THOUGHT they had good insurance. Pub dupes!
