People Are Not Born Gay

[Syriusly]

Some straight married couples do not practice monogamy or have "open marriages" as well. Monogamy in marriage doesn't have an exactly wonderful record throughout it's history, so this appeal to tradition is faulty on it's face considering history is rife with infidelity.

It always amazes me, the stupidity of an argument against gay marriage (which encourages monogamy) because gays are too promiscuous.

It is nothing more than a last ditch attempt to deny gays marriage. Even the anti-gay marriage side is not making these types of arguments in court. Gays are promiscuous so they should be denied marriage is one of the weaker arguments I've encountered when discussing this topic. It isn't a very compelling argument.

Anti gay marriage side would NEVER make that argument in court. It is not politically correct.

Tell you what, if the liberal media didn't make gays into Christ like beings, you might not even be where you are now.

Can you imagine if the public actually knew the truth about gays and the incident of disease and psychological problems they have, not to mention their complete dismissal of monogamy, there probably wouldn't be one state that allows gay marriage today.

The American public is not allowed to hear facts, only emotion.

Mark

Those points you're trying to make aren't exclusive to homosexuals. They are equally prevalent in the hetero society but don't get much attention because people like yourself are so obsessed with outing the homosexuals. Go be an idiot elsewhere. Thank you.

If you were correct. then logically, the numbers from the CDC would show that gays only generate 3% of the problem, not 70%.

Like I said, I am willing to listen, not with emotion but with facts.

Mark

I have seen no evidence that you are basing your prejudice on anything but emotion- and not on the facts.

There is no rational basis for your opposition to gay marriage.

You claim that homosexual sex between men is 'dangerous' but as I have pointed out- all sex is 'dangerous'- but sex between two healthy homosexual men is no more dangerous than two healthy heterosexuals using birth control.

You claim to oppose the behaviors of gay men- the 'promiscuity' - but then you also oppose using the only mechanism our society has ever used to promote monogamy- which is marriage.

Your dilemma is that you just are against gay men having sex- and you would like that to be illegal- but you can't do that.

Since you can't make gay sex illegal- you just target homosexuals- and are opposed to any strategy to make sex safer for gay men.

And that is an emotional response- not one based upon facts.

 

[80zephyr]

There is absolutely no conclusive evidence to People Are Not Born Gay, which has nothing to do with marriage equality.

Are you reading the rest of this thread? Do you really want to legitimize an activity so detrimental to the people that partake in it?

Wouldn't it be better to simply leave them alone, than to celebrate an activity that is harmful?

Mark

The rest of the thread is a railroaded attempt against marriage equality.

It has failed.

A "railroad" attempt. Lol. Truth and logic were the attempt. It did fail though. Most people don't use truth or logic anymore.

Mark

 

[Syriusly]

Doesn't really matter because, IF you are a consenting adult and IF your actions harm no one, what you choose for your own life and who you choose as a partner is none of my business.

Would you agree with that?

MYOB

Absolutely. However, if its a choice, society does not have to condone it. It would be just like a person who does drugs. Make it legal, and let them live their lives. Should it be "normalized" by allowing them to marry?

Absolutely not.

Mark

We do allow people who use drugs to get married.

Sigh. The drugs have nothing to do with marriage.

Let me make this as clear as possible.

Don't encourage drug users to use drugs.

Don't encourage gay men to have gay sex.

How would we encourage them to have gay sex? By condoning marriage.

Come on folks, this ain't rocket science.

Mark

Then stop comparing drugs to homosexuals.

If your goal is to discourage gay men from having sex- then as any married person knows- you should be encouraging gay marriage.

Gay men have sex. Not only that but they have the legal right to have private consensual sex- just like I do.

Opposing gay marriage just means you don't want to encourage gay men to have safe sex- that you don't want to encourage gay men to be monogamous.

Really- are you one of those people who oppose condom use because you think it only encourages people to be promiscuous?

Like I stated before, gay men have no intention of being monogamous in marriage. Why would I want to encourage that?

Mark

If your goal is to discourage gay men from having sex- then as any married person knows- you should be encouraging gay marriage.

Gay men have sex. Not only that but they have the legal right to have private consensual sex- just like I do.

Opposing gay marriage just means you don't want to encourage gay men to have safe sex- that you don't want to encourage gay men to be monogamous.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Who said that? I say, if gays want to have sex, do it. I will also say, that society has a responsibility not to legitimize any action that is harmful to its participants.

Or, do you think we should have an "alcoholics" day as well?

Dingbat! Heteros do everything homos do: have sex, get sick, adulterate, fornicate, divorce, do drugs, have accidents, so forth and so on.

Son, you are no better in anyway than anyone else because you are heterosexual.

You are a hetero-fascist pure and simple.

 

[80zephyr]

Correct. But, now logic kicks in. If the gays, with 2% of the population, account for 70% of sexual diseases, can we now assume that not only is the practice of indiscriminate sex dangerous, but they are predisposed to that activity?

And, since they are, that gay sex is a danger just like alcohol and drugs?

Mark

Monogamous sex is something that should be encouraged. This hook-up culture among gays and straights is causing the rising STD rates. If anything you should be encouraging gays to settle down and get married.

I have studied this subject a very long time. Gay men have no want to "settle down". It is my belief that being promiscuous is part and parcel of being a gay man. It s not just the sexuality in this case that makes men gay.The statistics are overwhelmingly in favor of my viewpoint.

Mark

I am not disagree with the alarmingly high rate of STDs among the gay community. It is a very grave concern. I know many gay people; male and female, that are in long term monogamous relationships and that is what should be encouraged. Promiscuity is like playing Russian Roulette with your health.

You "know" they are being monogamous? Or is that your guess?

From all of my reading, gay men are not monogamous, while lesbians are better at it than even straight couples.

The problem with lesbians is that since they are women, they divorce. About 75% of all marriage that end in divorce is because the woman filed for it.

Now, you have TWO women married.

Tick, tick, tick...only a matter of time.

Mark

The heterosexual fornication and divorce rate is sky high, so you are talking about . . . marriage equality?

Translation: We have made is more acceptable to divorce and to cheat, and instead of trying to fix the family unit, we want to continue to diminish it.

Good plan!!

Mark

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yes, being prejudiced against homosexuality is a choice. It is a stupid choice, of course, because it is so arbitrary, and cannot withstand any rigors of inquiry as to WHY it is wrong any better than similar prejudices once held against being left handed.

"It's icky because people say it's icky and because people say it's icky, it's icky" doesn't cut it by way of argumentation. Such circular arguments are the stuff of children. The onus is upon all the bigots to explain WHY homosexuality consumes their thoughts to such an extent that they go on and on and one with their hatred of it. Is it inherently harmful? Does it involve coercion? Is it exploitative? Unless the answers are yes, there is absolutely no reason for the prejudice other than as opinions that have been taught but never questioned.

Similar

I could care less if its "icky". Fact is, gay "sex" is dangerous. Do you also think that drug users and alcoholics should be celebrated in this country?

I mean, not only allow it, but condone it?

Mark

Any type of sex, whether it be "gay" or hetero, can be dangerous. It's not about whether it's two vaginas or two penises that makes it a danger. It's the all-around lifestyle of each person---not just their sexuality.

Ummm. No. I'm sorry, but an anus is not designed to accommodate a penis. It is one of the reasons that their incident of sexual disease is sky high, compared to straights.

Mark

What about the hetero women who enjoy anal?

That would be a problem as well. Yet, the numbers do not show that it is significant. So logically, while married women will have anal sex, logic shows its rare.

Mark

LOGIC???

If you stopped watching gay porn, you would know that its actually not uncommon.

 

[80zephyr]

It always amazes me, the stupidity of an argument against gay marriage (which encourages monogamy) because gays are too promiscuous.

It is nothing more than a last ditch attempt to deny gays marriage. Even the anti-gay marriage side is not making these types of arguments in court. Gays are promiscuous so they should be denied marriage is one of the weaker arguments I've encountered when discussing this topic. It isn't a very compelling argument.

Anti gay marriage side would NEVER make that argument in court. It is not politically correct.

Tell you what, if the liberal media didn't make gays into Christ like beings, you might not even be where you are now.

Can you imagine if the public actually knew the truth about gays and the incident of disease and psychological problems they have, not to mention their complete dismissal of monogamy, there probably wouldn't be one state that allows gay marriage today.

The American public is not allowed to hear facts, only emotion.

Mark

Those points you're trying to make aren't exclusive to homosexuals. They are equally prevalent in the hetero society but don't get much attention because people like yourself are so obsessed with outing the homosexuals. Go be an idiot elsewhere. Thank you.

If you were correct. then logically, the numbers from the CDC would show that gays only generate 3% of the problem, not 70%.

Like I said, I am willing to listen, not with emotion but with facts.

Mark

I have seen no evidence that you are basing your prejudice on anything but emotion- and not on the facts.

There is no rational basis for your opposition to gay marriage.

You claim that homosexual sex between men is 'dangerous' but as I have pointed out- all sex is 'dangerous'- but sex between two healthy homosexual men is no more dangerous than two healthy heterosexuals using birth control.

You claim to oppose the behaviors of gay men- the 'promiscuity' - but then you also oppose using the only mechanism our society has ever used to promote monogamy- which is marriage.

Your dilemma is that you just are against gay men having sex- and you would like that to be illegal- but you can't do that.

Since you can't make gay sex illegal- you just target homosexuals- and are opposed to any strategy to make sex safer for gay men.

And that is an emotional response- not one based upon facts.

Lol. All sex is not as dangerous. And my FACTS have clearly shown that.

As to me wanting gay sex illegal...lol. Again.

Mark

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A statement by the Royal College of Psychiatrists that people are not born gay has been welcomed as "a major admission" by a Christian charity that helps men and women change unwanted same-sex feelings.
Core Issues Trust (CIT), which is campaigning against a ban on therapy being offered to people who want to move away from a homosexual lifestyle, says the latest statement by the Royal College admits what it previously denied
People Are Not Born Gay Affirms Royal College of Psychiatrists

Yep, even if it was genetic, it is still your choice to have same-sex pleasure or not. Anyone and everyone has a choice. Say yes or say no. It is really that simple...BUT queers choose to suck each other's dicks

Doesn't really matter because, IF you are a consenting adult and IF your actions harm no one, what you choose for your own life and who you choose as a partner is none of my business.

Would you agree with that?

MYOB

Absolutely. However, if its a choice, society does not have to condone it. It would be just like a person who does drugs. Make it legal, and let them live their lives. Should it be "normalized" by allowing them to marry?

Absolutely not.

Mark

Absolutely wrong.
The right to make a choice is the liberty protected by the Constitution, where to seek to deny citizens their civil rights as a result of that choice is un-Constitutional.

 

[bodecea]

And Lesbians have a lower % of STDs, particularly AIDS than anyone else. So...we should be the only ones who can legally marry using your logic.

Yes, if marriage was to bond any two humans together. Its not....

Mark

WHY one chooses to marry is no more the business of society, church, govt, meddlers, than the WHO.

If the goal is to cheapen marriage, and destroy the family unit, you are correct.

Do you want to be correct?

Mark

The idea of cheapening marriage is an emotional idea. About 50 percent of heterosexuals cheapen marriage by the way they function within a marriage and end up divorcing. Modern day life has made marriage something that is far less than sacred, and it has not been made that way by gays.

Another argument I hear a lot.

Translation: the left has cheapened marriage by advocating for divorce, single motherhood, and welfare. Since we have broken it, whats a few more cracks?

Mark

So...you are advocating now that liberals not be allowed legal marriage.................if you are consistant.

 

[80zephyr]

Who said that? I say, if gays want to have sex, do it. I will also say, that society has a responsibility not to legitimize any action that is harmful to its participants.

Or, do you think we should have an "alcoholics" day as well?

Dingbat! Heteros do everything homos do: have sex, get sick, adulterate, fornicate, divorce, do drugs, have accidents, so forth and so on.
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Son, you are no better in anyway than anyone else because you are heterosexual.

You are a hetero-fascist pure and simple.

Dingbat? Well, now I am sure they are getting mad. Your entire rant contained no facts at all.

My posts do. Why do you think that is?

Mark

 

[Darlene]

It is nothing more than a last ditch attempt to deny gays marriage. Even the anti-gay marriage side is not making these types of arguments in court. Gays are promiscuous so they should be denied marriage is one of the weaker arguments I've encountered when discussing this topic. It isn't a very compelling argument.

Anti gay marriage side would NEVER make that argument in court. It is not politically correct.

Tell you what, if the liberal media didn't make gays into Christ like beings, you might not even be where you are now.

Can you imagine if the public actually knew the truth about gays and the incident of disease and psychological problems they have, not to mention their complete dismissal of monogamy, there probably wouldn't be one state that allows gay marriage today.

The American public is not allowed to hear facts, only emotion.

Mark

Those points you're trying to make aren't exclusive to homosexuals. They are equally prevalent in the hetero society but don't get much attention because people like yourself are so obsessed with outing the homosexuals. Go be an idiot elsewhere. Thank you.

If you were correct. then logically, the numbers from the CDC would show that gays only generate 3% of the problem, not 70%.

Like I said, I am willing to listen, not with emotion but with facts.

Mark

I have seen no evidence that you are basing your prejudice on anything but emotion- and not on the facts.

There is no rational basis for your opposition to gay marriage.

You claim that homosexual sex between men is 'dangerous' but as I have pointed out- all sex is 'dangerous'- but sex between two healthy homosexual men is no more dangerous than two healthy heterosexuals using birth control.

You claim to oppose the behaviors of gay men- the 'promiscuity' - but then you also oppose using the only mechanism our society has ever used to promote monogamy- which is marriage.

Your dilemma is that you just are against gay men having sex- and you would like that to be illegal- but you can't do that.

Since you can't make gay sex illegal- you just target homosexuals- and are opposed to any strategy to make sex safer for gay men.

And that is an emotional response- not one based upon facts.

Lol. All sex is not as dangerous. And my FACTS have clearly shown that.

As to me wanting gay sex illegal...lol. Again.

Mark

You're silly. I'm done arguing with you.

 

[80zephyr]

Similar

I could care less if its "icky". Fact is, gay "sex" is dangerous. Do you also think that drug users and alcoholics should be celebrated in this country?

I mean, not only allow it, but condone it?

Mark

Any type of sex, whether it be "gay" or hetero, can be dangerous. It's not about whether it's two vaginas or two penises that makes it a danger. It's the all-around lifestyle of each person---not just their sexuality.

Ummm. No. I'm sorry, but an anus is not designed to accommodate a penis. It is one of the reasons that their incident of sexual disease is sky high, compared to straights.

Mark

What about the hetero women who enjoy anal?

That would be a problem as well. Yet, the numbers do not show that it is significant. So logically, while married women will have anal sex, logic shows its rare.

Mark

LOGIC???

If you stopped watching gay porn, you would know that its actually not uncommon.

Ohh, another one trying to kill the messenger.

Anyone here got any facts to debate with?

I'll wait.

Mark

 

[Moonglow]

A statement by the Royal College of Psychiatrists that people are not born gay has been welcomed as "a major admission" by a Christian charity that helps men and women change unwanted same-sex feelings.
Core Issues Trust (CIT), which is campaigning against a ban on therapy being offered to people who want to move away from a homosexual lifestyle, says the latest statement by the Royal College admits what it previously denied
People Are Not Born Gay Affirms Royal College of Psychiatrists

Yep, even if it was genetic, it is still your choice to have same-sex pleasure or not. Anyone and everyone has a choice. Say yes or say no. It is really that simple...BUT queers choose to suck each other's dicks

Doesn't really matter because, IF you are a consenting adult and IF your actions harm no one, what you choose for your own life and who you choose as a partner is none of my business.

Would you agree with that?

MYOB

Absolutely. However, if its a choice, society does not have to condone it. It would be just like a person who does drugs. Make it legal, and let them live their lives. Should it be "normalized" by allowing them to marry?

Absolutely not.

Mark

We do allow people who use drugs to get married.

Sigh. The drugs have nothing to do with marriage.

Let me make this as clear as possible.

Don't encourage drug users to use drugs.

Don't encourage gay men to have gay sex.

How would we encourage them to have gay sex? By condoning marriage.

Come on folks, this ain't rocket science.

Mark

It must be since you haven't figured it out...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A statement by the Royal College of Psychiatrists that people are not born gay has been welcomed as "a major admission" by a Christian charity that helps men and women change unwanted same-sex feelings.
Core Issues Trust (CIT), which is campaigning against a ban on therapy being offered to people who want to move away from a homosexual lifestyle, says the latest statement by the Royal College admits what it previously denied
People Are Not Born Gay Affirms Royal College of Psychiatrists

Yep, even if it was genetic, it is still your choice to have same-sex pleasure or not. Anyone and everyone has a choice. Say yes or say no. It is really that simple...BUT queers choose to suck each other's dicks

Doesn't really matter because, IF you are a consenting adult and IF your actions harm no one, what you choose for your own life and who you choose as a partner is none of my business.

Would you agree with that?

MYOB

Absolutely. However, if its a choice, society does not have to condone it. It would be just like a person who does drugs. Make it legal, and let them live their lives. Should it be "normalized" by allowing them to marry?

Absolutely not.

Mark

IF between consenting adults, who you choose to marry is none of my business.

Equal rights for all. Period.

MYOB

Wrong. Society has an absolute right to limit who marries. If equal rights is your goal, than you have to allow polygamy.

Mark

Also wrong.
This fails as a straw man fallacy.

 

[80zephyr]

A statement by the Royal College of Psychiatrists that people are not born gay has been welcomed as "a major admission" by a Christian charity that helps men and women change unwanted same-sex feelings.
Core Issues Trust (CIT), which is campaigning against a ban on therapy being offered to people who want to move away from a homosexual lifestyle, says the latest statement by the Royal College admits what it previously denied
People Are Not Born Gay Affirms Royal College of Psychiatrists

Yep, even if it was genetic, it is still your choice to have same-sex pleasure or not. Anyone and everyone has a choice. Say yes or say no. It is really that simple...BUT queers choose to suck each other's dicks

Doesn't really matter because, IF you are a consenting adult and IF your actions harm no one, what you choose for your own life and who you choose as a partner is none of my business.

Would you agree with that?

MYOB

Absolutely. However, if its a choice, society does not have to condone it. It would be just like a person who does drugs. Make it legal, and let them live their lives. Should it be "normalized" by allowing them to marry?

Absolutely not.

Mark

Absolutely wrong.
The right to make a choice is the liberty protected by the Constitution, where to seek to deny citizens their civil rights as a result of that choice is un-Constitutional.

They have the same rights I do.

Mark

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Why does anyone care if being gay is a choice or not?

Either way it's none of your fucking business is it?

Exactly.

 

[80zephyr]

A statement by the Royal College of Psychiatrists that people are not born gay has been welcomed as "a major admission" by a Christian charity that helps men and women change unwanted same-sex feelings.
Core Issues Trust (CIT), which is campaigning against a ban on therapy being offered to people who want to move away from a homosexual lifestyle, says the latest statement by the Royal College admits what it previously denied
People Are Not Born Gay Affirms Royal College of Psychiatrists

Yep, even if it was genetic, it is still your choice to have same-sex pleasure or not. Anyone and everyone has a choice. Say yes or say no. It is really that simple...BUT queers choose to suck each other's dicks

Doesn't really matter because, IF you are a consenting adult and IF your actions harm no one, what you choose for your own life and who you choose as a partner is none of my business.

Would you agree with that?

MYOB

Absolutely. However, if its a choice, society does not have to condone it. It would be just like a person who does drugs. Make it legal, and let them live their lives. Should it be "normalized" by allowing them to marry?

Absolutely not.

Mark

We do allow people who use drugs to get married.

Sigh. The drugs have nothing to do with marriage.

Let me make this as clear as possible.

Don't encourage drug users to use drugs.

Don't encourage gay men to have gay sex.

How would we encourage them to have gay sex? By condoning marriage.

Come on folks, this ain't rocket science.

Mark

It must be since you haven't figured it out...

Then by all means show me logically what the correct way is.

Mark

 

[80zephyr]

Why does anyone care if being gay is a choice or not?

Either way it's none of your fucking business is it?

Exactly.

Affect my marriage? Nope. Affect the way society views marriage?

Absolutely.

Your poster fails.

Mark

 

[Syriusly]

It is nothing more than a last ditch attempt to deny gays marriage. Even the anti-gay marriage side is not making these types of arguments in court. Gays are promiscuous so they should be denied marriage is one of the weaker arguments I've encountered when discussing this topic. It isn't a very compelling argument.

Anti gay marriage side would NEVER make that argument in court. It is not politically correct.

Tell you what, if the liberal media didn't make gays into Christ like beings, you might not even be where you are now.

Can you imagine if the public actually knew the truth about gays and the incident of disease and psychological problems they have, not to mention their complete dismissal of monogamy, there probably wouldn't be one state that allows gay marriage today.

The American public is not allowed to hear facts, only emotion.

Mark

Those points you're trying to make aren't exclusive to homosexuals. They are equally prevalent in the hetero society but don't get much attention because people like yourself are so obsessed with outing the homosexuals. Go be an idiot elsewhere. Thank you.

If you were correct. then logically, the numbers from the CDC would show that gays only generate 3% of the problem, not 70%.

Like I said, I am willing to listen, not with emotion but with facts.

Mark

I have seen no evidence that you are basing your prejudice on anything but emotion- and not on the facts.

There is no rational basis for your opposition to gay marriage.

You claim that homosexual sex between men is 'dangerous' but as I have pointed out- all sex is 'dangerous'- but sex between two healthy homosexual men is no more dangerous than two healthy heterosexuals using birth control.

You claim to oppose the behaviors of gay men- the 'promiscuity' - but then you also oppose using the only mechanism our society has ever used to promote monogamy- which is marriage.

Your dilemma is that you just are against gay men having sex- and you would like that to be illegal- but you can't do that.

Since you can't make gay sex illegal- you just target homosexuals- and are opposed to any strategy to make sex safer for gay men.

And that is an emotional response- not one based upon facts.

Lol. All sex is not as dangerous. And my FACTS have clearly shown that.

As to me wanting gay sex illegal...lol. Again.

Mark

All sex is dangerous- what you are talking about are degrees of danger.

There is no rational basis for your opposition to gay marriage.

You claim that homosexual sex between men is 'dangerous' but as I have pointed out- all sex is 'dangerous'- but sex between two healthy homosexual men is no more dangerous than two healthy heterosexuals using birth control.

You claim to oppose the behaviors of gay men- the 'promiscuity' - but then you also oppose using the only mechanism our society has ever used to promote monogamy- which is marriage.

Your dilemma is that you just are against gay men having sex- and you would like that to be illegal- but you can't do that.

Since you can't make gay sex illegal- you just target homosexuals- and are opposed to any strategy to make sex safer for gay men.

And that is an emotional response- not one based upon facts

 

[80zephyr]

A statement by the Royal College of Psychiatrists that people are not born gay has been welcomed as "a major admission" by a Christian charity that helps men and women change unwanted same-sex feelings.
Core Issues Trust (CIT), which is campaigning against a ban on therapy being offered to people who want to move away from a homosexual lifestyle, says the latest statement by the Royal College admits what it previously denied
People Are Not Born Gay Affirms Royal College of Psychiatrists

Yep, even if it was genetic, it is still your choice to have same-sex pleasure or not. Anyone and everyone has a choice. Say yes or say no. It is really that simple...BUT queers choose to suck each other's dicks

Doesn't really matter because, IF you are a consenting adult and IF your actions harm no one, what you choose for your own life and who you choose as a partner is none of my business.

Would you agree with that?

MYOB

Absolutely. However, if its a choice, society does not have to condone it. It would be just like a person who does drugs. Make it legal, and let them live their lives. Should it be "normalized" by allowing them to marry?

Absolutely not.

Mark

IF between consenting adults, who you choose to marry is none of my business.

Equal rights for all. Period.

MYOB

Wrong. Society has an absolute right to limit who marries. If equal rights is your goal, than you have to allow polygamy.

Mark

Also wrong.
This fails as a straw man fallacy.

Nope. You are the one that set the parameters, not me. Consenting adults should have that right.

Mark