Paul Ryan, "This isn't a budget, it's a "cause"."

[rdean]

I'm curious. Why do you think "companies make jobs"? Jobs are made from "supply and demand". Without demand, no corporation would "make" a single job. Besides, look at all the entrepreneurs who didn't get "corporate tax cuts" and became the largest corporations in the world. Think Ford, Jobs and Gates.

Without a product there would be no supply. Companies advertise and sell products generating demand.

Course this is a basic marketing technique that I learned in high school.

No, I just think the anti-business environment that exists today in America is bad for business and bad for job creation.

I bet you think corporations are interested in a successful US. The truth is, they only want the US to be "secure" and "safe". It doesn't matter what we charge in corporate taxes. Somewhere in the world, someplace charges less. But they will stay here because it's "safe". They just don't want to support this country. So they say their corporate headquarters is in an outhouse in Switzerland.

Your problem is you believe all those talking points you've been fed. Are right wingers capable of thinking things through?

If the country has a shitty economy they can get lower paying workers but only if the laws allow it. Unfortunately not only are wages high here but the cost of operation is going through the roof. This makes it tough to make profits.

If you can't make enough to stay in business what would you do if you're a business owner?

I'll answer for you. Ether move or sell your business.

Right wingers only have two answers for every question, and they always include "either/or". Funny, in the "real world" it's usually "neither". Is it the imagination or the intellect that's limited?

 

[The Rabbi]

Without a product there would be no supply. Companies advertise and sell products generating demand.

Course this is a basic marketing technique that I learned in high school.

No, I just think the anti-business environment that exists today in America is bad for business and bad for job creation.


If the country has a shitty economy they can get lower paying workers but only if the laws allow it. Unfortunately not only are wages high here but the cost of operation is going through the roof. This makes it tough to make profits.

If you can't make enough to stay in business what would you do if you're a business owner?

I'll answer for you. Ether move or sell your business.

Right wingers only have two answers for every question, and they always include "either/or". Funny, in the "real world" it's usually "neither". Is it the imagination or the intellect that's limited?

How the hell would you know? How many "right wingers" have you ever met???

 

[M14 Shooter]

Without a product there would be no supply. Companies advertise and sell products generating demand.

Course this is a basic marketing technique that I learned in high school.

No, I just think the anti-business environment that exists today in America is bad for business and bad for job creation.


If the country has a shitty economy they can get lower paying workers but only if the laws allow it. Unfortunately not only are wages high here but the cost of operation is going through the roof. This makes it tough to make profits.

If you can't make enough to stay in business what would you do if you're a business owner?

I'll answer for you. Ether move or sell your business.

Right wingers only have two answers for every question, and they always include "either/or". Funny, in the "real world" it's usually "neither". Is it the imagination or the intellect that's limited?

Liberals only have one answer:
It's not our fault!!!

 

[Greenbeard]

As opposed to Team Obama's plan, which is..well we don't know do we? But it would seem to involve me paying for someone else's health care. No thanks.

Keep your guard up, that socialism bug is spreading:

As Democrats piled on against his Medicare plan, Ryan defended it vigorously during the markup. He said the overhaul would provide more for the poor and sick, while asking the wealthy to chip in more. "Wealthy people have money because they're wealthy, so we don't need to subsidize them as much as everybody else," he said. "More for the poor, more for the sick, less for the wealthy."​

I just hope he wasn't talking to Joe the Plumber when he said that!

 

[The Rabbi]

As opposed to Team Obama's plan, which is..well we don't know do we? But it would seem to involve me paying for someone else's health care. No thanks.

Keep your guard up, that socialism bug is spreading:

As Democrats piled on against his Medicare plan, Ryan defended it vigorously during the markup. He said the overhaul would provide more for the poor and sick, while asking the wealthy to chip in more. "Wealthy people have money because they're wealthy, so we don't need to subsidize them as much as everybody else," he said. "More for the poor, more for the sick, less for the wealthy."​

I just hope he wasn't talking to Joe the Plumber when he said that!

So why are the Democrats opposed to his plan? Sounds just like theirs, right?

 

[Greenbeard]

So why are the Democrats opposed to his plan? Sounds just like theirs, right?

It's a pretty rare Democrat that wants to end Medicare. And I tend to think it's also a rare Democrat who believes the "serious" approach to health costs is to do a bit of hand-waving and try to shuffle expenses off the federal government's books and onto the backs of the poor, the elderly, state governments, and local hospitals.

 

[The T]

Slash education

slash the arts

slash Medicare

slash Social Security

Tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires

Tax breaks for companies

Subsidies for corporations

Break unions

Ship jobs to China

End Abortions

Starve the poor

Deregulate Wall Street

Deregulate the EPA

Shut down the government

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Perhaps the right wingers on this board can explain what the goal is?

Where do "jobs" fit in? Besides sending them to China? And what kind of unskilled jobs?

The right is doing more damage than al Qaeda ever could have imagined.

BOGUS POST from SOMEONE whom apparently is ON the Gumint DOLE...aren't you Deany?

*COME CLEAN*...

Admit it...

 

[The T]

The OP apparently thinks it's cool to make OTHERS PAY for his lifestyle...

C'mon Deany...Be a MAN not a RAT.

 

[The T]

Paul Ryan is addressing what's WRONG with Intrusive Government...Started way back to WILSON, the Socialist...

The OP would rather this Republic go DOWN...Rather than be TRUE to the Founders...for his own Self-agrandizement...and is probably a selfish LAZY BUM in his own right...

How Conveinient.

 

[HUGGY]

The OP apparently thinks it's cool to make OTHERS PAY for his lifestyle...

C'mon Deany...Be a MAN not a RAT.

What are you? a communist? Making someone else pay is the essence of capitalism.

 

[The T]

The OP apparently thinks it's cool to make OTHERS PAY for his lifestyle...

C'mon Deany...Be a MAN not a RAT.

What are you? a communist? Making someone else pay is the essence of capitalism.

That's a no-brainer...Figure it out smartass...and it doesn't look good for the Statist Democrats.

 

[The Rabbi]

So why are the Democrats opposed to his plan? Sounds just like theirs, right?

It's a pretty rare Democrat that wants to end Medicare. And I tend to think it's also a rare Democrat who believes the "serious" approach to health costs is to do a bit of hand-waving and try to shuffle expenses off the federal government's books and onto the backs of the poor, the elderly, state governments, and local hospitals.

We've already shown that the plan would save Medicare, not end it.
You don't think Democrats did a bit of hand waving and shuffled the books on Obamacare? LOL. DOes the term Doc Fix mean anything to you, 'tard?
LOL!

 

[editec]

Slash education

slash the arts

slash Medicare

slash Social Security

Tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires

Tax breaks for companies

Subsidies for corporations

Break unions

Ship jobs to China

End Abortions

Starve the poor

Deregulate Wall Street

Deregulate the EPA

Shut down the government

-------------------------------------------------------

Perhaps the right wingers on this board can explain what the goal is?

Where do "jobs" fit in? Besides sending them to China? And what kind of unskilled jobs?

The right is doing more damage than al Qaeda ever could have imagined.

PERHAPS what you are failing to realize is this...

They (meaning the neo-cons whatever they happen to be calling themselves today) are NOT failing.

Their real agenda is a radical refutation and replacement of the current political system we have in place.

Despite all the patriotic flags these pirate fly, their REAL flag is the Jolly Roger, rdean.

These people do not love this nation and they especially hate what it proported stands for.

Their goal is the bankruptsy of the Governments of this nation, both FEDERAL and STATE.

They fully understand that if they can bankrupt the nation, the CORPORATIONS they own will be in charge.

That is the goal.

That is the mission.

And they've been on this mission for at least the last 30 years.

If you doubt me, or if you think I am over reacting.... READ ATLAS SHRUGGED.

That is the Turners Diary for the Insiders who are really calling the shots.

Hmm, so currently we have an engorged Federal bureaucracy issuing rules so numerous they don't even know all of them. We have a tax code so complicated the IRS gives incorrect answers to something like 40% of the questions posed. We have an unprecedented budget deficit that grows larger daily.
And the GOP are the ones bent on destroying the country???
WTF?

THE INSIDERS are controlling BOTH PARTIES, Lad.

How many times do I have to say that before you understand that I understand that?

The primary difference between the GOP and DNC is the difference between the good cop and the bad cop.

They are both working toward the same goal.

Or haven't you yet noticed that when it comes to issues that really matter (foreign wars, bank bail outs, trade polcies) there is no REAL difference between Bush II and Obama?

Now I know I keep pointing this out on this board.

But you are so thrilled thinking that anybody who faults to GOP might be a DEM that you invent STRAW MEN to debate.

Do you NOT YET get it?

Your partisan POV is blinding you to the obvious.

WAKE UP!

 

[mudwhistle]

Without a product there would be no supply. Companies advertise and sell products generating demand.

Course this is a basic marketing technique that I learned in high school.

No, I just think the anti-business environment that exists today in America is bad for business and bad for job creation.


If the country has a shitty economy they can get lower paying workers but only if the laws allow it. Unfortunately not only are wages high here but the cost of operation is going through the roof. This makes it tough to make profits.

If you can't make enough to stay in business what would you do if you're a business owner?

I'll answer for you. Ether move or sell your business.

Right wingers only have two answers for every question, and they always include "either/or". Funny, in the "real world" it's usually "neither". Is it the imagination or the intellect that's limited?

And you lefties are all full of 30 year old cliche's. You never change. We've been fighting this war since the 70s. The law of economics never changes. The Dems have been taking you and the rest of us for a ride and you just don't understand how, nor do you want to understand.

I can't give you the answer you want to hear because it's bullshit. You want me to make up new economic theories and business techniques to suit you? Obama and the Dems continue to badger businesses into running their companies in a ridiculous manner. They are in the business to make money. Folks like you think that's wrong. Jesus Christ, how naive can you be.
You're problem is you're not living in the real world. The answer isn't always to raise taxes or the debt ceiling so you can set up conditions to screw the rich. That is all this is about anyway, screwing the rich. Not THEIR rich friends. Just the rich they don't like. THEIR rich friends are making money hand over fist. GE, George Soros, SEIU, and the AFL-CIO.

 

[mudwhistle]

So why are the Democrats opposed to his plan? Sounds just like theirs, right?

It's a pretty rare Democrat that wants to end Medicare. And I tend to think it's also a rare Democrat who believes the "serious" approach to health costs is to do a bit of hand-waving and try to shuffle expenses off the federal government's books and onto the backs of the poor, the elderly, state governments, and local hospitals.

Obama wants to cut $400 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. That is a fact. Obamacare wants to transfer more and more of the expenses to state governments.

No, they may not want to end it but they do want to cripple it or change it completely. It seems that every once in awhile they discover another secret funding or bailout in the bill. After all of this time they're still finding bogus accounting in it. It's too complex and convoluted to be honest. It's worse then the IRS. There are too many non-related provisions in the bill and other bills to address the real purpose it was supposed to address.

 

[mudwhistle]

The OP apparently thinks it's cool to make OTHERS PAY for his lifestyle...

C'mon Deany...Be a MAN not a RAT.

What are you? a communist? Making someone else pay is the essence of capitalism.

That was just......dumb.


Making someone else pay is the essence of socialism.

The difference between socialism and capitalism is at least capitalism provides a product or service. Socialism provides nothing for the payer. It is a mandate that is involuntary.

 

[editec]

So why are the Democrats opposed to his plan? Sounds just like theirs, right?

It's a pretty rare Democrat that wants to end Medicare. And I tend to think it's also a rare Democrat who believes the "serious" approach to health costs is to do a bit of hand-waving and try to shuffle expenses off the federal government's books and onto the backs of the poor, the elderly, state governments, and local hospitals.

Obama wants to cut $400 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. That is a fact. Obamacare wants to transfer more and more of the expenses to state governments.

No, they may not want to end it but they do want to cripple it or change it completely. It seems that every once in awhile they discover another secret funding or bailout in the bill. After all of this time they're still finding bogus accounting in it. It's too complex and convoluted to be honest. It's worse then the IRS. There are too many non-related provisions in the bill and other bills to address the real purpose it was supposed to address.

YUP!

Maine (and other states too, I'm guessing) is, in large part, in financial trouble because the FEDS changed the way they pay the states for medicade.care a couple years ago.


Or as we used to say in the NAV, the shit is rolling downhill.

 

[mudwhistle]

It's a pretty rare Democrat that wants to end Medicare. And I tend to think it's also a rare Democrat who believes the "serious" approach to health costs is to do a bit of hand-waving and try to shuffle expenses off the federal government's books and onto the backs of the poor, the elderly, state governments, and local hospitals.

Obama wants to cut $400 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. That is a fact. Obamacare wants to transfer more and more of the expenses to state governments.

No, they may not want to end it but they do want to cripple it or change it completely. It seems that every once in awhile they discover another secret funding or bailout in the bill. After all of this time they're still finding bogus accounting in it. It's too complex and convoluted to be honest. It's worse then the IRS. There are too many non-related provisions in the bill and other bills to address the real purpose it was supposed to address.

YUP!

Maine (and other states too, I'm guessing) is, in large part, in financial trouble because the FEDS changed the way they pay the states for medicade.care a couple years ago.


Or as we used to say in the NAV, the shit is rolling downhill.

So explain how forcing more of the expense on states is gonna fix that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ryan's plan is simple. He's going to make seniors and lower income Americans either pay more out of pocket for their healthcare, or go without.

Nothing wrong with that - that seniors should be immune to such a thing is a false premise.

Which further confirms my assertion of awhile back that the fundamental goal of conservative economic policy

is to make the gap between rich and poor as big as they possibly can.

Every conservative economic plan/policy shifts resources away from the low end of the economic ladder,

towards the high end.

 

[Claudette]

The "GOAL" is a return to Constitutionally Limited Government. The "GOAL" is to make Article I, Sections 8 & 9, and the Tenth Amendment meaningful portions of the US Constitution again. The "GOAL" is to return this country to a society where PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY means something, and where people don't look to the Government to fix all their problems and provide their wants, needs, or desires in life.

Sounds like one hell of a GOOD START to me.

Amen A.

I like Ryans budget. He's addressing things that should have been addressed long ago.

Bout time someone had the balls to propose ways do what needs to be done.

Won't make it through the Dem Senate though. We all know the only way the Dems have to raise revenue is by raising taxes. God forbid they cut shit like funding for the Arts, NPR and any of that other horseshit they think we taxpayers need to fund. Let those folks run a telethon if they are looking for money. I'm sure the "evil" rich will be glad to contribute to the cause.

Also God forbid that we close the loopholes for big business and get rid of subsidies and tax breaks for any and all. Jeeze who the hell would actually want big business to pay taxes on all that money they have parked in other countried. GE comes to mind on that one.

I'm still waiting to see the first somebody starving in the streets, never mind the millions the Dems are expecting.

Yup. I think Ryans on the right track. Just to bad that his budget won't make it through the Dems in the Senate.