Pallin Is a Public Liar

[PubliusInfinitum]

I hear what you are saying and I acknowledge that the redistribution of wealth has always been part of their state consitituion.

The point I was making is that in 2007 Palin INCREASED those taxes on oil companies above and beyond what was already in place, basically changing the rules mid-stream.

Whether we want to call it taxes or royalties, when Palin noticed the oil companies were pulling in higher profits she instituted policies to get more money than originally agreed upon.

Why is that any different than Obama's plan? As McCain has stated numerous times, he is against windfall taxes which is exactly what Palin pushed through in Alaska.

Remember, I'm not referring to the original agreement, I'm talking about her calling a special legislative session in order to get more money from the oil companies above and beyond the original agreement.

It sure smells like this program is raising taxes on the wealthy (oil companies) to give the less fortunate (citizens).

It's different because it's not a royalty on the oil being drawn out of federal lands, based upon the State's constitution... Based upon long standing agreements, it's tax...

It's different because it' the Federal Government of the United States, not a state government;

It's different because The US Government taxes Oil companies in innumerable ways, while Alaska sells the oil companies the right to explore for energy in in their state and requires them to pay royalties on production... Alaska does not tax their income, Alaska does not tax their sales; Alaska only asks that oil companies pay for what they take out of Alaska and for fixing what they tear up in the process...

As to Governor Palin raising the royalty... I damn well expect she did. In my experience any product which finds itself realizing massive increases in profitability at retail, will inevitably realize exponential increases up and down the supply chain that supports that product. You can believe that Oil Companies are paying more for everything...

 

[HoleInTheVoid]

As to Governor Palin raising the royalty... I damn well expect she did. In my experience any product which finds itself realizing massive increases in profitability at retail, will inevitably realize exponential increases up and down the supply chain that supports that product. You can believe that Oil Companies are paying more for everything...

Consider the genesis of the whiskey rebellion.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I agree with you Shogun, but I also think this guy is reasonable. He seems new, so probably doesn't realize that we have to deal with totally one sided neo kooks on these boards so we're a little defenses. I think this guy is willing to be intellectually honest. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Republican talking points had merit, about 10 years ago. I think the only wrong with this guy is he is willing to believe/trust that McCain & Palin are being honest.

And I assure you, they are not. They are giving the voters what they want to hear.

And remember, people like him have been brainwashed to think Liberals are crazy and want to make America socialist. We need to extend the olive branch and let him know we aren't one sided lefties.

Well I'm touched... Let's review.

Being pro choice doesn't make me a lefty. It makes me an American.

American’s ARE pro-Choice... But no American believes that there is ever a valid choice to strip an innocent human of its life. American's understand that there are only two valid justifications to take a human life:

First: to defend one's own life from Death and or Serious Bodily Injury.

Second: to defend the life of another in one's sphere of influence from death or serious bodily injury.

American's understand the principles on which human rights rest and that human rights rest on nothing BUT the responsibilities inherent in each one... and that the failure to uphold those responsibilities can only provide for the forfeiture of that right. For instance, where one exercises their right to their life and the fulfillment of that life by causing harm to another human or in such a way that prevents another from being able to exercise their own right, that person has failed to uphold the responsibility in their right to life and as a result, has no basis on which to stand when someone else does the same to them...

So yes, Americans are pro-choice... but Americans understand that the choices we make cannot violate the rights of other humans; Americans defend, offering no quarter, against lazy thinkin' which seeks to strip the individual of responsibility because Americans know that it is the responsibility that their individual rights rest.

Being anti war does not make me a lefty

That's true; being anti-war does not make you a lefty... Being anti-war makes you irrational. Those who are not prepared to defend their life are what nature has designated as FOOD.

Leftism is certainly not anti-war, as leftism has caused hundreds of wars; leftism has murdered hundreds of millions of people... Leftism merely advances an anti-war perspective where the war is challenging leftism. Leftism is against the US engaging in war, because the left wants to weaken the US and undermining US cultural resolve to defeat their leftist enemies is an effective way to do that.

Being pro social security doesn't make me a lefty

Again you're correct, being for a secure society does NOT make you a leftist. However being pro-strong armed confiscation of the product of an individual's labor for the purposes of distributing that product to others is a leftist position. So while that does not mean, per se, that you're a leftist, it does indicate that you are ignorant of the principles on which your human rights rest.

Being against the tax break to the rich doesn't mean I want warshington to keep and spend it. I want them to redistribute it to all of us.

This position is an incontrovertible indicator that you're a leftist... You've no right to the product of someone else's labor; and that principle doesn't change just because an individual has more than you have and you 'need' some of what they have.

And, I want the GOP to not spend double what the Democrats spent.

Well the GOP could never outspend the Democrats and sure as hell has never done so... They just as surely spent too much but they did so with the ascension of the left and for that there should be no forgiveness. My opinion is that 'he who compromises with a leftist, surrenders their liberty and that of their grandchildren in so doing.'

Deficit spending is 100% a function of social entitlements... period.

Gut all social spending from the Federal Budget and the budget is balanced immediately. It's completely unconstitutional and will inevitably destroy the US culture.

They may have been able to convince me that the Republicans are better than the democrats had they only been fiscally responsible. But they were not, so the GOP has NOTHING to offer me. Except lies, bullshit and scare tactics.

Republicans are simply members in a political party... It is meaningless. Olivia Snow is a Republican, but ideologically she is indiscernible from Ted Kennedy.

What you're looking for are Americans; AKA: US Conservatives. They don't spend tax money outside the principles of the US Constitution and there is absolutely NOTHING; no principle, no words... in the US Constitution which provides for the redistribution of the product of the labor of the rightful individual.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Dude. again.. if YOU can find a single fucking scrap of scripture to suggest that CAPITOLISM in any way, shape or form is validated by the christian saviour Im ready to see it. I"VE POSTED my evidence. where is yours?


I suggest you go ask a preacher why wealth was never a concern of jebus on your way to asking a second question about brothers being keepers and charity to your fellow fucking man.


you might just learn something.

You have not posted a single word from the Christian Bible that supports Socialism ON ANY LEVEL...

Your assertion that you have advanced is a damnable LIE~

Now you have failed and you return to demand that your opposition post Scripture in evidence that Christ was a capitalist. Christ was a capitalist.

Capitalism is nothing more than the free exchange of goods and services to the mutual benefit of both parties...

You YOURSELF cited Christ feeding the 5000... Christ exchanged goods and provided services that HE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE... GOODS AND SERVICES THAT HE OWNED, THAT HE AND HIS SYNDICATE POSSESSED; it was THEIRS TO GIVE. Christ exchanged those goods and services for that which HE SOUGHT TO EXCHANGE... the attention of those whom he was feeding.

Christ did NOT demand that his syndicate go through the countryside stripping people of the product of their labor and bring that stolen property back to him so he could use it to feed 5000 people... He took goods and servces that HE HAD and asked for what it was he wanted in exchange for that food from those that sat to eat it.

That's a capitalist pal...

 

[frazzledgear]

Sarah keeps up the sound bite that she said "Thanks but no thanks to the goverment for the bridge to nowhere.""

Not true. She backed it until it became a national scandal and then voted against it. By the way she kept the 300 million allocated for it and spent it elsewhere in Alaska.

So, backers of Mrs. Palin, is it okay for her to continue to lie like this day after day. I just heard 7 sound bites where she repeats this shit.

Your criticism here is what isn't true. Originally this bridge was supported by most Alaskans, Palin included. If she is to be criticized because she changed her opinion about it -so should 80% of everyone in the state -including nearly every Democrat. Who also originally supported it but also changed their minds when further detail about what was really involved became known.

She IS credited with stopping the bridge -even by the Alaska Democrat Party which officially credited her for it on their website. FOR A REASON! Congress deals with the GOVERNOR on these things, the decision is hers about whether to go forward or not. If she ultimately decides to move forward on a project like this that was to require some funding from Alaska as well, then she would have had to take it to the state legislature with a request they allocate the necessary funds. That is the role the state legislature plays in it. But Palin never even took it to the state legislature. She officially withdrew the state of Alaska from it first. As governor, she could have withdrawn Alaska from this project at any point -she did so before it even went anywhere. This deal wasn't dead until SHE killed it.

A governor is not an empty figurehead. Do you boobs even know how your own different levels of government work? In this country, each state is in most ways like a small country. Many states have higher operating budgets than that of many countries in the world. In most things, each state operates independently from each other and from the federal government. The governor is the equivalent of President of that little country. We are essentially a nation of 50 little countries joined under one flag. Which is why governors are considered to be qualified to run for President -their experiences are far more relevant to the job than those holding a non-executive office on any level of government.

Palin gets the credit for killing this project -not anyone else. The fact she changed her mind along with nearly everyone else in Alaska after seeing what was really involved - is using GOOD JUDGMENT -exactly what she was elected to do.

Now let's be honest, if Palin had gone ahead with this project even AFTER finding out in greater detail what was involved -who would you be blaming for it? You don't get it both ways here. If she's is the one you'd blame for going forward with it, then she's the one who gets credit for withdrawing from it. The blame OR credit is laid at her feet because it falls under HER official duties as governor and no one else's.

In ANY state, it is the governor who gets either the credit or the blame for involving the state in any well-thought out or poorly planned federally funded project. Because its their job and no one else's to decide on those projects in the first place. That's the way it works. But THIS TIME, you bozos are pretending that because this governor actually did the job she was elected to do by withdrawing from a poorly planned federally funded project -it means someone else gets credit for HER work and something that was only within HER authority to do anyway? LOL

This constant whining that "hey, she once supported it so it doesn't count if she changed her opinion on it after finding out in greater detail what was really involved" is IDIOTIC -as is this claim that she doesn't get the credit for killing it. The credit for killing it goes to no one BUT her. Get real.

She kept the $300 million in Alaska because it was allocated for Alaska infrastructure -originally intended to go towards the bridge, but with no bridge being built -it was simply used for other Alaskan infrastructure.

 

[greenpartyaz]

gotta love you fools saying she has little qualifications while at the same time you back Obama. At least she has some executive experience unlike Obama.

I know you guys are all upset because by nominating Pallin McCain has gone from being behind to being the favorite.

Cry me a river fools.

Hey isn't Obama a senator? And Palin a governor?

 

[Annie]

Hey isn't Obama a senator? And Palin a governor?

What part of 'executive' are you having a problem with?

 

[Chris]

What part of 'executive' are you having a problem with?

What part of "good judgement" do you have a problem with?

 

[Annie]

What part of "good judgement" do you have a problem with?

Hmm, that wasn't the crux, but fine. Obama's good judgement: Biden? Wright and his 'church'? Throwing his grandmother under the bus, before tossing Wright there? Being involved with Rezko? Ayers? Taking credit for Meeks work? Spending millions as a 'community organizer', but not accomplishing diddly? The email commercial? The lipstick gaffe? Getting caught up with the accolades from Europe, but forgetting they can't vote? Being against the surge, then for it, then against it? A reformer, that has reformed nothing.

Great judgment there.

 

[Chris]

Hmm, that wasn't the crux, but fine. Obama's good judgement: Biden? Wright and his 'church'? Throwing his grandmother under the bus, before tossing Wright there? Being involved with Rezko? Ayers? Taking credit for Meeks work? Spending millions as a 'community organizer', but not accomplishing diddly? The email commercial? The lipstick gaffe? Getting caught up with the accolades from Europe, but forgetting they can't vote? Being against the surge, then for it, then against it? A reformer, that has reformed nothing.

Great judgment there.

Rising unemployment, rising gas prices, record foreclosures, record trade deficit, the Big Three on the verge of bankrupcy, $700 billion dollars wasted on Iraq, and a $500 billion dollar budget deficit.

Let's end this madness.

Vote for Obama/Biden on November 4th.

 

[Annie]

Rising unemployment, rising gas prices, record foreclosures, record trade deficit, the Big Three on the verge of bankrupcy, $700 billion dollars wasted on Iraq, and a $500 billion dollar budget deficit.

Let's end this madness.

Vote for Obama/Biden on November 4th.

As I thought, you have 'hope', but little else.

 

[Chris]

As I thought, you have 'hope', but little else.

Bush is the worst president in American history.

It makes no sense to elect a man who voted with Bush 90% of the time.

 

[Annie]

Bush is the worst president in American history.

It makes no sense to elect a man who voted with Bush 90% of the time.

Again, you're clueless and spouting what you've heard. McCain is not even close to the 90% agreement. The fact that he isn't reacting to that has more to do with 'his base', which really trusts him very little on domestic issues. Picking Palin was brilliant, but then one would need to understand American politics and how it's played. You obviously do not.

 

[Chris]

Again, you're clueless and spouting what you've heard. McCain is not even close to the 90% agreement. The fact that he isn't reacting to that has more to do with 'his base', which really trusts him very little on domestic issues. Picking Palin was brilliant, but then one would need to understand American politics and how it's played. You obviously do not.

John McCain disagrees with you. Watch the video of McCain saying he voted with Bush over 90% of the time....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uThoBMfcFRc]YouTube - John McCain Voted With Bush 90%[/ame]

 

[Annie]

John McCain disagrees with you. Watch the video of McCain saying he voted with Bush over 90% of the time....

YouTube - John McCain Voted With Bush 90%

Read what I wrote again. It's that time of year.

 

[Chris]

Read what I wrote again. It's that time of year.

Read what I said.

McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time.

 

[Annie]

Read what I said.

McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time.

Saying it again and again will not make it true, not even if McCain says so.

 

[Chris]

Saying it again and again will not make it true, not even if McCain says so.

So you are saying McCain is a liar?

 

[Annie]

So you are saying McCain is a liar?

Already explained.

Anyways, it's been fun sparing with you I think I'll head to bed now. Have a good day.

 

[del]

So you are saying McCain is a liar?

no , she's saying you're a moron. not exactly a news flash,almond boy.