Palestinian right of return

[Yarddog]

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The Palestinian right of return (Arabic: حق العودة‎, Ḥaqq al-ʿawda; Hebrew: זְכוּת הַשִׁיבָה, zkhut hashivah) is a political position or principle asserting that Palestinian refugees, both first-generation refugees (c. 30 to 50,000 people as of 2012) and their descendants (c. 5 million people as of 2012), have a right to return, and a right to the property they themselves or their forebears left behind or were forced to leave in what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories (both formerly part of the British Mandate of Palestine), as part of the 1948 Palestinian exodus, a result of the 1948 Palestine war and due to the 1967 Six-Day War.

Proponents of the right of return hold that it is a "sacred" right,[3] as well as an inalienable and basic human right, whose applicability both generally and specifically to the Palestinians is protected under international law.[4] This view holds that those who opt not to return or for whom return is not feasible, should receive compensation in lieu. Opponents of the right of return hold that there is no basis for it in international law, and that it is an unrealistic demand.[5]

The government of Israel regards the claim as a Palestinian ambit claim, and does not view the admission of Palestinian refugees to their former homes in Israel as a right, but rather as a political claim to be resolved as part of a final peace settlement.[6][7]"

Palestinian right of return - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

There can be NO agreement until this demand is dropped by the Palestinians.

Oh, I see. The Jews can return after 3000 years, but the Pals can't after 70?

There were Jews living in Algeria, and Libya and other ME countries who were thrown out at the time of the war. They were Jews, but they were not in Israel at the time so they couldnt even be considered Israelis. They were just Jewish. What would a Jewish family living in Morroco have to do with the Israeli Arab warCan their families get their land back? no way, they would most likely be killed even if they did. Its just the way it is, and Lost Jewish land is never mentioned, thats because the Entire ME is Muslim. So many places for a muslim to live in safety (except from each other) and so few places in the world for a Jew to live safely. Most of Europe does not want Jews, that has a LOT to do with why they went to Israel, they had been persecuted for hundreds of years there , not even mentioning the Holocaust.

I have put forward a plan to give the arab muslims two acres of stolen Jewish land in the M.E in return for 1 acre of land in gaza and the west bank. Not one of the team Palestine members think that it is a good idea as the arab muslims would lose all they claim and some. Because the amount of land stolen in 1948-1949 amounts to 4 times the land mass of the original Palestine.

Do you have some links to that?

 

[Phoenall]

I base that claim on your posts. If you can't see how others may grasp what you say, then you need some debate classes. you learn that on your first day

What I say, has to do with my intentions and the point I'm making, not your perception of what I'm saying. And if you don't understand the point I'm making, then you don't know what you're responding to. And if you don't know what you're responding to, then you don't know what you're talking about.

But lets cut the crap, we both know the only reason you call me a "Jew-hater", is because that's all you got.

No the reason we call you a Jew hater is because that's all you have got, it shines out in your every post

 

[Phoenall]

I have shown were you are full of Jew hatred, only you can answer why you are so full of Jew hatred

The only thing that you showed, is that you're a taco short of a combo plate.

I have shown you to be a complete moron in regards to what is really happening in Palestine, and you still preach your Jew hatred

 

[montelatici]

You preach Muslim and Christian hatred.

 

[Phoenall]

"
The Palestinian right of return (Arabic: حق العودة‎, Ḥaqq al-ʿawda; Hebrew: זְכוּת הַשִׁיבָה, zkhut hashivah) is a political position or principle asserting that Palestinian refugees, both first-generation refugees (c. 30 to 50,000 people as of 2012) and their descendants (c. 5 million people as of 2012), have a right to return, and a right to the property they themselves or their forebears left behind or were forced to leave in what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories (both formerly part of the British Mandate of Palestine), as part of the 1948 Palestinian exodus, a result of the 1948 Palestine war and due to the 1967 Six-Day War.

Proponents of the right of return hold that it is a "sacred" right,[3] as well as an inalienable and basic human right, whose applicability both generally and specifically to the Palestinians is protected under international law.[4] This view holds that those who opt not to return or for whom return is not feasible, should receive compensation in lieu. Opponents of the right of return hold that there is no basis for it in international law, and that it is an unrealistic demand.[5]

The government of Israel regards the claim as a Palestinian ambit claim, and does not view the admission of Palestinian refugees to their former homes in Israel as a right, but rather as a political claim to be resolved as part of a final peace settlement.[6][7]"

Palestinian right of return - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

There can be NO agreement until this demand is dropped by the Palestinians.

Oh, I see. The Jews can return after 3000 years, but the Pals can't after 70?

There were Jews living in Algeria, and Libya and other ME countries who were thrown out at the time of the war. They were Jews, but they were not in Israel at the time so they couldnt even be considered Israelis. They were just Jewish. What would a Jewish family living in Morroco have to do with the Israeli Arab warCan their families get their land back? no way, they would most likely be killed even if they did. Its just the way it is, and Lost Jewish land is never mentioned, thats because the Entire ME is Muslim. So many places for a muslim to live in safety (except from each other) and so few places in the world for a Jew to live safely. Most of Europe does not want Jews, that has a LOT to do with why they went to Israel, they had been persecuted for hundreds of years there , not even mentioning the Holocaust.

I have put forward a plan to give the arab muslims two acres of stolen Jewish land in the M.E in return for 1 acre of land in gaza and the west bank. Not one of the team Palestine members think that it is a good idea as the arab muslims would lose all they claim and some. Because the amount of land stolen in 1948-1949 amounts to 4 times the land mass of the original Palestine.

Do you have some links to that?

Posted it on here many times and the members of team Palestine never reply. Everyone else see's it as the perfect solution to the problems. The Palestinians become citizens of the nation they move to and the Israeli's get half their land back as well as peace.

 

[montelatici]

You have never posted a link to other than ZioNazi propaganda sites.

 

[Phoenall]

You have never posted a link to other than ZioNazi propaganda sites.

PROVE IT Abdul ?

 

[aris2chat]

Illegal migrant workers go to california to work. They run away out of fear of a crack down on illegals. Then they demand a right of return.
Legal? Logical?
Palestinians didn't have to run. Arabs told them to. Palestinians engage in more than 60 years of terrorism against Israel, and then think they should be allowed to return to homes or land they did not own? Those that had legal claims were free to go through the courts and get the land back or compensation if that was not possible. Technically they should owe back taxes on land claims.
Palestinians are still calling the annihilation of jews and Israel, these are people who Israel should allow back in? That would be like welcoming rat that carry the black death into your home.
Israel used to allow around two thousand a year to return till Oslo.
If there were to be some return it should be only for those born within what is now Israel but those born outside.
UN and the arab state should resettle the refugee in arab states, not Israel. They were created by them and should have done more to relocate them years ago.

 

[montelatici]

Illegal migrant workers go to california to work. They run away out of fear of a crack down on illegals. Then they demand a right of return.
Legal? Logical?
Palestinians didn't have to run. Arabs told them to. Palestinians engage in more than 60 years of terrorism against Israel, and then think they should be allowed to return to homes or land they did not own? Those that had legal claims were free to go through the courts and get the land back or compensation if that was not possible. Technically they should owe back taxes on land claims.
Palestinians are still calling the annihilation of jews and Israel, these are people who Israel should allow back in? That would be like welcoming rat that carry the black death into your home.
Israel used to allow around two thousand a year to return till Oslo.
If there were to be some return it should be only for those born within what is now Israel but those born outside.
UN and the arab state should resettle the refugee in arab states, not Israel. They were created by them and should have done more to relocate them years ago.

Bullshit as usual aris2chat. The Christians and Muslims were being massacred by the Jews, of course they had to run.

" a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

The Christians and Muslims owned more than 85% of the land before it was stolen from them by the Jews who owned less than 5% prior to partition. More BS from you Aris2chat. The Christians and Muslims owned 24 million dunams versus the 1.5 million dunams owned by the Jews.

Berman Jewish Policy Archive

A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

 

[JakeStarkey]

Won't happen. No right of return will ever be granted, and trying to run over Israel will result in a nuclear firestorm of the metropolises of the Arab world. Settlement of Palestinians will occur in the Arab states, nowhere else.

 

[Phoenall]

Illegal migrant workers go to california to work. They run away out of fear of a crack down on illegals. Then they demand a right of return.
Legal? Logical?
Palestinians didn't have to run. Arabs told them to. Palestinians engage in more than 60 years of terrorism against Israel, and then think they should be allowed to return to homes or land they did not own? Those that had legal claims were free to go through the courts and get the land back or compensation if that was not possible. Technically they should owe back taxes on land claims.
Palestinians are still calling the annihilation of jews and Israel, these are people who Israel should allow back in? That would be like welcoming rat that carry the black death into your home.
Israel used to allow around two thousand a year to return till Oslo.
If there were to be some return it should be only for those born within what is now Israel but those born outside.
UN and the arab state should resettle the refugee in arab states, not Israel. They were created by them and should have done more to relocate them years ago.

Bullshit as usual aris2chat. The Christians and Muslims were being massacred by the Jews, of course they had to run.

" a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

The Christians and Muslims owned more than 85% of the land before it was stolen from them by the Jews who owned less than 5% prior to partition. More BS from you Aris2chat. The Christians and Muslims owned 24 million dunams versus the 1.5 million dunams owned by the Jews.

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Berman Jewish Policy Archive

A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

The ottoman and British land registry tells a different story with the Jews owning 8% of the land, the Christians owning 1% of the land and the arab muslims owning 0.7% of the land. The rest was either Ottoman until 1919 or LoN until may 15 1948.

Pay the fees and you an have a look ..................................

 

[montelatici]

The land registries show exactly what the Survey for Palestine reported below

. Making things up does not change the facts:

 

[Phoenall]

The land registries show exactly what the Survey for Palestine reported belowView attachment 38264 . Making things up does not change the facts:

Wrong unless you want to post the relevant pages from them ?

That is not a legal document it is a work of fiction from a committee published for resale. The land registry is a legal document and is not allowed to be sold. I have 4 copies of land registry details issued by the land registry that appertain to my property. From the title being sold by the reigning monarch of the time right up until I bought the property

 

[montelatici]

I don't need to post the land tax registries inspected by the surveyors, that was their job. The result was the Survey of Palestine. It is an official U.S. Government document within the U.S. Government archives and it was published by the United States Department of State, and not for resale.

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[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Well this needs to be negotiated in a more formal settlement arrangement.

I don't need to post the land tax registries inspected by the surveyors, that was their job. The result was the Survey of Palestine. It is an official U.S. Government document within the U.S. Government archives and it was published by the United States Department of State, and not for resale.

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If this is ever going to be put to rest, then both parties need to decide that their disputes will be settled through the Rule of Law and by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter and the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. As long as the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) persists in the use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or --- as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States; then they HoAP should be contained and quarantined accordingly.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Until the Hostile Colonist Jews (HCJs) end their occupation and periodic killings of thousands Muslims and Christians at a time, what chance of a peaceful solution is there. Especially since the Israelis have stated that there is only a one-state solution?

 

[JakeStarkey]

All of the arguing above means nothing.

One, Israel is there to stay west of the Jordan River.

Two, the Arabs will comply, whether peacefully or not.

 

[montelatici]

That's what the Boers thought the non-whites would do. Comply peacefully. We know how that went.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Israelis are much badder than the Boers, and the Arabs are much weaker morally and spiritually than the South African natives.

 

[montelatici]

The Israelis are much badder than the Boers, and the Arabs are much weaker morally and spiritually than the South African natives.

There are no "badder" people than the Boers. And, just saying that the "Arabs" are much weaker morally and spiritually than the South African "natives" doesn't make it so. The Boers succumbed to Western sanctions, militarily they were much stronger than the ANC and they had nuclear weapons.