Palestine Today

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

You want this (terribly) to be true. And you are certainly entitled to speak your mind and let you opinion known. But, you have not intitled to your own facts.

On November 29, 1947, The UN General Assembly voted to partition the British mandate into Jewish and Arab states. The Arabs of Palestine, supported by the Arab League, adamantly opposed the partition, and the first of four major wars began following news of the UN vote. The first war of 1947–1949 contains two identifiably separate conflicts: the Arab-Jewish communal war of November 30, 1947–May 14, 1948, which included volunteer forces from other Arab states as well as Palestinian Arabs, and the Israeli War of Independence, which began on May 15, 1948, a day after the ending of the British mandate and with the founding of the State of Israel.

—— ——
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In August 1947 the UN recommended granting Palestine its independence. The UN also developed a plan for partitioning Palestine into separate Arab and Jewish states. Jerusalem was to be classified as an international area under the UN in order to preclude conflict over its status. Although the Arab population in Palestine
was then 1.2 million people and the Jews numbered just 600,000, the UN plan granted the proposed Jewish state some 55 percent of the land and the Arab state only 45 percent. The Arab states rejected the partition plan, which included an economic union. The Jews generally accepted it. The UN General Assembly approved the plan in November 1947, and the British government announced that it would accept the UN recommendation and declared that the British Mandate for Palestine would end on May 15, 1948.

Well, of course, the simplest answer is usually the most correct answer.

BLUF: No!

"Did you mean Palestine"

I'm not opposed to there being both. Two separate states for 2 separate peoples. Enough of this childishness.

There is already one state and Israel has made the two-state solution impossible.

(COMMENT)

The thought that "Israel has made the two-state solution impossible" is totally incorrect and a case of refusing to accept the reality of events.

• The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 •

On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

On that day Mid-Night 14/15 May 1948, there were two entities:

◈ The Declared State of Israel → through the Right of Self-determination → following the recommendation of A/RES/181(II).

◈ The rejected allocation of the Arab State that was subsequently overrun by action of the Arab League.​

It was the Arab Higher Committee and the warlike act of aggression by Arab Force that disrupted the two-state solution and through a cascade of events, leads the region to the condition we have today.

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ The Declared State of Israel → through the Right of Self-determination → following the recommendation of A/RES/181(II).

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that had nothing to do with Resolution 181. There was no legitimacy.

(REFERENCE)

The 1948 war began following the announcement of the UN General Assembly’s endorsement of Resolution 181 on November 29, 1947, calling for the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. While Jewish authorities in Palestine accepted the resolution, the Arabs—including the Palestinians and the Arab League—
rejected it. In response to the passage of the UN resolution, Arabs began attacking Jews throughout Palestine, and the incidents expanded so that from December 1947 to April or May 1948 an intercommunal war raged between Jewish and Arab residents of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Your insistence and hang-up on the existence/implementation or non-exsistance/non-implementation of A/RES/181 (II) make no difference to the discussion in that the violence that the Arab Community based its justification upon began before the first meeting of the UN Palestine Commission which began the implementation process.

◈ The use by the following the recommendations in Resolution 181 (II) • Israeli use of self-determination (15 May 1948) • and and the intercommunal war (December 1947 to April or May 1948) are all related, but in different ways.

◈ The Resolution 181 (II) contained the Step Preparatory to Independence. The Resolution itself did not grant independence, but representedone step closer on the path towards independence. Yet it created conflict.

◈ The Intercommunal War (December 1947 to April or May 1948) was triggered by the adoption of the Resolution.
​

The Declaration of Independence was a product of following Resolution 181 (II). This was one-half of the equation to the 1948- Israeli War of Independence. The continuation of the conflict to past November 1988 and the recognition of Arab Palestinian Independence cannot be justifiably based in the Resolution, as it was one of the elements used to justify independence.

​

Most Respectfully,

R​

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

Well, of course, the simplest answer is usually the most correct answer.

BLUF: No!

I'm not opposed to there being both. Two separate states for 2 separate peoples. Enough of this childishness.

There is already one state and Israel has made the two-state solution impossible.

(COMMENT)

The thought that "Israel has made the two-state solution impossible" is totally incorrect and a case of refusing to accept the reality of events.

• The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 •

On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

On that day Mid-Night 14/15 May 1948, there were two entities:

◈ The Declared State of Israel → through the Right of Self-determination → following the recommendation of A/RES/181(II).

◈ The rejected allocation of the Arab State that was subsequently overrun by action of the Arab League.​

It was the Arab Higher Committee and the warlike act of aggression by Arab Force that disrupted the two-state solution and through a cascade of events, leads the region to the condition we have today.

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ The Declared State of Israel → through the Right of Self-determination → following the recommendation of A/RES/181(II).

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that had nothing to do with Resolution 181. There was no legitimacy.

The Creation of Israel that the U,N. approved of had no legitimacy? Then their demand Israel go back to borders that were NOT recognized as part of " Palestine" is illegitimate. Thanks for posting

Israel's Foreign Affairs Min.

An Israeli propaganda site.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

You want this (terribly) to be true. And you are certainly entitled to speak your mind and let you opinion known. But, you have not intitled to your own facts.

On November 29, 1947, The UN General Assembly voted to partition the British mandate into Jewish and Arab states. The Arabs of Palestine, supported by the Arab League, adamantly opposed the partition, and the first of four major wars began following news of the UN vote. The first war of 1947–1949 contains two identifiably separate conflicts: the Arab-Jewish communal war of November 30, 1947–May 14, 1948, which included volunteer forces from other Arab states as well as Palestinian Arabs, and the Israeli War of Independence, which began on May 15, 1948, a day after the ending of the British mandate and with the founding of the State of Israel.

—— ——
​

In August 1947 the UN recommended granting Palestine its independence. The UN also developed a plan for partitioning Palestine into separate Arab and Jewish states. Jerusalem was to be classified as an international area under the UN in order to preclude conflict over its status. Although the Arab population in Palestine
was then 1.2 million people and the Jews numbered just 600,000, the UN plan granted the proposed Jewish state some 55 percent of the land and the Arab state only 45 percent. The Arab states rejected the partition plan, which included an economic union. The Jews generally accepted it. The UN General Assembly approved the plan in November 1947, and the British government announced that it would accept the UN recommendation and declared that the British Mandate for Palestine would end on May 15, 1948.

Well, of course, the simplest answer is usually the most correct answer.

BLUF: No!

"Did you mean Palestine"

I'm not opposed to there being both. Two separate states for 2 separate peoples. Enough of this childishness.

There is already one state and Israel has made the two-state solution impossible.

(COMMENT)

The thought that "Israel has made the two-state solution impossible" is totally incorrect and a case of refusing to accept the reality of events.

• The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 •

On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

On that day Mid-Night 14/15 May 1948, there were two entities:

◈ The Declared State of Israel → through the Right of Self-determination → following the recommendation of A/RES/181(II).

◈ The rejected allocation of the Arab State that was subsequently overrun by action of the Arab League.​

It was the Arab Higher Committee and the warlike act of aggression by Arab Force that disrupted the two-state solution and through a cascade of events, leads the region to the condition we have today.

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ The Declared State of Israel → through the Right of Self-determination → following the recommendation of A/RES/181(II).

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that had nothing to do with Resolution 181. There was no legitimacy.

(REFERENCE)

The 1948 war began following the announcement of the UN General Assembly’s endorsement of Resolution 181 on November 29, 1947, calling for the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. While Jewish authorities in Palestine accepted the resolution, the Arabs—including the Palestinians and the Arab League—
rejected it. In response to the passage of the UN resolution, Arabs began attacking Jews throughout Palestine, and the incidents expanded so that from December 1947 to April or May 1948 an intercommunal war raged between Jewish and Arab residents of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Your insistence and hang-up on the existence/implementation or non-exsistance/non-implementation of A/RES/181 (II) make no difference to the discussion in that the violence that the Arab Community based its justification upon began before the first meeting of the UN Palestine Commission which began the implementation process.

◈ The use by the following the recommendations in Resolution 181 (II) • Israeli use of self-determination (15 May 1948) • and and the intercommunal war (December 1947 to April or May 1948) are all related, but in different ways.

◈ The Resolution 181 (II) contained the Step Preparatory to Independence. The Resolution itself did not grant independence, but representedone step closer on the path towards independence. Yet it created conflict.

◈ The Intercommunal War (December 1947 to April or May 1948) was triggered by the adoption of the Resolution.
​

The Declaration of Independence was a product of following Resolution 181 (II). This was one-half of the equation to the 1948- Israeli War of Independence. The continuation of the conflict to past November 1988 and the recognition of Arab Palestinian Independence cannot be justifiably based in the Resolution, as it was one of the elements used to justify independence.

​

Most Respectfully,

R​

The Declaration of Independence was a product of following Resolution 181

“Partition and independence—Palestine within its present borders, following a transitional period of two years from 1 September 1947, shall be constituted into an independent Arab State, an independent Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem...“Independence shall be granted to each State upon its request only after it has adopted a constitution ... has made to the United Nations a declaration containing certain guarantees, and has signed a treaty creating the Economic Union of Palestine and establishing a system of collaboration between the two States and the City of Jerusalem.“Citizenship—Palestinian citizens, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine, shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident ...​

What part of this was followed?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

This is an attempt to absolve the Araab Palestinians by trying to claim a variation of non-performance.

Nonsense! Absolute nonsense!

What part of this was followed?

(COMMENT)

I hold the position that the Arab Palestinians did have and still has an implied duty not to do anything that prevents the other party from performing critical steps preparatory to independence.

When the Arab Palestinians and Arab League aggressors prevent Israel from performance of the General Assembly adopted Recommendation through the uses of armed force, neither the Arab Palestinians or the Arab League agressors may make a legitimate complaint of noncompliance or nonperformance. This same position is just as sound and valid when (as in the recent Arab Palestinians hostile activities on the southern border), disrupts the environment conducive to the maintenance of regional peace and security.

When the Arab Palestinians and Arab League aggressors disputes peace negotiations resort to Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence to prevent peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute THEN, (again) neither the Arab Palestinians or the Arab League aggressors may make a legitimate complaint that the Israelis are NOT pursuing in good faith negotiations.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

This is an attempt to absolve the Araab Palestinians by trying to claim a variation of non-performance.

Nonsense! Absolute nonsense!

What part of this was followed?

(COMMENT)

I hold the position that the Arab Palestinians did have and still has an implied duty not to do anything that prevents the other party from performing critical steps preparatory to independence.

When the Arab Palestinians and Arab League aggressors prevent Israel from performance of the General Assembly adopted Recommendation through the uses of armed force, neither the Arab Palestinians or the Arab League agressors may make a legitimate complaint of noncompliance or nonperformance. This same position is just as sound and valid when (as in the recent Arab Palestinians hostile activities on the southern border), disrupts the environment conducive to the maintenance of regional peace and security.

When the Arab Palestinians and Arab League aggressors disputes peace negotiations resort to Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence to prevent peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute THEN, (again) neither the Arab Palestinians or the Arab League aggressors may make a legitimate complaint that the Israelis are NOT pursuing in good faith negotiations.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel declared independence in Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

In every effective piece of propaganda, there is a bit of truth.

Israel declared independence in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

In May 1948, the meaning of the word Palestine changed.

◈ Prior to mid-night, 14/15 May 1948 Palestine meant one of two things.

• The Government of Palestine, under the Administration of the British Government.

• The limits within the territories under the Palestine Order in Council and to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. This was short-titled described as "Palestine."​

◈ After mid-night, 14/15 May 1948:

• In the "Regional Context" the term Palestine began to revert to the general description of the territory which the Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title.

• In the Agreement between the Government of Palestine and Syria (1923), the intent of the agreement included: Paragraph 4. "In this agreement the term "Palestine" shall include Transjordania, and the Government of Syria agrees to establish bonded stores in Damascus to deal with goods breaking bulk in that town in transit for Transjordania."

• The term "Palestine," much later, began to mean the territories that were occupied by the Arab Forces (Egypt and Jordan).

• Today, the term Palestine means, within the Negotiations context, June 4th 1967 border, which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line.​

The term (Palestine) is now an Ambiguous "Term." Its use must be clearly understood.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

This is an attempt to absolve the Araab Palestinians by trying to claim a variation of non-performance.

Nonsense! Absolute nonsense!

What part of this was followed?

(COMMENT)

I hold the position that the Arab Palestinians did have and still has an implied duty not to do anything that prevents the other party from performing critical steps preparatory to independence.

When the Arab Palestinians and Arab League aggressors prevent Israel from performance of the General Assembly adopted Recommendation through the uses of armed force, neither the Arab Palestinians or the Arab League agressors may make a legitimate complaint of noncompliance or nonperformance. This same position is just as sound and valid when (as in the recent Arab Palestinians hostile activities on the southern border), disrupts the environment conducive to the maintenance of regional peace and security.

When the Arab Palestinians and Arab League aggressors disputes peace negotiations resort to Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence to prevent peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute THEN, (again) neither the Arab Palestinians or the Arab League aggressors may make a legitimate complaint that the Israelis are NOT pursuing in good faith negotiations.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel declared independence in Palestine.

The Jewish people declared their sovereign self-determination in their homeland. That it was called “Palestine” by outsiders has no relevancy to the Jewish people.

Just as the fact that it is called Eretz Israel has no relevancy to the Arab people.

Still BOTH the Arab Palestinians and the Jewish Palestinians (now Jewish Israelis) have rights to self-determination and sovereignty within that territory.

There is no way of denying one and granting the other without being discriminatory.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure what this is and why it is posted.

(COMMENT)

From what little I see here, the suspect appears to be resisting arrest.

• The suspect (I think) is screaming "I'm a Jew."
• We see what → we assume → are Israeli Police.
• They roll the suspect over.
• And the Officers (we assume) are handcuffing the suspect.​

Do we know more then that? What is the intent of the video and why is it posted here?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

In every effective piece of propaganda, there is a bit of truth.

Israel declared independence in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

In May 1948, the meaning of the word Palestine changed.

◈ Prior to mid-night, 14/15 May 1948 Palestine meant one of two things.

• The Government of Palestine, under the Administration of the British Government.

• The limits within the territories under the Palestine Order in Council and to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. This was short-titled described as "Palestine."​

◈ After mid-night, 14/15 May 1948:

• In the "Regional Context" the term Palestine began to revert to the general description of the territory which the Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title.

• In the Agreement between the Government of Palestine and Syria (1923), the intent of the agreement included: Paragraph 4. "In this agreement the term "Palestine" shall include Transjordania, and the Government of Syria agrees to establish bonded stores in Damascus to deal with goods breaking bulk in that town in transit for Transjordania."

• The term "Palestine," much later, began to mean the territories that were occupied by the Arab Forces (Egypt and Jordan).

• Today, the term Palestine means, within the Negotiations context, June 4th 1967 border, which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line.​

The term (Palestine) is now an Ambiguous "Term." Its use must be clearly understood.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Today, the term Palestine means, within the Negotiations context, June 4th 1967 border, which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line.

The armistice lines are not borders. they do not define anything.

Anyone who uses them is a propagandist.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

This is an attempt to absolve the Araab Palestinians by trying to claim a variation of non-performance.

Nonsense! Absolute nonsense!

What part of this was followed?

(COMMENT)

I hold the position that the Arab Palestinians did have and still has an implied duty not to do anything that prevents the other party from performing critical steps preparatory to independence.

When the Arab Palestinians and Arab League aggressors prevent Israel from performance of the General Assembly adopted Recommendation through the uses of armed force, neither the Arab Palestinians or the Arab League agressors may make a legitimate complaint of noncompliance or nonperformance. This same position is just as sound and valid when (as in the recent Arab Palestinians hostile activities on the southern border), disrupts the environment conducive to the maintenance of regional peace and security.

When the Arab Palestinians and Arab League aggressors disputes peace negotiations resort to Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence to prevent peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute THEN, (again) neither the Arab Palestinians or the Arab League aggressors may make a legitimate complaint that the Israelis are NOT pursuing in good faith negotiations.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel declared independence in Palestine.

The Jewish people declared their sovereign self-determination in their homeland. That it was called “Palestine” by outsiders has no relevancy to the Jewish people.

Just as the fact that it is called Eretz Israel has no relevancy to the Arab people.

Still BOTH the Arab Palestinians and the Jewish Palestinians (now Jewish Israelis) have rights to self-determination and sovereignty within that territory.

There is no way of denying one and granting the other without being discriminatory.

There is no way of denying one and granting the other without being discriminatory.

IOW, apartheid.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Funny you should say that. I entirely agree with you.

The armistice lines are not borders. they do not define anything.

Anyone who uses them is a propagandist.

(REFERENCE)

Summary
The delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution.

(COMMENT)

But I suspect that NOT all Arab Palestinians agree with you.

• Mahmoud Abbas Speaks to Israelis, the West and Palestinians by C. Jacob •
The PA’s official positions in the negotiations with Israel were delivered by the president’s spokesman, Nabil Abu Rudeineh. He said that the principles serving as the basis for any solution were stated in a letter from ‘Abbas that was delivered to President Obama by John Kerry, and they are:

– The borders of the Palestinian state are the 1967 borders. Israel must withdraw from all Palestinian territories occupied in 1967. The withdrawal can be carried out gradually over 3-4 years.

– East Jerusalem is the capital of the Palestinian state.

– Resolving the refugee problem based on UN resolutions and the Saudi initiative – a just and agreed-upon solution based on Resolution 194.

– The PLO recognized Israel and therefore there is no reason to recognize it as a Jewish state.​

How many official positions are there on the Arab Palestinian side of the equation?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Funny you should say that. I entirely agree with you.

The armistice lines are not borders. they do not define anything.

Anyone who uses them is a propagandist.

(REFERENCE)
View attachment 268139
Summary
The delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution.
View attachment 268141
(COMMENT)

But I suspect that NOT all Arab Palestinians agree with you.

• Mahmoud Abbas Speaks to Israelis, the West and Palestinians by C. Jacob •
The PA’s official positions in the negotiations with Israel were delivered by the president’s spokesman, Nabil Abu Rudeineh. He said that the principles serving as the basis for any solution were stated in a letter from ‘Abbas that was delivered to President Obama by John Kerry, and they are:

– The borders of the Palestinian state are the 1967 borders. Israel must withdraw from all Palestinian territories occupied in 1967. The withdrawal can be carried out gradually over 3-4 years.

– East Jerusalem is the capital of the Palestinian state.

– Resolving the refugee problem based on UN resolutions and the Saudi initiative – a just and agreed-upon solution based on Resolution 194.

– The PLO recognized Israel and therefore there is no reason to recognize it as a Jewish state.​

How many official positions are there on the Arab Palestinian side of the equation?

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, the political elites don't make much sense.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

This is an attempt to absolve the Araab Palestinians by trying to claim a variation of non-performance.

Nonsense! Absolute nonsense!

What part of this was followed?

(COMMENT)

I hold the position that the Arab Palestinians did have and still has an implied duty not to do anything that prevents the other party from performing critical steps preparatory to independence.

When the Arab Palestinians and Arab League aggressors prevent Israel from performance of the General Assembly adopted Recommendation through the uses of armed force, neither the Arab Palestinians or the Arab League agressors may make a legitimate complaint of noncompliance or nonperformance. This same position is just as sound and valid when (as in the recent Arab Palestinians hostile activities on the southern border), disrupts the environment conducive to the maintenance of regional peace and security.

When the Arab Palestinians and Arab League aggressors disputes peace negotiations resort to Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence to prevent peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute THEN, (again) neither the Arab Palestinians or the Arab League aggressors may make a legitimate complaint that the Israelis are NOT pursuing in good faith negotiations.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel declared independence in Palestine.

To Jews, the entire area has been known as Eretz Yisrael since ancient times. The areas are called Israel and/or Judea in the Bible (including the Christian New Testament).

 

[ForeverYoung436]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

In every effective piece of propaganda, there is a bit of truth.

Israel declared independence in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

In May 1948, the meaning of the word Palestine changed.

◈ Prior to mid-night, 14/15 May 1948 Palestine meant one of two things.

• The Government of Palestine, under the Administration of the British Government.

• The limits within the territories under the Palestine Order in Council and to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. This was short-titled described as "Palestine."​

◈ After mid-night, 14/15 May 1948:

• In the "Regional Context" the term Palestine began to revert to the general description of the territory which the Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title.

• In the Agreement between the Government of Palestine and Syria (1923), the intent of the agreement included: Paragraph 4. "In this agreement the term "Palestine" shall include Transjordania, and the Government of Syria agrees to establish bonded stores in Damascus to deal with goods breaking bulk in that town in transit for Transjordania."

• The term "Palestine," much later, began to mean the territories that were occupied by the Arab Forces (Egypt and Jordan).

• Today, the term Palestine means, within the Negotiations context, June 4th 1967 border, which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line.​

The term (Palestine) is now an Ambiguous "Term." Its use must be clearly understood.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Today, the term Palestine means, within the Negotiations context, June 4th 1967 border, which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line.

The armistice lines are not borders. they do not define anything.

Anyone who uses them is a propagandist.

When President Trump recently crossed the Armistice Line in Korea, he made history as the first American president to step into North Korea.

Besides that, the 1967 lines are held to be sacrosanct by the Palestinians. The Israelis are more flexible about what the final borders will be.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Manal Tamimi and cousin Saeed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Maher T. Samaro and Wael S.a. Faqeeh.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Manal Tamimi

 

[P F Tinmore]