On The Education Industry Recruiting Liberals

[frigidweirdo]

You can see why education is in such a mess in the US.

All the wrong questions are being asked, it's turning into another Partisan BS argument and no one seems to be giving much of a damn about actual EDUCATION.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You can see why education is in such a mess in the US.

All the wrong questions are being asked, it's turning into another Partisan BS argument and no one seems to be giving much of a damn about actual EDUCATION.

That would require actual work, something the Americans now leave to others.

 

[Unkotare]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

Several countries with which American public education is often compared unfavorably are hardly what you would consider "liberal."

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

Several countries with which American public education is often compared unfavorably are hardly what you would consider "liberal."

Not the countries, their educational system. They are separate things.

 

[Unkotare]

That would require actual work, something the Americans now leave to others.

And where are you from, asshole?

 

[Unkotare]

Not the countries, their educational system. They are separate things.

I meant their educational systems, dope.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

That would require actual work, something the Americans now leave to others.

And where are you from, asshole?

The land of the lazy and the stupid of course. good old America.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Not the countries, their educational system. They are separate things.

I meant their educational systems, dope.

Good, next time say that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

Can't you EVER get anything right????

"Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores, Shanghai tops the world, Finland slips"
Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores Shanghai tops the world Finland slips Education By The Numbers

 

[NYcarbineer]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

Can't you EVER get anything right????

"Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores, Shanghai tops the world, Finland slips"
Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores Shanghai tops the world Finland slips Education By The Numbers

Just for the record, Shanghai is not a country. I'm not surprised you didn't know that.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

Can't you EVER get anything right????

"Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores, Shanghai tops the world, Finland slips"
Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores Shanghai tops the world Finland slips Education By The Numbers

I can't help the fact that you don't understand what a Liberal educational system is, and that it is unrelated to the political system of the same country.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

Can't you EVER get anything right????

"Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores, Shanghai tops the world, Finland slips"
Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores Shanghai tops the world Finland slips Education By The Numbers

Just a footnote from your link:

*The children of migrant workers, who number about 9 million in Shanghai, are believed to be largely excluded from the PISA results. Migrants who don’t have Shanghai residency are not entitled to education there.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

Can't you EVER get anything right????

"Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores, Shanghai tops the world, Finland slips"
Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores Shanghai tops the world Finland slips Education By The Numbers

You do have to be careful of international test scores. The first point is, what's the point to a test?

Most countries have an outdated education system.

China certainly does. I've seen Chinese kids try and do the US SAT exam, they math they can ace, simple as, the essay, they don't know enough stuff to be able to write the test. You have to back it up with information about different people, books, history or whatever, but they just don't know stuff and struggle to make a decent argument.

A modern education system should be teaching the skills that present day students will need in the workplace in the future. This isn't happening. Not in China, not much in the US, in some places in Europe it's happening to a certain extent.

To get politicians to pull their heads out of their a******s would take a lot, too much on this subject. The right, as you can see by looking at this forum, have no interest in education educating the lower masses to more than McDonald's pour the fries here and the shake there sort of education levels. They want private education to be much, much better because their kids are going to these schools.
Also there seems to be this thing that too many teachers are liberal, hardly surprising when you consider it is EDUCATION, but still, it's all a game for them and the OUTCOMES are not important, gaining a political advantage is.

I'm not saying those on the left don't do this either, the education is in a mess for a reason, however I'm going to bet it's better in Democratic states than Republican.

The average rate for Graduates taking SATs is 46%. A pathetically low number.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_154.asp

Look at the statistics is quite hard. Because Iowa, for example has a high score, but a VERY low number of people taking the SATs. So it's almost impossible to compare states.

https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/TotalGroup-2014.pdf

Money plays a part. The more money your parents earn, the better chance you have of passing the test which is probably why white kids do better than black too.

I can't find states for the number of students who go to college each year, there might be a pattern there.

However there seem to be a lot of statistics that don't tell you very much, and if politicians are reading such statistics, they're clearly looking in the wrong places anyway.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Just a footnote from your link:

*The children of migrant workers, who number about 9 million in Shanghai, are believed to be largely excluded from the PISA results. Migrants who don’t have Shanghai residency are not entitled to education there.

This is normal in China. A lot of kids might stay with their grandparents back home, some go and go to schools for migrant worker kids which are generally not very good, often closed down in Beijing at least. The rest of the country didn't take the test anyway. So it's comparing Shanghai with the whole of the US which isn't exactly fair anyway.

But the point about what they study is more important. Chinese kids are robots. Ask them to think up of something original and a majority will be unable to do this.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

Can't you EVER get anything right????

"Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores, Shanghai tops the world, Finland slips"
Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores Shanghai tops the world Finland slips Education By The Numbers

I can't help the fact that you don't understand what a Liberal educational system is, and that it is unrelated to the political system of the same country.

Wrong, dork.

1. The indoctrination by ‘educators’ was intensified via the National History Standards. The document, supposed to examine what was most important for students to learn about America did not mention Daniel Webster, Robert E. Lee, Thomas Edison, or Albert Einstein. “The federally funded “National History Standards” for elementary schools were released in 1994, cemented a revisionist view of American Communism for schoolteachers, as the guide mentions McCarthy over twenty times, while Edison and the Wright Brothers got no mention. “It …repeatedly condemns McCarthyism as an unmitigated evil…[but] the Hiss-Chambers and Rosenberg cases, the two dominant controversies of the anticommunist era, are described with bland, neutral language crafted to keep from implying guilt while not being quite so foolhardy as to actually assert innocence..’National Standards’…implies that the cases are part and parcel of the McCartyite horror.” From “In Denial,” by Haynes and Klehr, pg. 151
   1. This is "Liberal Education:"
      
      1. Issues of race, ethnicity and gender were emphasized nearly three times as much as political liberty and democracy.
      In fact, the term “Left” refers to the values associated with the Western welfare state, secularism, and the vast array of attitudes and positions identified as Left from Karl Marx to contemporary socialist democrat parties and today’s Democratic Party in the United States. The Left-wing ‘trinity’ is race, gender, class. Prager, "Still The Best Hope," chapter one.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

Can't you EVER get anything right????

"Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores, Shanghai tops the world, Finland slips"
Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores Shanghai tops the world Finland slips Education By The Numbers

You do have to be careful of international test scores. The first point is, what's the point to a test?

Most countries have an outdated education system.

China certainly does. I've seen Chinese kids try and do the US SAT exam, they math they can ace, simple as, the essay, they don't know enough stuff to be able to write the test. You have to back it up with information about different people, books, history or whatever, but they just don't know stuff and struggle to make a decent argument.

A modern education system should be teaching the skills that present day students will need in the workplace in the future. This isn't happening. Not in China, not much in the US, in some places in Europe it's happening to a certain extent.

To get politicians to pull their heads out of their a******s would take a lot, too much on this subject. The right, as you can see by looking at this forum, have no interest in education educating the lower masses to more than McDonald's pour the fries here and the shake there sort of education levels. They want private education to be much, much better because their kids are going to these schools.
Also there seems to be this thing that too many teachers are liberal, hardly surprising when you consider it is EDUCATION, but still, it's all a game for them and the OUTCOMES are not important, gaining a political advantage is.

I'm not saying those on the left don't do this either, the education is in a mess for a reason, however I'm going to bet it's better in Democratic states than Republican.

The average rate for Graduates taking SATs is 46%. A pathetically low number.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_154.asp

Look at the statistics is quite hard. Because Iowa, for example has a high score, but a VERY low number of people taking the SATs. So it's almost impossible to compare states.

https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/TotalGroup-2014.pdf

Money plays a part. The more money your parents earn, the better chance you have of passing the test which is probably why white kids do better than black too.

I can't find states for the number of students who go to college each year, there might be a pattern there.

However there seem to be a lot of statistics that don't tell you very much, and if politicians are reading such statistics, they're clearly looking in the wrong places anyway.

"Most countries have an outdated education system."

But they score higher than the one instituted by Liberals in the US????

You moron.

 

[Dot Com]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

OOPS!!! PoliticalChic

\end thread

 

[billyerock1991]

translation = can't stand it when we're right ..

Do you seriously think "The reason is that they only major in voodoo economics (the Austrian *cough* "school") They don't have the inclination or the smarts to want to learn about anything outside of money & how to funnel it upwards to the top 1%" is "right," you hysterical little nitwit? Even you can't be that stupid.

you've got to be the stupidesed [sic] gullible person on this board ... if you think the 1% is your best bet ... then you are a doushbag [sic]

Your straw man is as clumsy and futile as your attempts at writing in the English language.

and yet your clumsy and futile attempt with the english language prove my point, douchbag ... really thats your best when confronted ??? typical republican loser ...

 

[billyerock1991]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

Can't you EVER get anything right????

"Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores, Shanghai tops the world, Finland slips"
Top US students fare poorly in international PISA test scores Shanghai tops the world Finland slips Education By The Numbers

You do have to be careful of international test scores. The first point is, what's the point to a test?

Most countries have an outdated education system.

China certainly does. I've seen Chinese kids try and do the US SAT exam, they math they can ace, simple as, the essay, they don't know enough stuff to be able to write the test. You have to back it up with information about different people, books, history or whatever, but they just don't know stuff and struggle to make a decent argument.

A modern education system should be teaching the skills that present day students will need in the workplace in the future. This isn't happening. Not in China, not much in the US, in some places in Europe it's happening to a certain extent.

To get politicians to pull their heads out of their a******s would take a lot, too much on this subject. The right, as you can see by looking at this forum, have no interest in education educating the lower masses to more than McDonald's pour the fries here and the shake there sort of education levels. They want private education to be much, much better because their kids are going to these schools.
Also there seems to be this thing that too many teachers are liberal, hardly surprising when you consider it is EDUCATION, but still, it's all a game for them and the OUTCOMES are not important, gaining a political advantage is.

I'm not saying those on the left don't do this either, the education is in a mess for a reason, however I'm going to bet it's better in Democratic states than Republican.

The average rate for Graduates taking SATs is 46%. A pathetically low number.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_154.asp

Look at the statistics is quite hard. Because Iowa, for example has a high score, but a VERY low number of people taking the SATs. So it's almost impossible to compare states.

https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/TotalGroup-2014.pdf

Money plays a part. The more money your parents earn, the better chance you have of passing the test which is probably why white kids do better than black too.

I can't find states for the number of students who go to college each year, there might be a pattern there.

However there seem to be a lot of statistics that don't tell you very much, and if politicians are reading such statistics, they're clearly looking in the wrong places anyway.

"Most countries have an outdated education system."

But they score higher than the one instituted by Liberals in the US????

You moron.

still showing your us, meaning Liberals/dems, your stupidity ... you haven't failed us yet

 

[PoliticalChic]

The results are in.

And where are these results from? Oh right, countries with Liberal education systems. Carry on.

OOPS!!! PoliticalChic

\end thread

Why are you Liberals so deathly afraid of opposing voices?