Ok we tried it one way

[Mr.Fitnah]

What isthe left wing solution that we haven't seen before?.
Left wing is progressive .
I dont want to, but I will drop the historical hammer on you.
So what does the left have to offer?
Other than spelling and grammar tips?
Yeah, it was great with child labor laws .

where does it end?
capitol punishment for spelling errors ?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dw1rau4_U]YouTube - Understanding progressives 1.wmv[/ame]

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Do you really know what you stand for ?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Are you sure you know what is happening ?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Oh Its Glenn Beck . He's a n Idiot ,

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Its everything you hate

But itsss Gleeeeeeeen Beeeecck.
What happens when the the person you hate tells you the truth ?/
you have to tell some one the spelled a word wrong

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Come on you progressives make your point . Dont leave me hanging just say Beck!!!!

 

[L.K.Eder]

Its everything you hate

But itsss Gleeeeeeeen Beeeecck.
What happens when the the person you hate tells you the truth ?/
you have to tell some one the spelled a word wrong

what is capitol punishment?

two blizzards in a week?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I guess you are all at work

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Well we tried it the Republican or "conservative" way as well, and that didn't work out either. So I don't think going back and forth between progressives and neocons is really the way to solve any problem whatsoever when both groups see government as the solution.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Progress is bad?

Since when?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Progress is bad?

Since when?

Progressives don't support progress. Progressivism is actually regressive towards statism. What the classical liberals progressed from, the Progressives want to regress towards.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Progressivism is, specifically, social progressivism. You know, progressism past slavery (which the FF supported), social injustice, economic exploitation of the poor- everything that Bourgeoisie Liberalism embraces. Bourgeois Liberalism is based on the Right to Exploit, the idea that a man has a right to do unto others what he can and that if a man is poor is is just because he was unable to compete. that is, for instance, why they opppose marget and business regulation and oppose social safety nets to protect the elderly, ill, and injured.

Social Progressivism is the natural evolution of Liberalism, embracing the true spirit of compassionate liberalism and seeking to reform and guide society towards a more egalitarian and just future, using the machinations of the State as a means to protect the weakest among us.

 

[editec]

What isthe left wing solution that we haven't seen before?.
Left wing is progressive .
I dont want to, but I will drop the historical hammer on you.
So what does the left have to offer?
Other than spelling and grammar tips?
Yeah, it was great with child labor laws .

where does it end?
capitol punishment for spelling errors ?
YouTube - Understanding progressives 1.wmv

I'm not sure how to break this to you, Mr Fitnah, but if you want to understand the minds of the so-called left, Glen Beck isn't they guy who can explain it to you.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Progressivism is, specifically, social progressivism. You know, progressism past slavery (which the FF supported), social injustice, economic exploitation of the poor- everything that Bourgeoisie Liberalism embraces. Bourgeois Liberalism is based on the Right to Exploit, the idea that a man has a right to do unto others what he can and that if a man is poor is is just because he was unable to compete. that is, for instance, why they opppose marget and business regulation and oppose social safety nets to protect the elderly, ill, and injured.

Social Progressivism is the natural evolution of Liberalism, embracing the true spirit of compassionate liberalism and seeking to reform and guide society towards a more egalitarian and just future, using the machinations of the State as a means to protect the weakest among us.

When it is the state who is most likely to aggress against the weakest among us, all in the name of the greater good of course. That is why progressivism fails.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Progressivism is, specifically, social progressivism. You know, progressism past slavery (which the FF supported), social injustice, economic exploitation of the poor- everything that Bourgeoisie Liberalism embraces. Bourgeois Liberalism is based on the Right to Exploit, the idea that a man has a right to do unto others what he can and that if a man is poor is is just because he was unable to compete. that is, for instance, why they oppose market and business regulation and oppose social safety nets to protect the elderly, ill, and injured.

Social Progressivism is the natural evolution of Liberalism, embracing the true spirit of compassionate liberalism and seeking to reform and guide society towards a more egalitarian and just future, using the machinations of the State as a means to protect the weakest among us.

When it is the state who is most likely to aggress against the weakest among us, all in the name of the greater good of course. That is why progressivism fails.

The State exists in the first place specifically because individuals cannot be trusted to not act against eachother. That is why societies form to ensure mutual protection through law and the military. It was the State that acted to finally end slavery and enforce its abolition. The Civil Rights movements could not have been successful without the machinations of the State to enforce just law aimed at ending one groups aggressions against another.

While the State can act against, the People it can only do so if the State is not comprised of those governed. In that case, the State is not a State of the governed- it is not their nation- rather, it becomes one class or group ruling over and exploiting another. in this regard, it is analogous to one country dominating another or a corporation acting against the proletariat to exploit the lower classes. This, of course, is not self-governance, but domination by an authoritarian overclass- an oligarchy which does not represent the masses. IN this case, it become not a problem of governance itself, but of exploitation and the lack of a proper and just form of governance.

Nice evasion, btw, but you've yet to address the point made.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Progressivism is, specifically, social progressivism. You know, progressism past slavery (which the FF supported), social injustice, economic exploitation of the poor- everything that Bourgeoisie Liberalism embraces. Bourgeois Liberalism is based on the Right to Exploit, the idea that a man has a right to do unto others what he can and that if a man is poor is is just because he was unable to compete. that is, for instance, why they oppose market and business regulation and oppose social safety nets to protect the elderly, ill, and injured.

Social Progressivism is the natural evolution of Liberalism, embracing the true spirit of compassionate liberalism and seeking to reform and guide society towards a more egalitarian and just future, using the machinations of the State as a means to protect the weakest among us.

When it is the state who is most likely to aggress against the weakest among us, all in the name of the greater good of course. That is why progressivism fails.

The State exists in the first place specifically because individuals cannot be trusted to not act against eachother. That is why societies form to ensure mutual protection through law and the military. It was the State that acted to finally end slavery and enforce its abolition. The Civil Rights movements could not have been successful without the machinations of the State to enforce just law aimed at ending one groups aggressions against another.

While the State can act against, the People it can only do so if the State is not comprised of those governed. In that case, the State is not a State of the governed- it is not their nation- rather, it becomes one class or group ruling over and exploiting another. in this regard, it is analogous to one country dominating another or a corporation acting against the proletariat to exploit the lower classes. This, of course, is not self-governance, but domination by an authoritarian overclass- an oligarchy which does not represent the masses. IN this case, it become not a problem of governance itself, but of exploitation and the lack of a proper and just form of governance.

Nice evasion, btw, but you've yet to address the point made.

The State exists so that the few can plunder the many. And yes, the state did abolish slavery. After it promoted, practiced, and endorsed slavery. And it didn't even end slavery for any good reason, it simply did so because one man wanted to stick it to a certain region of the nation.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Do you really know what you stand for ?

I'm fairly certain that I know what I stand for a whole lot better than Glenn Beck does.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

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The State exists so that the few can plunder the many

You need to read up on some history books. Also, read the words of the FF.

And yes, the state did abolish slavery. After it promoted, practiced, and endorsed slavery. And it didn't even end slavery for any good reason, it simply did so because one man wanted to stick it to a certain region of the nation.

Um, moron, that man you're thinking of didn't free the slaves everywhere. He didn't abolish slavery, he freed those slaves who lived in a certain region.


Nice try, but you've once again failed to rebut any of my points. This is becoming a pattern with you.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

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The State exists so that the few can plunder the many

You need to read up on some history books. Also, read the words of the FF.

And yes, the state did abolish slavery. After it promoted, practiced, and endorsed slavery. And it didn't even end slavery for any good reason, it simply did so because one man wanted to stick it to a certain region of the nation.

Um, moron, that man you're thinking of didn't free the slaves everywhere. He didn't abolish slavery, he freed those slaves who lived in a certain region.


Nice try, but you've once again failed to rebut any of my points. This is becoming a pattern with you.

There's a pattern developing with you as well, and it's the mythic and all-powerful claim to victory.