Obama Voters, The Real Failures

[JoeB131]

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Funny, I seem to recall a 10% rise in healthcare spending in the first quarter of this year:

Health Costs Resume Their Rise - Forbes

Did you actually read your own article?

Here, I'll give you the money shot.

The slowdown was largely due to the recession. Americans responded to stagnant wages and an uncertain economy by cutting back on medical expenses.

But with the economy picking up once again, health spending has returned to pre-recession levels. In January, it reached historically high levels as a share of GDP. And in February, health spending growth reached a seven-year high, according to the Altarum Institute.

Spending is going up because people are consuming more care. Doctor’s office visits increased by 2.7 percent in 2013. Specialist visits rose 4.9 percent the same year.

Hospitals tallied 13 million more outpatient visits in 2013 — a 3.2 percent increase over 2012. Inpatient visits rose 10.5 percent. Overall, hospital admissions increased 2.6 percent last year.

OH MY GOD, THE ECONOMY HAS IMPROVED ENOUGH WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY TAKING CARE OF THEIR HEALTH PROBLEMS!!!! OBAMA'S A MONSTER!!!!

Seriously, you can't make this shit up!

 

[Greenbeard]

Funny, I seem to recall a 10% rise in healthcare spending in the first quarter of this year:

Health Costs Resume Their Rise - Forbes

Yeah, that didn't actually happen.


Health spending actually fell while Obamacare insured Americans

The BEA initially estimated that health care spending climbed 9.1 percent in the first quarter of 2014 — a potentially worrisome increase. The agency released their second revision of that number today: now they believe that health care spending has fallen by 1.4 percent.

That means health care spending went down while the number of Americans with insurance may have gone up. According to the Altarum Institute, this marks the largest decline in health care services spending since the first quarter of 1982. . .

This revision is precisely what we would expect, based on the Census's Quarterly Services Survey released on June 11. This survey — which collects industry information like hospital revenue, inpatient days and discharges — provided the data that the BEA used to revise its numbers.

Now that the data are in, they show that health spending actually declined in the first three months of 2014 relative to the end of 2013. That means the slowdown in health spending is continuing, though it's hard to pin down exactly what's driving it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Funny, I seem to recall a 10% rise in healthcare spending in the first quarter of this year:

Health Costs Resume Their Rise - Forbes

Yeah, that didn't actually happen.


Health spending actually fell while Obamacare insured Americans

The BEA initially estimated that health care spending climbed 9.1 percent in the first quarter of 2014 — a potentially worrisome increase. The agency released their second revision of that number today: now they believe that health care spending has fallen by 1.4 percent.

That means health care spending went down while the number of Americans with insurance may have gone up. According to the Altarum Institute, this marks the largest decline in health care services spending since the first quarter of 1982. . .

This revision is precisely what we would expect, based on the Census's Quarterly Services Survey released on June 11. This survey — which collects industry information like hospital revenue, inpatient days and discharges — provided the data that the BEA used to revise its numbers.

Now that the data are in, they show that health spending actually declined in the first three months of 2014 relative to the end of 2013. That means the slowdown in health spending is continuing, though it's hard to pin down exactly what's driving it.

You are paid by the government, aren't you.


"Report: Premiums rising faster than eight years before Obamacare COMBINED"
Premiums rising faster than eight years before Obamacare The Daily Caller

 

[Geaux4it]

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Funny, I seem to recall a 10% rise in healthcare spending in the first quarter of this year:

Health Costs Resume Their Rise - Forbes

Did you actually read your own article?

Here, I'll give you the money shot.

The slowdown was largely due to the recession. Americans responded to stagnant wages and an uncertain economy by cutting back on medical expenses.

But with the economy picking up once again, health spending has returned to pre-recession levels. In January, it reached historically high levels as a share of GDP. And in February, health spending growth reached a seven-year high, according to the Altarum Institute.

Spending is going up because people are consuming more care. Doctor’s office visits increased by 2.7 percent in 2013. Specialist visits rose 4.9 percent the same year.

Hospitals tallied 13 million more outpatient visits in 2013 — a 3.2 percent increase over 2012. Inpatient visits rose 10.5 percent. Overall, hospital admissions increased 2.6 percent last year.

OH MY GOD, THE ECONOMY HAS IMPROVED ENOUGH WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY TAKING CARE OF THEIR HEALTH PROBLEMS!!!! OBAMA'S A MONSTER!!!!

Seriously, you can't make this shit up!

Obama's not a monster, but a complete failure in out countries never ending quest for diversity,

-Geaux

 

[Greenbeard]

"Report: Premiums rising faster than eight years before Obamacare COMBINED"

The tide appears to be turning, as the era of double digit premium increases has largely come to an end. In the employer-based market:

Employee Health Insurance Costs Barely Increased This Year

For a change, the cost of the health insurance you get at work didn't go up much this year.

The cost of job-based health benefits stayed nearly flat in 2014, according to survey results released Wednesday. This year's figures continue a trend of slow growth in premiums for health insurance provided by employers.

The average annual premium for a family plan rose 3 percent to $16,834, and the average price for a single worker increased 2 percent to $6,025, the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and the American Hospital Association's Health Research and Educational Trust found. Workers on family plans are paying an average 29 percent of that cost, while single employees are paying 18 percent of it. The groups polled more than 2,000 small and large employers for their report.

And in many of the new state-based exchanges:

Good news for Oregonians! Health premiums to drop next year

After several years of rate hikes, health insurance premiums will drop for thousands of Oregonians next year, reflecting slower growth in underlying costs and increased competition, said Insurance Commissioner Laura Cali.

Health-care premiums fall in Arkansas

Arkansas Gov. Mike Beebe’s office said Wednesday that most health-care customers will pay less for their plans next year, a relief to state residents — and to the Democratic senator trying to hold onto his seat in one of the country’s most expensive elections.

Health-care premiums will decline about 2 percent next year, Beebe (D) wrote in a statement Wednesday.

Exclusive: many New Mexicans will pay less for health insurance next year

Individual health insurance premiums in New Mexico will drop by an average of 1 to 2 percent in 2015 for those who buy on the state’s health insurance exchange, New Mexico Superintendent of Insurance John Franchini said Wednesday.

Health exchange premiums will drop

Aug. 27--TUPELO -- Many Northeast Mississippians shopping for insurance on healthcare.gov will see lower premiums for 2015.

Premiums for Magnolia Health, which offers the only plans available for Northeast Mississippi counties except for Alcorn and Tishomingo, are expected to go down by about 25 percent, according to a report in the Mississippi Business Journal.

After rate hike rejected, Anthem to decrease premiums next year

Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield’s individual-market customers will, on average, see a slight decrease in their premiums next year under new rates approved by the Connecticut Insurance Department.

2015 health insurance premiums on Obamacare exchanges won’t increase much

HELENA – Prices for 2015 health insurance policies sold on Montana’s federal online “marketplace” will increase only 1.35 percent, on average, state Auditor Monica Lindeen said Wednesday.

Connector health plans for 2015 will rise by 1.6%

People shopping for health insurance through the state this fall will find a selection of plans that, for many, will cost little more — and sometimes even less — than in the current year.

The price of plans on the Massachusetts Health Connector will increase an average of 1.6 percent in 2015.

90 health plans approved for 2015 Exchange

OLYMPIA, Wash. - The Office of the Insurance Commissioner has approved 10 health insurers to sell 90 individual health plans inside Washington’s Exchange, Washington Healthplanfinder next year. The overall approved average rate change is just 1.9 percent, significantly lower than the Exchange insurers’ original request of 8.6 percent.

Premiums for Obamacare plans in Maine dip or remain flat for 2015

Maine Community Health Options will raise rates on a single plan, with relatively low membership, by just under 1 percent, according to Lewis. The monthly premium for the startup insurer’s best-selling plan will fall by about half a percentage point, he said.

The other insurer that sold plans through Healthcare.gov in the state this year, Anthem Health Plans of Maine, will reduce premium costs by 1.1 percent on average.

Colorado health insurance premiums to rise 3.4% next year

Colorado insurance premiums may rise by 3.4 percent, with an average insurance premium of $411 a month, according to PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP's preliminary analysis of individual market rate filings.

Obamacare rate hikes in California to average 4% in 2015

Despite concerns that insurance rates would skyrocket by 20% to 30% in year two of the Affordable Care Act, officials supervising the nation’s biggest market for health coverage said Thursday California will see premiums climb by an average of just over 4% for 2015.

More Indiana options coming on insurance exchange | 2014-08-29 | Indianapolis Business Journal

Indiana residents will have more than triple the number of health insurance plans to choose from when the federal insurance exchange enrollment period starts in November, according to a state official. . .

Korty said a 5-percent average increase in exchange premiums is expected on Indiana policies.

Md. approves smaller rate hikes for CareFirst, lowers rates for 3 others

Maryland officials approved final insurance rates Friday for consumers buying individual health plans next year under the federal health-care law. Regulators cut proposed premiums by more than half for CareFirst, the region’s dominant insurance company, and approved lower rates for three other carriers.

OHIC Approves Commercial Health Insurance Rates for 2015

Today, Health Insurance Commissioner Kathleen C Hittner, MD announced her final decision to approve lower premium increases than requested by most insurers for individuals,and small and large employers that purchase their coverage through Blue Cross Blue Shield of Rhode Island (BCBSRI), Neighborhood Health Plan of Rhode Island (NHPRI), Tufts Health Plan (Tufts) and UnitedHealthcare (United).

New York's Obamacare rates will rise an average of 5.7% for its second year

Rates for individual insurance plans in New York will rise an average of 5.7% in the second year of Obamacare, the state Department of Financial Services reported Thursday.

Utah Health Premiums to Increase 5.7 Percent

State assistance insurance commissioner Tanji (TAN-jee) Northrup says premium rates increase every year along with healthcare costs. She says preliminary estimates show that premium rates for individuals will go up by about 5.7 percent on average. That’s compared to an estimated national increase of 7 percent.

“As usual, Utah trends on increases in health insurance premium rates are lower than national average. They’re also lower than probably what we have seen in past years,” Northrup says

Obamacare's silver lining: Price drop for key plans

Prices for benchmark Obamacare insurance "silver" plans are set to drop an average of 0.8 percent next year in 16 major cities—while the lowest-cost "bronze" plans in those areas are looking at a 3.3 percent rise, a new analysis released Friday found.

 

[JoeB131]

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Obama's not a monster, but a complete failure in out countries never ending quest for diversity,

-Geaux

Right. because we were so much better off under Bush.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Report: Premiums rising faster than eight years before Obamacare COMBINED"

The tide appears to be turning, as the era of double digit premium increases has largely come to an end. In the employer-based market:

Employee Health Insurance Costs Barely Increased This Year

For a change, the cost of the health insurance you get at work didn't go up much this year.

The cost of job-based health benefits stayed nearly flat in 2014, according to survey results released Wednesday. This year's figures continue a trend of slow growth in premiums for health insurance provided by employers.

The average annual premium for a family plan rose 3 percent to $16,834, and the average price for a single worker increased 2 percent to $6,025, the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and the American Hospital Association's Health Research and Educational Trust found. Workers on family plans are paying an average 29 percent of that cost, while single employees are paying 18 percent of it. The groups polled more than 2,000 small and large employers for their report.

And in many of the new state-based exchanges:

Good news for Oregonians! Health premiums to drop next year

After several years of rate hikes, health insurance premiums will drop for thousands of Oregonians next year, reflecting slower growth in underlying costs and increased competition, said Insurance Commissioner Laura Cali.

Health-care premiums fall in Arkansas

Arkansas Gov. Mike Beebe’s office said Wednesday that most health-care customers will pay less for their plans next year, a relief to state residents — and to the Democratic senator trying to hold onto his seat in one of the country’s most expensive elections.

Health-care premiums will decline about 2 percent next year, Beebe (D) wrote in a statement Wednesday.

Exclusive: many New Mexicans will pay less for health insurance next year

Individual health insurance premiums in New Mexico will drop by an average of 1 to 2 percent in 2015 for those who buy on the state’s health insurance exchange, New Mexico Superintendent of Insurance John Franchini said Wednesday.

Health exchange premiums will drop

Aug. 27--TUPELO -- Many Northeast Mississippians shopping for insurance on healthcare.gov will see lower premiums for 2015.

Premiums for Magnolia Health, which offers the only plans available for Northeast Mississippi counties except for Alcorn and Tishomingo, are expected to go down by about 25 percent, according to a report in the Mississippi Business Journal.

After rate hike rejected, Anthem to decrease premiums next year

Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield’s individual-market customers will, on average, see a slight decrease in their premiums next year under new rates approved by the Connecticut Insurance Department.

2015 health insurance premiums on Obamacare exchanges won’t increase much

HELENA – Prices for 2015 health insurance policies sold on Montana’s federal online “marketplace” will increase only 1.35 percent, on average, state Auditor Monica Lindeen said Wednesday.

Connector health plans for 2015 will rise by 1.6%

People shopping for health insurance through the state this fall will find a selection of plans that, for many, will cost little more — and sometimes even less — than in the current year.

The price of plans on the Massachusetts Health Connector will increase an average of 1.6 percent in 2015.

90 health plans approved for 2015 Exchange

OLYMPIA, Wash. - The Office of the Insurance Commissioner has approved 10 health insurers to sell 90 individual health plans inside Washington’s Exchange, Washington Healthplanfinder next year. The overall approved average rate change is just 1.9 percent, significantly lower than the Exchange insurers’ original request of 8.6 percent.

Premiums for Obamacare plans in Maine dip or remain flat for 2015

Maine Community Health Options will raise rates on a single plan, with relatively low membership, by just under 1 percent, according to Lewis. The monthly premium for the startup insurer’s best-selling plan will fall by about half a percentage point, he said.

The other insurer that sold plans through Healthcare.gov in the state this year, Anthem Health Plans of Maine, will reduce premium costs by 1.1 percent on average.

Colorado health insurance premiums to rise 3.4% next year

Colorado insurance premiums may rise by 3.4 percent, with an average insurance premium of $411 a month, according to PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP's preliminary analysis of individual market rate filings.

Obamacare rate hikes in California to average 4% in 2015

Despite concerns that insurance rates would skyrocket by 20% to 30% in year two of the Affordable Care Act, officials supervising the nation’s biggest market for health coverage said Thursday California will see premiums climb by an average of just over 4% for 2015.

More Indiana options coming on insurance exchange | 2014-08-29 | Indianapolis Business Journal

Indiana residents will have more than triple the number of health insurance plans to choose from when the federal insurance exchange enrollment period starts in November, according to a state official. . .

Korty said a 5-percent average increase in exchange premiums is expected on Indiana policies.

Md. approves smaller rate hikes for CareFirst, lowers rates for 3 others

Maryland officials approved final insurance rates Friday for consumers buying individual health plans next year under the federal health-care law. Regulators cut proposed premiums by more than half for CareFirst, the region’s dominant insurance company, and approved lower rates for three other carriers.

OHIC Approves Commercial Health Insurance Rates for 2015

Today, Health Insurance Commissioner Kathleen C Hittner, MD announced her final decision to approve lower premium increases than requested by most insurers for individuals,and small and large employers that purchase their coverage through Blue Cross Blue Shield of Rhode Island (BCBSRI), Neighborhood Health Plan of Rhode Island (NHPRI), Tufts Health Plan (Tufts) and UnitedHealthcare (United).

New York's Obamacare rates will rise an average of 5.7% for its second year

Rates for individual insurance plans in New York will rise an average of 5.7% in the second year of Obamacare, the state Department of Financial Services reported Thursday.

Utah Health Premiums to Increase 5.7 Percent

State assistance insurance commissioner Tanji (TAN-jee) Northrup says premium rates increase every year along with healthcare costs. She says preliminary estimates show that premium rates for individuals will go up by about 5.7 percent on average. That’s compared to an estimated national increase of 7 percent.

“As usual, Utah trends on increases in health insurance premium rates are lower than national average. They’re also lower than probably what we have seen in past years,” Northrup says

Obamacare's silver lining: Price drop for key plans

Prices for benchmark Obamacare insurance "silver" plans are set to drop an average of 0.8 percent next year in 16 major cities—while the lowest-cost "bronze" plans in those areas are looking at a 3.3 percent rise, a new analysis released Friday found.

You work for Obama, don't you.

That explains it.



.Year *NHE Increase


2001 1493


2002 1638 9.7%


2003 1775 8.3%


2004 1901 7.0%


2005 2030 6.7%


2006 2163 6.5%


2007 2298 6.2%


2008 2406 4.6%


2009 2501 3.9%


2010 2600 3.9%


2011 2700 3.8%


*National Health Expenditures, in $ billions.

http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statist...NationalHealthExpendData/Downloads/tables.pdf

 

[TemplarKormac]

Funny, I seem to recall a 10% rise in healthcare spending in the first quarter of this year:

Health Costs Resume Their Rise - Forbes

Yeah, that didn't actually happen.


Health spending actually fell while Obamacare insured Americans

The BEA initially estimated that health care spending climbed 9.1 percent in the first quarter of 2014 — a potentially worrisome increase. The agency released their second revision of that number today: now they believe that health care spending has fallen by 1.4 percent.

That means health care spending went down while the number of Americans with insurance may have gone up. According to the Altarum Institute, this marks the largest decline in health care services spending since the first quarter of 1982. . .

This revision is precisely what we would expect, based on the Census's Quarterly Services Survey released on June 11. This survey — which collects industry information like hospital revenue, inpatient days and discharges — provided the data that the BEA used to revise its numbers.

Now that the data are in, they show that health spending actually declined in the first three months of 2014 relative to the end of 2013. That means the slowdown in health spending is continuing, though it's hard to pin down exactly what's driving it.

Hate to burst your bubble, buddy. It's a slowdown, not a decline. It kept rising, if at a slower rate. Though it is expected to rise 5.6% this year.

Health care spending growth is slow but rising

However, healthcare spending is expected to explode over the next seven years, by 2023 it could consume nearly 1/4 of the sum total of US spending:

Report Health Care Spending Growth Expected To Rise in 2014 - California Healthline

 

[Greenbeard]

Hate to burst your bubble, buddy. It's a slowdown, not a decline. It kept rising, if at a slower rate. Though it is expected to rise 5.6% this year.

Health care spending growth is slow but rising

However, healthcare spending is expected to explode over the next seven years, by 2023 it could consume nearly 1/4 of the sum total of US spending:

Report Health Care Spending Growth Expected To Rise in 2014 - California Healthline

In general, health care spending growth since the ACA passed has been the lowest on record, yes. But in the quarter you referenced, spending actually fell. The BEA guessed in advance that spending growth in the first quarter was going to jump more than 9% (which is apparently where you stopped paying attention); when the actual data came out a month later their guess proved to very, very wrong. Health spending fell by 1.4% in the first quarter of this year--something that hasn't happened in over 30 years. By the second quarter it was growing again but only at 0.5%.

As for health spending "exploding," even if the CMS projections of 5.7% growth are correct, that's well below the historical average over the last 50 years. All that in spite of the fact that somewhere around 10 million just joined the ranks of the insured and millions more will over the next several months. I can't tell from your post whether you realize the estimate that came out earlier this month were good news.

Obamacare Effect Linked to Lower Medical Cost Estimates

Estimates of U.S. health-care spending for the next five years have been lowered by two federal agencies, and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is getting much of the credit.

U.S. health spending in 2019 will be $4 trillion, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said this week, or $500 billion less than the agency projected in 2010 when President Barack Obama’s health-care overhaul became law. That announcement followed by a week a report from the Congressional Budget Office lowering its five-year cost estimates.

Obamacare has been criticized by Republicans as costly and unsustainable. Now, four years after its arrival, the law’s mandated program cuts and the medical practices it encourages -- limiting unneeded procedures, and keeping people out of the hospital longer -- are cited by economists as key ingredients in trimming the nation’s medical bill. While the recession has had an influence on the cost slowdown, it doesn’t explain it all, according to policy analysts and the CBO.

That said, the CMS projections for this year seem a little high based on the monthly budget reports CBO puts out (they are, after all, more apt to overestimate health spending than to underestimate it). But I guess we'll see.

We have a population that's rapidly aging into Medicare, yet the federal health spending picture has done nothing but improve since the ACA passed.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Those were only estimates and projections. You really need to show me solid factual evidence that Obamacare drove down healthcare spending. But I estimate you will do no such thing. I project you will continue being a mouthpiece for the healthcare law that was responsible for the cancellation of nearly 6 million policies.

The chart on the bottom indicates an 8.0% rise in healthcare spending. Nowhere does it say it will drive down the cost. You really need to quit spinning those charts buddy!

 

[TemplarKormac]

One other thing those statistics only measure personal consumption, not overall consumption. How clever.

Obamacare Spending In GDP Report - Business Insider

Also, I am not amused by your attempts to mislead others:

 

[Greenbeard]

Those were only estimates and projections. You really need to show me solid factual evidence that Obamacare drove down healthcare spending. But I estimate you will do no such thing. I project you will continue being a mouthpiece for the healthcare law that was responsible for the cancellation of nearly 6 million policies.

If the worst case scenario is that health spending growth just happens to be hitting historic lows--even dipping negative in some quarters--at the same time the ACA is building competitive insurance markets, newly insuring millions, and reforming the health care delivery system to deliver higher quality care: I can live with that.

The evidence is pretty clear at this point that structural change in the health system is taking root and playing a significant role in the spending slowdown and, as we know, that's the goal of the payment reform incentives in the law. But hey, maybe it's all a crazy coincidence. And a well-timed one!

The chart on the bottom indicates an 8.0% rise in healthcare spending. Nowhere does it say it will drive down the cost. You really need to quit spinning those charts buddy!

...no, it doesn't "indicate an 8.0% rise in healthcare spending." That's a graph of federal health spending as a percentage of GDP over the next 25 years, as driven primarily by Medicare and Medicaid (and now, in the era of the ACA, private insurance premium tax credits). That number has dropped, despite the fact that we still have an aging population swelling Medicare's rolls, millions more eligible for state Medicaid programs at the expense almost entirely of the federal government, and the creation of affordability tax credits for private insurance products.

Despite all that, federal spending projections have dropped substantially and will be a smaller share of the economy than expected even before the ACA (and its new federal health spending) even passed.

 

[Greenbeard]

Obamacare Spending In GDP Report - Business Insider

Also, I am not amused by your attempts to mislead others:

Holy Christ. You're digging back to articles from April that rely entire on the BEA's advance estimate of health spending growth. Which was shown only a few weeks later to have been massively wrong.

In fairness, I don't think you're trying to mislead anyone. I think you genuinely don't get this.

I don't really know how many more times I can explain this to you or link you to the BEA's numbers showing a 1.4% decline in health spending in Q1. So believe whatever is convenient for you, it really doesn't matter.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Those were only estimates and projections. You really need to show me solid factual evidence that Obamacare drove down healthcare spending. But I estimate you will do no such thing. I project you will continue being a mouthpiece for the healthcare law that was responsible for the cancellation of nearly 6 million policies.

If the worst case scenario is that health spending growth just happens to be hitting historic lows--even dipping negative in some quarters--at the same time the ACA is building competitive insurance markets, newly insuring millions, and reforming the health care delivery system to delivery higher quality care: I can live with that.

The evidence is pretty clear at this point that structural change in the health system is taking root and playing a significant role in the spending slowdown and, as we know, that's the goal of the payment reform incentives in the law. But hey, maybe it's all a crazy coincidence. And a well-timed one!

The chart on the bottom indicates an 8.0% rise in healthcare spending. Nowhere does it say it will drive down the cost. You really need to quit spinning those charts buddy!

...no, it doesn't "indicate an 8.0% rise in healthcare spending." That's a graph of federal health spending as a percentage of GDP over the next 25 years, as driven primarily by Medicare and Medicaid (and now, in the era of the ACA, private insurance premium tax credits). That number has dropped, despite the fact that we still have an aging population swelling Medicare's rolls, millions more eligible for state Medicaid programs at the expense almost entirely of the federal government, and the creation of affordability tax credits for private insurance products.

Despite all that, federal spending projections have dropped substantially and will be a smaller share of the economy than expected even before the ACA (and its new federal health spending) even passed.

The partisan right isn't going to acknowledge the possibility that the ACA is having a positive effect on healthcare costs as well as providing access to affordable healthcare for millions of Americans, regardless the evidence.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yawn, inconsequential bullshit. First you say the GOP wouldnt negotiate with the Dems. Now you want to say the Dems included GOP proposals in Ocare.
The bottom line is not a single member of the GOP voted for it because they werent consulted.

Translation: you are confronted with FACTS that your dogma won't allow...roll out the right wing "yawn"

Republicans WERE consulted. And Obama tried very hard to include them in the debate. But Republicans LIED and used fear-mongering to destroy health care reform. I recall Senator Chuck Grassley standing before cameras promising the American people he would work with Max Baucus as co-chair of the Senate Committee on Finance to craft a bipartisan bill. THEN, he went home to Iowa and ignorantly claimed the bill would "pull the plug on grandma"

For God sakes man, former Bush speechwriter David Frum was fired by the American Enterprise Institute for revealing the TRUTH:

"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994."

THEN, we find out from Bruce Bartlett that AEI "scholars" had been ordered not to speak to the media on the subject of health care reform because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

David Frum speaks for Republicans? Getouttatown.
Youre a complete failure. You can't make a coherent argument and defend it to save your life. You throw crap out there that is only tangential to the argument and claim it proves your argument. It does not such thing. You are a waste of bandwidth.

Translation. You have NOTHING, so try to make the yawn bigger. David Frum speaks the truth. You just don't want to hear it. How MANY examples do you need?

One example would be OK. But you can't find one. Because you cant find your ass with both hands.