Obama has increased government spending less than any president in at least a generation.

[bgr39]

national debt when obama took over --------------- 10T
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T

nothing more needs to be said. Obama will have increased the national debt more than all previous presidents COMBINED.

actually more needs to be said ... you sound like a broken record
when obama took over ---------------(BR) 10T in total agreement here ...
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
(BR)your implication here is one sided.... without any factual information here... the real question here is who caused the debt and how did it happen.... you refused to accept how we got to this 18 to 20 trillion dollars of debt ... we have asked you the question time and time again... what bill or bills did Obama sign into law that has caused the 10 trillion dollars of debt .... you haven't been able to show us one bill that Obama has sign that caused this debt that you're claiming Obana caused.... we have time and time again shown you many bills that the Bush administration passed and was passed on to the Obama administration ... your response was the typical was, OH you libs always want to blame it on Bush ... that's all you libs do is blame it on someone else ... that's all you can do ... and yet you can't show one bill that Obama passed that caused any of this debt .... neither can the CBO of this country show us any bills that Obama passed to cause this debt... so I would say to you, why don't you contact the CBO of this country and give them your words of wisdom ... they need a good laugh too...
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T (BR) not in disagreement here either ...so how did we get here ??? can ya give us a credible answer ??? redfish

OK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.

His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.

He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.

never said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statement

Generally, the current President signs the budget for the next year I.E. The incoming has his first budget already signed and in place and functioning when he comes into the White House.
In the case of Bush-Obama transsition, Harry Reid refused to send a 2009 budget the President GW Bush to sign into law for the year 2009.
Harry Reid wanted NO restrictions on Obama's spending spree.
THAT is one of the times in history that the incoming Presiden have NO budget to interfer with his spending, the first year of his Presidency.
Therefore, Obama is responsible for the money spent in his first year as President.
The $1.4 Trillion deficit spent in 2009 is on Obama's "credit-card".

the 2009 budget is passed by the previous president ....the 2010 budget was passed by obama to run the country for some reason you feel that passing a budget for 1.4 trillion dollars cause a 1.4 trillion dollar debt ... it doesn't... the time the budget that becomes a deficit is when the government spends over that 1.4 trillion dollars ... until then that 1.4 trillion dollars isn't a debt ...

Harry Reid NEVER sent a 2009 budget to President GW Bush to sign into law.
The money that Obama/Reid/Pelosi spent in 2009 is on their (Obama/Reid/Pelosi) tab, NOT President GW Bush, who NEVER signed a 2009 budget into law.

 

[billyerock1991]

Obama as Senator in that filthy Democrat controlled Congress elected in 2006 voted for the big increases in 2007 and 2008.

And signed it in 2009

still laughing

So turns out when you said you hold presidents accountable for what they sign, that was a lie.

And counting all of Iraq and Afghanistan to W is just stupid. Obama continued his policy and actually expanded Afghanistan.

do you make it up as you go??? just curious

 

[kaz]

any debt that is sign into law by a president that causes debt is that presidents responsibility ...not the next president ... I made that clear on a previous post if you're paying attention...that's why I've said that obama has spent less then any president to date and the CBO of this country agrees with my statement here not yours ...

So then why aren't you counting the second TARP bill and Obama's military spending?

really you want to go their ??? ok Under Bush the tarp bill was passed by Bush ... under Obama he added to that bill for it to be paid back ... explain to us here how paying back borrowed money and getting interest becomes a debt??? still laughing at you .... according to the CBO and the government that money has been paid back with interest ... so again I ask you what bill or bills did obama sign into law that has caused 10 trillion dollars of debt I'll wait

So that's all Obama signed, that the money was to be paid back? That's all he signed? The money is to be paid back? And Obama carrying on a war for FIVE years beyond W doesn't make him responsible for any of the bills?

You haven't answered the question, the kool-aid, does it give you a buzz or just numb your sensations?

 

[billyerock1991]

actually more needs to be said ... you sound like a broken record
when obama took over ---------------(BR) 10T in total agreement here ...
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
(BR)your implication here is one sided.... without any factual information here... the real question here is who caused the debt and how did it happen.... you refused to accept how we got to this 18 to 20 trillion dollars of debt ... we have asked you the question time and time again... what bill or bills did Obama sign into law that has caused the 10 trillion dollars of debt .... you haven't been able to show us one bill that Obama has sign that caused this debt that you're claiming Obana caused.... we have time and time again shown you many bills that the Bush administration passed and was passed on to the Obama administration ... your response was the typical was, OH you libs always want to blame it on Bush ... that's all you libs do is blame it on someone else ... that's all you can do ... and yet you can't show one bill that Obama passed that caused any of this debt .... neither can the CBO of this country show us any bills that Obama passed to cause this debt... so I would say to you, why don't you contact the CBO of this country and give them your words of wisdom ... they need a good laugh too...
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T (BR) not in disagreement here either ...so how did we get here ??? can ya give us a credible answer ??? redfish

OK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.

His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.

He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.

never said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statement

Generally, the current President signs the budget for the next year I.E. The incoming has his first budget already signed and in place and functioning when he comes into the White House.
In the case of Bush-Obama transsition, Harry Reid refused to send a 2009 budget the President GW Bush to sign into law for the year 2009.
Harry Reid wanted NO restrictions on Obama's spending spree.
THAT is one of the times in history that the incoming Presiden have NO budget to interfer with his spending, the first year of his Presidency.
Therefore, Obama is responsible for the money spent in his first year as President.
The $1.4 Trillion deficit spent in 2009 is on Obama's "credit-card".

the 2009 budget is passed by the previous president ....the 2010 budget was passed by obama to run the country for some reason you feel that passing a budget for 1.4 trillion dollars cause a 1.4 trillion dollar debt ... it doesn't... the time the budget that becomes a deficit is when the government spends over that 1.4 trillion dollars ... until then that 1.4 trillion dollars isn't a debt ...

Harry Reid NEVER sent a 2009 budget to President GW Bush to sign into law.
The money that Obama/Reid/Pelosi spent in 2009 is on their (Obama/Reid/Pelosi) tab, NOT President GW Bush, who NEVER signed a 2009 budget into law.

that was due to republicans threating to filibuster it I guess you forgot all those government shut downs over the budget getting passed threats

 

[kaz]

OK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.

His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.

He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.

never said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statement

Generally, the current President signs the budget for the next year I.E. The incoming has his first budget already signed and in place and functioning when he comes into the White House.
In the case of Bush-Obama transsition, Harry Reid refused to send a 2009 budget the President GW Bush to sign into law for the year 2009.
Harry Reid wanted NO restrictions on Obama's spending spree.
THAT is one of the times in history that the incoming Presiden have NO budget to interfer with his spending, the first year of his Presidency.
Therefore, Obama is responsible for the money spent in his first year as President.
The $1.4 Trillion deficit spent in 2009 is on Obama's "credit-card".

the 2009 budget is passed by the previous president ....the 2010 budget was passed by obama to run the country for some reason you feel that passing a budget for 1.4 trillion dollars cause a 1.4 trillion dollar debt ... it doesn't... the time the budget that becomes a deficit is when the government spends over that 1.4 trillion dollars ... until then that 1.4 trillion dollars isn't a debt ...

Harry Reid NEVER sent a 2009 budget to President GW Bush to sign into law.
The money that Obama/Reid/Pelosi spent in 2009 is on their (Obama/Reid/Pelosi) tab, NOT President GW Bush, who NEVER signed a 2009 budget into law.

that was due to republicans threating to filibuster it I guess you forgot all those government shut downs over the budget getting passed threats

Liberal politicians are Gods to you, what they say is to be memorized and repeated.

 

[kaz]

So turns out when you said you hold presidents accountable for what they sign, that was a lie.

And counting all of Iraq and Afghanistan to W is just stupid. Obama continued his policy and actually expanded Afghanistan.

do you make it up as you go??? just curious

The war was in the news, think hard, you may remember it. I know you don't make it up, every time you say anything Harry Reid's lips move.

 

[RKMBrown]

... in no way did Obama cause the country to double by anything he has done... all the debt came from the bush administration

If I were a Federal Prosecutor, I would take that one statement from that jackass, and use it to have them committed, locked down and secured from ever being able to utter another word in public.

At some point this nonsense has got to stop. There is no right to profess falsity. PERIOD.

But I don't see any chance that any prosecutor is going to do so... So we'll just have to let nature take its course and deal with it once "OPEN SEASON" is declared on this lunatics.

denial is your best argument ... we asked you to show us one bill that obama signed into law that caused this huge debt ...

obamaScare... massive government takeover of 1/6th of the US Economy... ADDING TRILLIONS IN OPERATING EXPENSES to the US Federal government... He signed that.

Which it should be noted was passed EXCLUSIVELY BY THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT... without so much as a single vote from a singe Republican, including our own in-house socialists. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE, with ONE obama signature. Are you telling me that no one has bothered to mention THAT 900lb Gorilla sitting there in the middle of the room?

However, NONE of that is relevant to the discussion of obama and his spending.

FACT: obama has spent MORE MONEY IN DEFICIT , creating more federal debt, than EVERY PRESIDENT WHICH CAME BEFORE HIM...

He has spend more money in SIX YEARS in DEFICIT than the US SPENT FIGHTING EVERY WAR IN THE 20th CENTURY, including WW1, WW2, KOREA, VIETNAM, THE First GULF WAR AND THE DECADES LONG US GWOT, TO PRESENT.

And that's not even a remotely debatable point.

Yet there the idiots are tryin' to DEBATE IT.

And THIS despite obama comin' to power claiming that 150 billion a year in Average Bush annual deficits was IMMORAL!

Reagan spent triple in deficit what every president before him spent. And that was while significantly raising the deficit, not reducing it. You can't ignore this point just because you don't understand percentages.

No, I agree with that.

Here's my problem.... who in government controls how much is spent? Congress. Do you not understand this? Congress controls the budget. Not the president.

You do understand that Reagan's Tax cuts resulted in the tax revenues of the 1980s, to double, even while tax rates were cut in half.... right?

So Reagan's tax policy wasn't the problem.

The problem was over spending. In 1982, Reagan and the Congress (both Republican and Democrat), agreed to close tax deductions, thereby increasing tax revenue, while at the same time, they agreed to cut spending.

The problem is, spending increased, when they said they would cut spending.

If you take a look at Ronald Reagan's proposed budgets, and compare them to actual spending, the Democrats in Congress over-spent Reagan's budget every single time.

US Federal Budget Spending Estimate vs. Actual for FY1986 - Charts

You can punch around, and look at the Estimated Budget given by Ronald Reagan, and the Actual spending done by Congress.


Year - Federal Budget - Actual Spending by Congress.

1986 - $973B - $990B
1987 - $994B - $1,004B
1988 - $1,024B - $1,064B
1989 - $1,094B - $1,143B
1990 - $1,151B - $1,253B

I wish I could get the 81 through 85 proposed budgets, and compare them to the actual spending, but clearly you can see the pattern. The congress over spent the Reagan proposed budget year after year after year.

Compare that to the 90s.

1994 - $1,515B - $1,461B
1995 - $1,518B - $1,515B
1996 - $1,612B - $1,560B
1997 - $1,635B - $1,601B
1998 - $1,687B - $1,652B
1999 - $1,733B - $1,701B

See the pattern? Congress.... Not Bill Clinton.... Congress under cut Bill Clinton's budget year over year. Just as Congress, not Reagan, over spent Reagan's budget year over year.

And whether you like it or not, the congress for most of Reagan's 2 terms, were Democrat, and for most of Clinton's two terms, were Republican.

The only thing the president can do, is propose a budget. Congress ultimately, is who determines what is spent.

Fact is, Clinton up till about 97, or 98, never even proposed a balanced budget. If you look at the budgets he proposed from 1993 to 1996, he had no intention of ever having anything less than $200B deficits for the next 20 years. If not for Congress cutting his bloated budgets, we never would have even gotten close to a balanced budget.

Democrats scream and cry for government to spend more money, then take credit for republicans cutting budgets. Democrats are spoiled crybabies and liars.

 

[billyerock1991]

any debt that is sign into law by a president that causes debt is that presidents responsibility ...not the next president ... I made that clear on a previous post if you're paying attention...that's why I've said that obama has spent less then any president to date and the CBO of this country agrees with my statement here not yours ...

So then why aren't you counting the second TARP bill and Obama's military spending?

really you want to go their ??? ok Under Bush the tarp bill was passed by Bush ... under Obama he added to that bill for it to be paid back ... explain to us here how paying back borrowed money and getting interest becomes a debt??? still laughing at you .... according to the CBO and the government that money has been paid back with interest ... so again I ask you what bill or bills did obama sign into law that has caused 10 trillion dollars of debt I'll wait

So that's all Obama signed, that the money was to be paid back? That's all he signed? The money is to be paid back? And Obama carrying on a war for FIVE years beyond W doesn't make him responsible for any of the bills?

You haven't answered the question, the kool-aid, does it give you a buzz or just numb your sensations?

if any one brain is numb that would be yours... if you want to look stupid fine I can't stop ya its a free country ...the bill made sure it gets paid back. ... there were lots of regulation that was in the bill .... regulations republicans left out... or did you forget that or is that section of your brain close ... the tarp bill was all paid back ... thats is something you can't say didn't happen... so keep making a fool of yourself

 

[billyerock1991]

So turns out when you said you hold presidents accountable for what they sign, that was a lie.

And counting all of Iraq and Afghanistan to W is just stupid. Obama continued his policy and actually expanded Afghanistan.

do you make it up as you go??? just curious

The war was in the news, think hard, you may remember it. I know you don't make it up, every time you say anything Harry Reid's lips move.

you're just plain clueless ...its quit obvious you drank way to much koolaid

 

[billyerock1991]

If I were a Federal Prosecutor, I would take that one statement from that jackass, and use it to have them committed, locked down and secured from ever being able to utter another word in public.

At some point this nonsense has got to stop. There is no right to profess falsity. PERIOD.

But I don't see any chance that any prosecutor is going to do so... So we'll just have to let nature take its course and deal with it once "OPEN SEASON" is declared on this lunatics.

denial is your best argument ... we asked you to show us one bill that obama signed into law that caused this huge debt ...

obamaScare... massive government takeover of 1/6th of the US Economy... ADDING TRILLIONS IN OPERATING EXPENSES to the US Federal government... He signed that.

Which it should be noted was passed EXCLUSIVELY BY THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT... without so much as a single vote from a singe Republican, including our own in-house socialists. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE, with ONE obama signature. Are you telling me that no one has bothered to mention THAT 900lb Gorilla sitting there in the middle of the room?

However, NONE of that is relevant to the discussion of obama and his spending.

FACT: obama has spent MORE MONEY IN DEFICIT , creating more federal debt, than EVERY PRESIDENT WHICH CAME BEFORE HIM...

He has spend more money in SIX YEARS in DEFICIT than the US SPENT FIGHTING EVERY WAR IN THE 20th CENTURY, including WW1, WW2, KOREA, VIETNAM, THE First GULF WAR AND THE DECADES LONG US GWOT, TO PRESENT.

And that's not even a remotely debatable point.

Yet there the idiots are tryin' to DEBATE IT.

And THIS despite obama comin' to power claiming that 150 billion a year in Average Bush annual deficits was IMMORAL!

Reagan spent triple in deficit what every president before him spent. And that was while significantly raising the deficit, not reducing it. You can't ignore this point just because you don't understand percentages.

No, I agree with that.

Here's my problem.... who in government controls how much is spent? Congress. Do you not understand this? Congress controls the budget. Not the president.

You do understand that Reagan's Tax cuts resulted in the tax revenues of the 1980s, to double, even while tax rates were cut in half.... right?

So Reagan's tax policy wasn't the problem.

The problem was over spending. In 1982, Reagan and the Congress (both Republican and Democrat), agreed to close tax deductions, thereby increasing tax revenue, while at the same time, they agreed to cut spending.

The problem is, spending increased, when they said they would cut spending.

If you take a look at Ronald Reagan's proposed budgets, and compare them to actual spending, the Democrats in Congress over-spent Reagan's budget every single time.

US Federal Budget Spending Estimate vs. Actual for FY1986 - Charts

You can punch around, and look at the Estimated Budget given by Ronald Reagan, and the Actual spending done by Congress.


Year - Federal Budget - Actual Spending by Congress.

1986 - $973B - $990B
1987 - $994B - $1,004B
1988 - $1,024B - $1,064B
1989 - $1,094B - $1,143B
1990 - $1,151B - $1,253B

I wish I could get the 81 through 85 proposed budgets, and compare them to the actual spending, but clearly you can see the pattern. The congress over spent the Reagan proposed budget year after year after year.

Compare that to the 90s.

1994 - $1,515B - $1,461B
1995 - $1,518B - $1,515B
1996 - $1,612B - $1,560B
1997 - $1,635B - $1,601B
1998 - $1,687B - $1,652B
1999 - $1,733B - $1,701B

See the pattern? Congress.... Not Bill Clinton.... Congress under cut Bill Clinton's budget year over year. Just as Congress, not Reagan, over spent Reagan's budget year over year.

And whether you like it or not, the congress for most of Reagan's 2 terms, were Democrat, and for most of Clinton's two terms, were Republican.

The only thing the president can do, is propose a budget. Congress ultimately, is who determines what is spent.

Fact is, Clinton up till about 97, or 98, never even proposed a balanced budget. If you look at the budgets he proposed from 1993 to 1996, he had no intention of ever having anything less than $200B deficits for the next 20 years. If not for Congress cutting his bloated budgets, we never would have even gotten close to a balanced budget.

Democrats scream and cry for government to spend more money, then take credit for republicans cutting budgets. Democrats are spoiled crybabies and liars.

come back when you have a clue in what you're talking about

 

[billyerock1991]

any debt that is sign into law by a president that causes debt is that presidents responsibility ...not the next president ... I made that clear on a previous post if you're paying attention...that's why I've said that obama has spent less then any president to date and the CBO of this country agrees with my statement here not yours ...

So then why aren't you counting the second TARP bill and Obama's military spending?

really you want to go their ??? ok Under Bush the tarp bill was passed by Bush ... under Obama he added to that bill for it to be paid back ... explain to us here how paying back borrowed money and getting interest becomes a debt??? still laughing at you .... according to the CBO and the government that money has been paid back with interest ... so again I ask you what bill or bills did obama sign into law that has caused 10 trillion dollars of debt I'll wait

So that's all Obama signed, that the money was to be paid back? That's all he signed? The money is to be paid back? And Obama carrying on a war for FIVE years beyond W doesn't make him responsible for any of the bills?

You haven't answered the question, the kool-aid, does it give you a buzz or just numb your sensations?

P.S
so are you saying none of the tarp money was paid back ...is this your statement here ??? because I did list ever regulation in the bill you want us to believe I've drank too much koolaid to believe the tarp bill was paid back ...is this your contention here??? or are you just spewing right wing nut job non-sense

 

[kaz]

Fact is, Clinton up till about 97, or 98, never even proposed a balanced budget. If you look at the budgets he proposed from 1993 to 1996, he had no intention of ever having anything less than $200B deficits for the next 20 years. If not for Congress cutting his bloated budgets, we never would have even gotten close to a balanced budget.

Democrats scream and cry for government to spend more money, then take credit for republicans cutting budgets. Democrats are spoiled crybabies and liars.

Democrats say the war was over oil, then they oppose domestic exploration and whine about high gas prices.

They demand jobs then take more money away from the people who provide them.

They say paying taxes is patriotic while they demonize the people who pay them.

They attack the American Koch brothers for buying American elections while they support foreign George Soros buying American elections and are good with the Chinese buying Gore.

They attack Republicans for cheating on their taxes when they take deductions while they excuse Rangle and Daschle and other Democrats for tax fraud.

They call anyone who doesn't want to let any foreigner walk across our border to take a job from an American xenophobic while demanding we not let companies offshore any job to any foreigner to keep their prices competitive

Democrats never set a standard they hold themselves to.

 

[kaz]

any debt that is sign into law by a president that causes debt is that presidents responsibility ...not the next president ... I made that clear on a previous post if you're paying attention...that's why I've said that obama has spent less then any president to date and the CBO of this country agrees with my statement here not yours ...

So then why aren't you counting the second TARP bill and Obama's military spending?

really you want to go their ??? ok Under Bush the tarp bill was passed by Bush ... under Obama he added to that bill for it to be paid back ... explain to us here how paying back borrowed money and getting interest becomes a debt??? still laughing at you .... according to the CBO and the government that money has been paid back with interest ... so again I ask you what bill or bills did obama sign into law that has caused 10 trillion dollars of debt I'll wait

So that's all Obama signed, that the money was to be paid back? That's all he signed? The money is to be paid back? And Obama carrying on a war for FIVE years beyond W doesn't make him responsible for any of the bills?

You haven't answered the question, the kool-aid, does it give you a buzz or just numb your sensations?

P.S
so are you saying none of the tarp money was paid back ...is this your statement here ??? because I did list ever regulation in the bill you want us to believe I've drank too much koolaid to believe the tarp bill was paid back ...is this your contention here??? or are you just spewing right wing nut job non-sense

Where did I say "none" of it was paid back? Typical liberal, you take every statement, take it to the complete extreme then debate that strawman.

So you're saying Obama spent no money? He hasn't spent a dime since he became President, just paid down debt?

You don't even get it, do you?

 

[Redfish]

Fact is, Clinton up till about 97, or 98, never even proposed a balanced budget. If you look at the budgets he proposed from 1993 to 1996, he had no intention of ever having anything less than $200B deficits for the next 20 years. If not for Congress cutting his bloated budgets, we never would have even gotten close to a balanced budget.

Democrats scream and cry for government to spend more money, then take credit for republicans cutting budgets. Democrats are spoiled crybabies and liars.

Democrats say the war was over oil, then they oppose domestic exploration and whine about high gas prices.

They demand jobs then take more money away from the people who provide them.

They say paying taxes is patriotic while they demonize the people who pay them.

They attack the American Koch brothers for buying American elections while they support foreign George Soros buying American elections and are good with the Chinese buying Gore.

They attack Republicans for cheating on their taxes when they take deductions while they excuse Rangle and Daschle and other Democrats for tax fraud.

They call anyone who doesn't want to let any foreigner walk across our border to take a job from an American xenophobic while demanding we not let companies offshore any job to any foreigner to keep their prices competitive

Democrats never set a standard they hold themselves to.

nice summary. liberalism is a mental disorder, there is no other explanation

 

[billyerock1991]

Fact is, Clinton up till about 97, or 98, never even proposed a balanced budget. If you look at the budgets he proposed from 1993 to 1996, he had no intention of ever having anything less than $200B deficits for the next 20 years. If not for Congress cutting his bloated budgets, we never would have even gotten close to a balanced budget.

Democrats scream and cry for government to spend more money, then take credit for republicans cutting budgets. Democrats are spoiled crybabies and liars.

Democrats say the war was over oil, then they oppose domestic exploration and whine about high gas prices.

They demand jobs then take more money away from the people who provide them.

They say paying taxes is patriotic while they demonize the people who pay them.

They attack the American Koch brothers for buying American elections while they support foreign George Soros buying American elections and are good with the Chinese buying Gore.

They attack Republicans for cheating on their taxes when they take deductions while they excuse Rangle and Daschle and other Democrats for tax fraud.

They call anyone who doesn't want to let any foreigner walk across our border to take a job from an American xenophobic while demanding we not let companies offshore any job to any foreigner to keep their prices competitive

Democrats never set a standard they hold themselves to.

could you stay on topic which is Obama has spent less then any president to date ....not here to debate what you think dems are

 

[kaz]

any debt that is sign into law by a president that causes debt is that presidents responsibility ...not the next president ... I made that clear on a previous post if you're paying attention...that's why I've said that obama has spent less then any president to date and the CBO of this country agrees with my statement here not yours ...

So then why aren't you counting the second TARP bill and Obama's military spending?

really you want to go their ??? ok Under Bush the tarp bill was passed by Bush ... under Obama he added to that bill for it to be paid back ... explain to us here how paying back borrowed money and getting interest becomes a debt??? still laughing at you .... according to the CBO and the government that money has been paid back with interest ... so again I ask you what bill or bills did obama sign into law that has caused 10 trillion dollars of debt I'll wait

So that's all Obama signed, that the money was to be paid back? That's all he signed? The money is to be paid back? And Obama carrying on a war for FIVE years beyond W doesn't make him responsible for any of the bills?

You haven't answered the question, the kool-aid, does it give you a buzz or just numb your sensations?

if any one brain is numb that would be yours... if you want to look stupid fine I can't stop ya its a free country ...the bill made sure it gets paid back. ... there were lots of regulation that was in the bill .... regulations republicans left out... or did you forget that or is that section of your brain close ... the tarp bill was all paid back ... thats is something you can't say didn't happen... so keep making a fool of yourself

Wow, not blindly believing and parroting Democratic politicians like you and doing my research on the DNC website, that is dumb, isn't it?

 

[kaz]

So turns out when you said you hold presidents accountable for what they sign, that was a lie.

And counting all of Iraq and Afghanistan to W is just stupid. Obama continued his policy and actually expanded Afghanistan.

do you make it up as you go??? just curious

The war was in the news, think hard, you may remember it. I know you don't make it up, every time you say anything Harry Reid's lips move.

you're just plain clueless ...its quit obvious you drank way to much koolaid

LOL, there is no clearer way to say you've got nothing than to just repeat my lines back to me...

 

[bgr39]

you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?

Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.

no its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it... what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt ... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debt

The President is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces of the USA.
The President can add of subtract our military forces.
President Obama COULD'VE withdrawn all our forces whenever he wanted to, as he did in Iraq on HIS time-table.
Instead, Obama CHOSE to continue BOTH wars.
Obama actually ramped-up the war in Afghanistan.
Obama COULD'VE started withdrawing our troops from BOTH wars the day he became President, and stated that "ALL OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM TODAY".
THAT is the President's option as Comander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Obama has owned BOTH wars, lock, stock and barrel, from the day he became President.

the time table that was signed into law by GW Bush idiot... Obama had no choice in pulling out

you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?

Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.

no its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it... what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt ... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debt

The President is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces of the USA.
The President can add of subtract our military forces.
President Obama COULD'VE withdrawn all our forces whenever he wanted to, as he did in Iraq on HIS time-table.
Instead, Obama CHOSE to continue BOTH wars.
Obama actually ramped-up the war in Afghanistan.
Obama COULD'VE started withdrawing our troops from BOTH wars the day he became President, and stated that "ALL OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM TODAY".
THAT is the President's option as Comander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Obama has owned BOTH wars, lock, stock and barrel, from the day he became President.

the time table that was signed into law by GW Bush idiot... Obama had no choice in pulling out

LMFAO
There was NO time-table for withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan "WRITTEN INTO LAW".
???Where do you get your information???
The President decides when the Iraq war ceases, It was Obama's time-table as too when we stop the war in Iraq AND Afghanistan.
Obama originally stated that he would stop the was and bring our troops home as soon as he was President.
THEN he expanded it to 6 mos, ............... a year.
Obama kept setting back the date he would remover our troops from the war.
It is the current President's discretion as to when he pulls our troops out, NOT the former President's time-table.
Obama has owned both wars, costs and casualities, since the day he became President.

you need to go and look it up for your self and stop making a fool of yourself

Status of forces agreement
Main article: U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement
The U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement was approved by the Iraqi government on 4 December 2008. It establishes that U.S. combat forces will withdraw from Iraqi cities by 30 June 2009, and that all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by 31 December 2011. The pact is subject to possible negotiations which could delay withdrawal and a referendum scheduled for mid-2009 in Iraq which may require all U.S. forces to completely leave by the middle of 2010. The pact requires criminal charges for holding prisoners over 24 hours, and requires a warrant for searches of homes and buildings that are not related to combat

nice try nut no banana for you

THAT was an agreement with Iraq.
Can you show where the House and the Senate voted on that agreement and President GW Bush signed it inti law?
THAT was just an agreement with Iraq.
Obama could've withdrew our troops sooner IF he wanted to. .................. Like he PROMISED to do "as soon as i become President, within 6 mos, within the first year, etc.)
Obama CHOSE to keep our troops in Iraq and ramp-up the war in Afghanistan,
Can you show me where the House and Senate voted on President GW Bush's agreement with Iraq and where it says that the President cannot withdraw troops earlier?

 

[RKMBrown]

Fact is, Clinton up till about 97, or 98, never even proposed a balanced budget. If you look at the budgets he proposed from 1993 to 1996, he had no intention of ever having anything less than $200B deficits for the next 20 years. If not for Congress cutting his bloated budgets, we never would have even gotten close to a balanced budget.

Democrats scream and cry for government to spend more money, then take credit for republicans cutting budgets. Democrats are spoiled crybabies and liars.

Democrats say the war was over oil, then they oppose domestic exploration and whine about high gas prices.

They demand jobs then take more money away from the people who provide them.

They say paying taxes is patriotic while they demonize the people who pay them.

They attack the American Koch brothers for buying American elections while they support foreign George Soros buying American elections and are good with the Chinese buying Gore.

They attack Republicans for cheating on their taxes when they take deductions while they excuse Rangle and Daschle and other Democrats for tax fraud.

They call anyone who doesn't want to let any foreigner walk across our border to take a job from an American xenophobic while demanding we not let companies offshore any job to any foreigner to keep their prices competitive

Democrats never set a standard they hold themselves to.

could you stay on topic which is Obama has spent less then any president to date ....not here to debate what you think dems are

You're a moron.

 

[kaz]

Democrats never set a standard they hold themselves to.

could you stay on topic which is Obama has spent less then any president to date ....not here to debate what you think dems are

The only post which is on topic to you is to laugh like Beevis and Butthead and say heh heh heh, yeah, heh heh heh, Republicans are stupid heh heh heh Obama spent less than anyone, and then you reply, heh heh heh, yeah, heh heh heh, he did heh heh heh.

Listening to liberals analyze an issue is very educational, the incredible insights you have.