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LOL it's not Obama's debt
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Obama has increased government spending less than any president in at least a generation.
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LOL it's not Obama's debt
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no its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it... what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt ... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debtnever said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statementactually more needs to be said ... you sound like a broken recordnational debt when obama took over --------------- 10T
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T
nothing more needs to be said. Obama will have increased the national debt more than all previous presidents COMBINED.
when obama took over ---------------(BR) 10T in total agreement here ...
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
(BR)your implication here is one sided.... without any factual information here... the real question here is who caused the debt and how did it happen.... you refused to accept how we got to this 18 to 20 trillion dollars of debt ... we have asked you the question time and time again... what bill or bills did Obama sign into law that has caused the 10 trillion dollars of debt .... you haven't been able to show us one bill that Obama has sign that caused this debt that you're claiming Obana caused.... we have time and time again shown you many bills that the Bush administration passed and was passed on to the Obama administration ... your response was the typical was, OH you libs always want to blame it on Bush ... that's all you libs do is blame it on someone else ... that's all you can do ... and yet you can't show one bill that Obama passed that caused any of this debt .... neither can the CBO of this country show us any bills that Obama passed to cause this debt... so I would say to you, why don't you contact the CBO of this country and give them your words of wisdom ... they need a good laugh too...
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T (BR) not in disagreement here either ...so how did we get here ??? can ya give us a credible answer ??? redfish
OK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.
His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.
He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.
you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?
Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.
no its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it... what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt ... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debtnever said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statementactually more needs to be said ... you sound like a broken recordnational debt when obama took over --------------- 10T
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T
nothing more needs to be said. Obama will have increased the national debt more than all previous presidents COMBINED.
when obama took over ---------------(BR) 10T in total agreement here ...
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
(BR)your implication here is one sided.... without any factual information here... the real question here is who caused the debt and how did it happen.... you refused to accept how we got to this 18 to 20 trillion dollars of debt ... we have asked you the question time and time again... what bill or bills did Obama sign into law that has caused the 10 trillion dollars of debt .... you haven't been able to show us one bill that Obama has sign that caused this debt that you're claiming Obana caused.... we have time and time again shown you many bills that the Bush administration passed and was passed on to the Obama administration ... your response was the typical was, OH you libs always want to blame it on Bush ... that's all you libs do is blame it on someone else ... that's all you can do ... and yet you can't show one bill that Obama passed that caused any of this debt .... neither can the CBO of this country show us any bills that Obama passed to cause this debt... so I would say to you, why don't you contact the CBO of this country and give them your words of wisdom ... they need a good laugh too...
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T (BR) not in disagreement here either ...so how did we get here ??? can ya give us a credible answer ??? redfish
OK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.
His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.
He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.
you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?
Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.
The President is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces of the USA.
The President can add of subtract our military forces.
President Obama COULD'VE withdrawn all our forces whenever he wanted to, as he did in Iraq on HIS time-table.
Instead, Obama CHOSE to continue BOTH wars.
Obama actually ramped-up the war in Afghanistan.
Obama COULD'VE started withdrawing our troops from BOTH wars the day he became President, and stated that "ALL OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM TODAY".
THAT is the President's option as Comander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Obama has owned BOTH wars, lock, stock and barrel, from the day he became President.
billyerock1991
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ya just have to laugh when you see a post like this one ... next you'll say obama sign it into law in 2007 and in 2008 ... ya just have to laugh ... sorry to inform you Bush wouldn't have sign any bills to increase tax spending in 2007 and 2008 ... but good to see you like to make us laugh ...Saying that Obama has increased government spending less than any President is as stupid as bragging that Ted Bundy killed less people than Tim McVeigh.
Besides Obama as Senator in that filthy Democrat controlled Congress elected in 2006 voted for the big increases in 2007 and 2008.
billyerock1991
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still laughingObama as Senator in that filthy Democrat controlled Congress elected in 2006 voted for the big increases in 2007 and 2008.
And signed it in 2009
no its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it...never said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statementactually more needs to be said ... you sound like a broken recordnational debt when obama took over --------------- 10T
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T
nothing more needs to be said. Obama will have increased the national debt more than all previous presidents COMBINED.
when obama took over ---------------(BR) 10T in total agreement here ...
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
(BR)your implication here is one sided.... without any factual information here... the real question here is who caused the debt and how did it happen.... you refused to accept how we got to this 18 to 20 trillion dollars of debt ... we have asked you the question time and time again... what bill or bills did Obama sign into law that has caused the 10 trillion dollars of debt .... you haven't been able to show us one bill that Obama has sign that caused this debt that you're claiming Obana caused.... we have time and time again shown you many bills that the Bush administration passed and was passed on to the Obama administration ... your response was the typical was, OH you libs always want to blame it on Bush ... that's all you libs do is blame it on someone else ... that's all you can do ... and yet you can't show one bill that Obama passed that caused any of this debt .... neither can the CBO of this country show us any bills that Obama passed to cause this debt... so I would say to you, why don't you contact the CBO of this country and give them your words of wisdom ... they need a good laugh too...
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T (BR) not in disagreement here either ...so how did we get here ??? can ya give us a credible answer ??? redfish
OK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.
His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.
He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.
you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?
Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.
what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt
... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debt
?? What bill did Obama sign into law that caused a huge debt??
How about his failed "stimulus", to the tune of $800 billion?
...... For starters.
billyerock1991
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the time table that was signed into law by GW Bush idiot... Obama had no choice in pulling outno its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it... what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt ... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debtnever said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statementactually more needs to be said ... you sound like a broken record
when obama took over ---------------(BR) 10T in total agreement here ...
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
(BR)your implication here is one sided.... without any factual information here... the real question here is who caused the debt and how did it happen.... you refused to accept how we got to this 18 to 20 trillion dollars of debt ... we have asked you the question time and time again... what bill or bills did Obama sign into law that has caused the 10 trillion dollars of debt .... you haven't been able to show us one bill that Obama has sign that caused this debt that you're claiming Obana caused.... we have time and time again shown you many bills that the Bush administration passed and was passed on to the Obama administration ... your response was the typical was, OH you libs always want to blame it on Bush ... that's all you libs do is blame it on someone else ... that's all you can do ... and yet you can't show one bill that Obama passed that caused any of this debt .... neither can the CBO of this country show us any bills that Obama passed to cause this debt... so I would say to you, why don't you contact the CBO of this country and give them your words of wisdom ... they need a good laugh too...
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T (BR) not in disagreement here either ...so how did we get here ??? can ya give us a credible answer ??? redfish
OK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.
His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.
He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.
you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?
Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.
The President is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces of the USA.
The President can add of subtract our military forces.
President Obama COULD'VE withdrawn all our forces whenever he wanted to, as he did in Iraq on HIS time-table.
Instead, Obama CHOSE to continue BOTH wars.
Obama actually ramped-up the war in Afghanistan.
Obama COULD'VE started withdrawing our troops from BOTH wars the day he became President, and stated that "ALL OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM TODAY".
THAT is the President's option as Comander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Obama has owned BOTH wars, lock, stock and barrel, from the day he became President.
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As the National Debt crossed over the 18 trillion dollars mark we continue to hear from the media how robust economic growth has helped push the U.S. budget deficit down to the lowest level since 2008. Claims of the sharpest turnaround in the government’s fiscal position in at least 46 years are targeted at reassuring American that Washington has got our back.
The ugly truth many people choose to ignore is that starting in 2017 entitlements will become the driving force and carry the deficit in to nosebleed territory. Any claim that the Obama administration has the budget deficit back under control is a total lie. The article below provides clarification on this subject.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/11/deficit-poised-to-top-18-trillion.html
The ugly truth many people choose to ignore is that starting in 2017 entitlements will become the driving force and carry the deficit in to nosebleed territory. Any claim that the Obama administration has the budget deficit back under control is a total lie. The article below provides clarification on this subject.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/11/deficit-poised-to-top-18-trillion.html
billyerock1991
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I glad you posted that stimulus package it all was paid for and never became a debt as I said please show us one bill that obama signed into law that caused a debt the stimulus didn't cause any debt ... 300 billion dollars of that was bill went to tax cuts did you forget that??? HUMMMMMMMMMM must have been a sleep at the wheel when the numbers came in on that ...no its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it...never said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statementactually more needs to be said ... you sound like a broken record
when obama took over ---------------(BR) 10T in total agreement here ...
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
(BR)your implication here is one sided.... without any factual information here... the real question here is who caused the debt and how did it happen.... you refused to accept how we got to this 18 to 20 trillion dollars of debt ... we have asked you the question time and time again... what bill or bills did Obama sign into law that has caused the 10 trillion dollars of debt .... you haven't been able to show us one bill that Obama has sign that caused this debt that you're claiming Obana caused.... we have time and time again shown you many bills that the Bush administration passed and was passed on to the Obama administration ... your response was the typical was, OH you libs always want to blame it on Bush ... that's all you libs do is blame it on someone else ... that's all you can do ... and yet you can't show one bill that Obama passed that caused any of this debt .... neither can the CBO of this country show us any bills that Obama passed to cause this debt... so I would say to you, why don't you contact the CBO of this country and give them your words of wisdom ... they need a good laugh too...
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T (BR) not in disagreement here either ...so how did we get here ??? can ya give us a credible answer ??? redfish
OK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.
His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.
He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.
you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?
Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.
what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt
... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debt
?? What bill did Obama sign into law that caused a huge debt??
How about his failed "stimulus", to the tune of $800 billion?
...... For starters.
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any debt that is sign into law by a president that causes debt is that presidents responsibility ...not the next president ... I made that clear on a previous post if you're paying attention...that's why I've said that obama has spent less then any president to date and the CBO of this country agrees with my statement here not yours ...
So then why aren't you counting the second TARP bill and Obama's military spending?
billyerock1991
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I don't believe I said Obama had the debt under control ... I clearly said obama has spent less then and previous administration ... that's it ... what you and your fellow republicans have said because of the previous presidents out of control spending that obmam has caused this huge debt ... he hasn't caused it ... that's all I've said ...you on the right for some reason don't grasp that ... you on the right haven't been able to show one bill yet that he signed into law that has caused debtAs the National Debt crossed over the 18 trillion dollars mark we continue to hear from the media how robust economic growth has helped push the U.S. budget deficit down to the lowest level since 2008. Claims of the sharpest turnaround in the government’s fiscal position in at least 46 years are targeted at reassuring American that Washington has got our back.
The ugly truth many people choose to ignore is that starting in 2017 entitlements will become the driving force and carry the deficit in to nosebleed territory. Any claim that the Obama administration has the budget deficit back under control is a total lie. The article below provides clarification on this subject.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/11/deficit-poised-to-top-18-trillion.html
There is NO time-table "written into law" reguarding the withdrawal of troops from Iraq or Afghanistan.the time table that was signed into law by GW Bush idiot... Obama had no choice in pulling outno its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it... what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt ... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debtnever said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statementOK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.
His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.
He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.
you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?
Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.
The President is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces of the USA.
The President can add of subtract our military forces.
President Obama COULD'VE withdrawn all our forces whenever he wanted to, as he did in Iraq on HIS time-table.
Instead, Obama CHOSE to continue BOTH wars.
Obama actually ramped-up the war in Afghanistan.
Obama COULD'VE started withdrawing our troops from BOTH wars the day he became President, and stated that "ALL OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM TODAY".
THAT is the President's option as Comander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Obama has owned BOTH wars, lock, stock and barrel, from the day he became President.
THAT is up to the President.
President GW Bush has his own fluid time-table for withdrawing troops from Iraq.
THAT was Bush's time-table, NOT Obams'a time-table. Obama was/is NOT bound by a previous Presidents time-table on Iraq or Afghanistan.
you need to brush-up on what the President can and cannot do.
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Really......... so Zeke... you are telling me that you agree with Billy, that Social Security does not take any tax money out of your pay check, to operate? Can you read your pay stub? Just curious. Maybe it's too hard for you or something?
Andy, what Billy says is what Billy says. Here's what I say.
The driver of debt is what? Borrowing.
The Social Security Trust Fund was SUPPOSED to be the recipient of all funds dedicated from paychecks to Social Security.
Sitting in the bank so to speak to pay for benefits without the need to borrow for future payments.
And that seems to be what Billy has said.
Social Security was designed to be self funding with monies collected ONLY from those working and those providing jobs.
Hence, Social Security should not be a driver of the debt.
Till COngress started borrowing the money to spend elsewhere. (because Social Security HAD a surplus) Putting IOU's in the trust fund became so easy. Borrowing to cover the IOU's easier still.
Congress raiding Social Security SHOULD NOT have been allowed.
It should not only have not been allowed, it should have resulted and should result today, in felony theft charges for those who stole the money of people who had money confiscated from their earnings, on the specific premise that those monies would be there for them in their senior years.
There is absolutely NOTHING different about the US Social Security System and what Bernie Madoff did, EXCEPT Bernie Madoff did not FORCE PEOPLE TO "INVEST" in his SCHEME, because Bernie Madoff did not have the POWER of Government, a SACRED trust.
He merely had to con people in investing and violate his fiduciary responsibilities. Which is a crime of far less severity, with far less threat to civilization.
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here's what you don't get redfish tell us the difference oh wise one enlighten us all ... I clearly know what deficit spending causes... it causes a huge national debt ... the real question here is do you understand what causes deficit spending ... that's the real question here that you should enlighten us all here with your huge intellect ...
do you understand the difference between deficit and debt? our debt will have doubled under obama---------------------------------DOUBLED, FROM 10 TRILLION TO 20 TRILLION. a slight reduction in the annual deficit is meaningless.
deficit spending = spending more that you collect from taxes and borrowing the rest i.e. creating debt.
Yes, congress creates spending bills, CRs, budgets, etc-------------but the president signs them, approves them, and implements them. obama will be responsible for over 20 trillion in debt by the time he leaves office.
and Yes, there was some reduction in the annual deficit under bubba and barry, but they both increased the debt. Slight reductions in annual deficits are meaningless.
And for both Bubba and the brown clown, the respective reductions in spending were a direct result of REPUBLICAN CONTROL of the Legislature.
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really you want to go their ??? ok Under Bush the tarp bill was passed by Bush ... under Obama he added to that bill for it to be paid back ... explain to us here how paying back borrowed money and getting interest becomes a debt??? still laughing at you .... according to the CBO and the government that money has been paid back with interest ... so again I ask you what bill or bills did obama sign into law that has caused 10 trillion dollars of debt I'll waitany debt that is sign into law by a president that causes debt is that presidents responsibility ...not the next president ... I made that clear on a previous post if you're paying attention...that's why I've said that obama has spent less then any president to date and the CBO of this country agrees with my statement here not yours ...
So then why aren't you counting the second TARP bill and Obama's military spending?
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we all here have establish you as a right wing nut job ...Really......... so Zeke... you are telling me that you agree with Billy, that Social Security does not take any tax money out of your pay check, to operate? Can you read your pay stub? Just curious. Maybe it's too hard for you or something?
Andy, what Billy says is what Billy says. Here's what I say.
The driver of debt is what? Borrowing.
The Social Security Trust Fund was SUPPOSED to be the recipient of all funds dedicated from paychecks to Social Security.
Sitting in the bank so to speak to pay for benefits without the need to borrow for future payments.
And that seems to be what Billy has said.
Social Security was designed to be self funding with monies collected ONLY from those working and those providing jobs.
Hence, Social Security should not be a driver of the debt.
Till COngress started borrowing the money to spend elsewhere. (because Social Security HAD a surplus) Putting IOU's in the trust fund became so easy. Borrowing to cover the IOU's easier still.
Congress raiding Social Security SHOULD NOT have been allowed.
It should not only have not been allowed, it should have resulted and should result today, in felony theft charges for those who stole the money of people who had money confiscated from their earnings, on the specific premise that those monies would be there for them in their senior years.
There is absolutely NOTHING different about the US Social Security System and what Bernie Madoff did, EXCEPT Bernie Madoff did not FORCE PEOPLE TO "INVEST" in his SCHEME, because Bernie Madoff did not have the POWER of Government, a SACRED trust.
He merely had to con people in investing and violate his fiduciary responsibilities. Which is a crime of far less severity, with far less threat to civilization.
the time table that was signed into law by GW Bush idiot... Obama had no choice in pulling outno its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it... what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt ... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debtnever said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statementOK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.
His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.
He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.
you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?
Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.
The President is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces of the USA.
The President can add of subtract our military forces.
President Obama COULD'VE withdrawn all our forces whenever he wanted to, as he did in Iraq on HIS time-table.
Instead, Obama CHOSE to continue BOTH wars.
Obama actually ramped-up the war in Afghanistan.
Obama COULD'VE started withdrawing our troops from BOTH wars the day he became President, and stated that "ALL OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM TODAY".
THAT is the President's option as Comander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Obama has owned BOTH wars, lock, stock and barrel, from the day he became President.
the time table that was signed into law by GW Bush idiot... Obama had no choice in pulling outno its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it... what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt ... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debtnever said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statementOK, then using your "logic" Clinton is responsible for the debt that accrued during the Bush years. Like it or not, obama is responsible for doubling the national debt.
His administration has spent more than it collected every year he has been in office, that is a simple fact that you libs seem unable to comprehend.
He also is the guy who claimed that raising the debt was a sign of a failed administration and was not patriotic.
you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?
Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.
The President is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces of the USA.
The President can add of subtract our military forces.
President Obama COULD'VE withdrawn all our forces whenever he wanted to, as he did in Iraq on HIS time-table.
Instead, Obama CHOSE to continue BOTH wars.
Obama actually ramped-up the war in Afghanistan.
Obama COULD'VE started withdrawing our troops from BOTH wars the day he became President, and stated that "ALL OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM TODAY".
THAT is the President's option as Comander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Obama has owned BOTH wars, lock, stock and barrel, from the day he became President.
LMFAO
There was NO time-table for withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan "WRITTEN INTO LAW".
???Where do you get your information???
The President decides when the Iraq war ceases, It was Obama's time-table as too when we stop the war in Iraq AND Afghanistan.
Obama originally stated that he would stop the was and bring our troops home as soon as he was President.
THEN he expanded it to 6 mos, ............... a year.
Obama kept setting back the date he would remover our troops from the war.
It is the current President's discretion as to when he pulls our troops out, NOT the former President's time-table.
Obama has owned both wars, costs and casualities, since the day he became President.
still laughingObama as Senator in that filthy Democrat controlled Congress elected in 2006 voted for the big increases in 2007 and 2008.
And signed it in 2009
So turns out when you said you hold presidents accountable for what they sign, that was a lie.
And counting all of Iraq and Afghanistan to W is just stupid. Obama continued his policy and actually expanded Afghanistan.
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the second tarp bill as you call it was the bill that forced borrower to be responsible for the pay back ... I've said that all ready ... pay attentionany debt that is sign into law by a president that causes debt is that presidents responsibility ...not the next president ... I made that clear on a previous post if you're paying attention...that's why I've said that obama has spent less then any president to date and the CBO of this country agrees with my statement here not yours ...
So then why aren't you counting the second TARP bill and Obama's military spending?
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you need to go and look it up for your self and stop making a fool of yourselfthe time table that was signed into law by GW Bush idiot... Obama had no choice in pulling outno its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it... what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt ... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debtnever said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statement
you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?
Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.
The President is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces of the USA.
The President can add of subtract our military forces.
President Obama COULD'VE withdrawn all our forces whenever he wanted to, as he did in Iraq on HIS time-table.
Instead, Obama CHOSE to continue BOTH wars.
Obama actually ramped-up the war in Afghanistan.
Obama COULD'VE started withdrawing our troops from BOTH wars the day he became President, and stated that "ALL OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM TODAY".
THAT is the President's option as Comander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Obama has owned BOTH wars, lock, stock and barrel, from the day he became President.the time table that was signed into law by GW Bush idiot... Obama had no choice in pulling outno its not obamas debt ...when you sign a bill that say you have to keep paying for it until the out date of the war that debt is caused by that bill that was sign by the president who passed it ... just because a year goes by doesn't make it their debt ... its still that previous president debt who has caused it... what I've asked you time and time again what bill did obama sign into law that caused a huge debt ... you haven't been able to answer that question ...why ??? because Obama didn't pass any bills that would cause a huge debtnever said that clinton was responsible for the debt reagan and Bush one passed on ... I said they didn't cause the debt that you want to pin on them ... bush one wasn't responsible for reagans debt.... clinton wasn't responsible for bush one's debt ... bush two wasn't responsible for Clinton debt ... Obama isn't isn't responsible for Bush's debt ... that's what I've said here ... what you are trying to say is bush one is responsible for reagans debt ... clinton is responsible for bush ones debt... bush two is responsible for clintons debt ... obama is responsible for Bush two debt ,... they are not ... what you are trying to say here which is wrong as can be, that the currant president in office is responsible for past presidents spending ... I will fight you tooth and nail on that false statement
you are correct to a point, the first year of any presidents term he inherits from his predecessor, after that first year, its all on him. So, using those premises, Obama is only responsible for adding 9 trillion to the debt since he inherited the first trillion from Bush--------------happy now?
Obama's debt = 11 trillion to 20 trillion.
The President is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces of the USA.
The President can add of subtract our military forces.
President Obama COULD'VE withdrawn all our forces whenever he wanted to, as he did in Iraq on HIS time-table.
Instead, Obama CHOSE to continue BOTH wars.
Obama actually ramped-up the war in Afghanistan.
Obama COULD'VE started withdrawing our troops from BOTH wars the day he became President, and stated that "ALL OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM TODAY".
THAT is the President's option as Comander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Obama has owned BOTH wars, lock, stock and barrel, from the day he became President.
LMFAO
There was NO time-table for withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan "WRITTEN INTO LAW".
???Where do you get your information???
The President decides when the Iraq war ceases, It was Obama's time-table as too when we stop the war in Iraq AND Afghanistan.
Obama originally stated that he would stop the was and bring our troops home as soon as he was President.
THEN he expanded it to 6 mos, ............... a year.
Obama kept setting back the date he would remover our troops from the war.
It is the current President's discretion as to when he pulls our troops out, NOT the former President's time-table.
Obama has owned both wars, costs and casualities, since the day he became President.
Status of forces agreement
Main article: U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement
The U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement was approved by the Iraqi government on 4 December 2008. It establishes that U.S. combat forces will withdraw from Iraqi cities by 30 June 2009, and that all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by 31 December 2011. The pact is subject to possible negotiations which could delay withdrawal and a referendum scheduled for mid-2009 in Iraq which may require all U.S. forces to completely leave by the middle of 2010. The pact requires criminal charges for holding prisoners over 24 hours, and requires a warrant for searches of homes and buildings that are not related to combat
nice try nut no banana for you
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