Obama has increased government spending less than any president in at least a generation.

[billyerock1991]

So you feel that 300% and 188% are 'exactly the same'?

ROFLMNAO!

Go figure...

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

Oh my God.

Look, if you have $100, and you increase that by 50%...

I don't think we're going to take a math lesson from someone who 'feels' that 188% and 300% are "exactly the same".

And FTR: There will also be no lessons of any kind, tolerated from relativists who can't get their "feelings' around 'cause and effect'.

This is not "feelings." This is real math. How can you be so opinionated on the debt and the deficit and not know how percentages work? Look:

An increase of 100% in a quantity means that the final amount is 200%of the initial amount (100% of initial + 100% of increase = 200% of initial); in other words, the quantity has doubled. An increase of 800%means the final amount is 9 times the original (100% + 800% = 900% = 9 times as large).

This is from the percentage page on Wikipedia.

Find the percent of increase from 5 to 10.

Amount of increase is 10 − 5 = 5

Original amount is 5

5 / 5 = 1

multiply 1 by one hundred to get the answer as a percent

1 × 100 = 100, so the answer is 100%.

This is from Percent of increase. If you increase something by 200%, it is now 300% of what it was. The original value is not represented in the first percentage, but it is in the second. Do you see?

ROFLMNAO! Good Lord...

Class, no matter how one adds it, 188% is NOT 'Exactly the same' as 300%.

You can do your own math or accept my assurance. But no matter which way ya go, it is never going to add up to obama being PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for spending more money in deficit in 6 years than every president in the HISTORY of the Unites States spent. Not for the Cult. They're wholly detached from any sense of reality.

obama spent more in deficit in six YEARS than the US spent fighting every war we've fought from WW1 to THE PRESENT! And that is in 2011 dollars.

You're wrong.

If something was 100 and now is 200... then one can say it is now 100% bigger or you can say it was 50% smaller. If it took 10 years for that thing to go from 100 to 200 and it went by even increments of 10... then one can say the percent of increase reduced each year... or you could say the amount of increase was constant... If it took 1 year for that thing to go from 100 to 200 then was flat you could say ignore that fact and take credit for the increase 9 years in a row. If the thing went to 400 then back down to 200 you could still say it's 100% bigger than it was by ignoring the fact that's it's 50% lower than it's high, or you could say it got to 400% higher under the first guy then only 200% higher under the second guy thus you lost 200%.. but that would be funny math.

HE'S JUST TRYING TO DAZZLE YOU WITH NUMBERS THAT HASN'T ANY BASES TO THE DEBT HERE

 

[RKMBrown]

Republican campaign strategists may lie, but the numbers don’t. Government spending, when adjusted for inflation, has increased during his administration (to date) by 1.4%. Under George W. Bush, the increases were 7.3% (first term) and 8.1% (second term). Bill Clinton, in his two terms, comes in at 3.2% and 3.9%. George H. W. Bush increased government spending by 5.4%, while Ronald Reagan added 8.7% and 4.9% in his two terms.

Not only does Obama turn out to be the most thrifty president in recent memory, but the evidence shows that Republican administrations consistently increased government spending significantly more than any Democratic administration. Go figure.

What everyone seems to forget is that Social Security and Medicare make up about 40% of the yearly budget. Today--the largest generation in this nations history (baby boomers) are retiring into these funds at 10K per day every day of the week, and this rate will last for another 15 years.

This gives us another 87 trillion in unfunded liabilities on top of the 18 trillion we're already at. NO President is going to avoid these numbers. Social Security and Medicare were promised to the elderly in this country by the Federal Government, taking a portion out of their wages and their employer contributions to pay for it.

The below chart is what 1 trillion dollars looks like. These are $100.00 bills stacked together on pallets. 18 of these make for current debt, then add on another 87 of these to get a good look at the on coming train wreck.

SS and Medicare now takes closer to 60%.

Which is just shy of the magic 70% where Ponzi Schemes disintegrate.

NO IT DOESN'T ... IT DOESN'T TAKE ONE DOLLAR OF TAXPAYERS MONEY

Uhm... where do you think SS money comes from? You think it grows on trees?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

... in no way did Obama cause the country to double by anything he has done... all the debt came from the bush administration

If I were a Federal Prosecutor, I would take that one statement from that jackass, and use it to have them committed, locked down and secured from ever being able to utter another word in public.

At some point this nonsense has got to stop. There is no right to profess falsity. PERIOD.

But I don't see any chance that any prosecutor is going to do so... So we'll just have to let nature take its course and deal with it once "OPEN SEASON" is declared on this lunatics.

denial is your best argument ... we asked you to show us one bill that obama signed into law that caused this huge debt ...

obamaScare... massive government takeover of 1/6th of the US Economy... ADDING TRILLIONS IN OPERATING EXPENSES to the US Federal government... He signed that.

Which it should be noted was passed EXCLUSIVELY BY THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT... without so much as a single vote from a singe Republican, including our own in-house socialists. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE, with ONE obama signature. Are you telling me that no one has bothered to mention THAT 900lb Gorilla sitting there in the middle of the room?

However, NONE of that is relevant to the discussion of obama and his spending.

FACT: obama has spent MORE MONEY IN DEFICIT , creating more federal debt, than EVERY PRESIDENT WHICH CAME BEFORE HIM...

He has spend more money in SIX YEARS in DEFICIT than the US SPENT FIGHTING EVERY WAR IN THE 20th CENTURY, including WW1, WW2, KOREA, VIETNAM, THE First GULF WAR AND THE DECADES LONG US GWOT, TO PRESENT.

And that's not even a remotely debatable point.

Yet there the idiots are tryin' to DEBATE IT.

And THIS despite obama comin' to power claiming that 150 billion a year in Average Bush annual deficits was IMMORAL!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

SS and Medicare now takes closer to 60%.

Which is just shy of the magic 70% where Ponzi Schemes disintegrate.

NO IT DOESN'T ... IT DOESN'T TAKE ONE DOLLAR OF TAXPAYERS MONEY[/QUOTE]

ROFLMNAO!

Ok... does any reasonable contributor need anything else? Clearly the contributor cited above is a fool in the extreme and not to be taken seriously.

What's more, with this most recent assertion, billyrock has now shot beyond my threshold of consideration and when this post is sent, the next action I will take will be sending that lunatic to Life in IGNORE.

Hey kid... say high to the other inmates, will ya? TTFE!

 

[zeke]

billyrock has now shot beyond my threshold of consideration and when this post is sent, the next action I will take will be sending that lunatic to Life in IGNORE.

In other words, you are tired of getting your punk ass kicked by billyrock and want to avoid that in the future.
We understand. You got me on ignore yet?

Pretty soon, you'll be arguing with yourself. And you still won't make any sense.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

billyrock has now shot beyond my threshold of consideration and when this post is sent, the next action I will take will be sending that lunatic to Life in IGNORE.

In other words, you are tired of getting your punk ass kicked by billyrock and want to avoid that in the future.
We understand. You got me on ignore yet?

Pretty soon, you'll be arguing with yourself. And you still won't make any sense.

Obama spent less but somehow racked up more debt than anyone in all of human history.

That's amazing

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Is Obama our Coolidge?

 

[RKMBrown]

billyrock has now shot beyond my threshold of consideration and when this post is sent, the next action I will take will be sending that lunatic to Life in IGNORE.

In other words, you are tired of getting your punk ass kicked by billyrock and want to avoid that in the future.
We understand. You got me on ignore yet?

Pretty soon, you'll be arguing with yourself. And you still won't make any sense.

Obama spent less but somehow racked up more debt than anyone in all of human history.

That's amazing

But Bush!!!

 

[Paperman299]

... in no way did Obama cause the country to double by anything he has done... all the debt came from the bush administration

If I were a Federal Prosecutor, I would take that one statement from that jackass, and use it to have them committed, locked down and secured from ever being able to utter another word in public.

At some point this nonsense has got to stop. There is no right to profess falsity. PERIOD.

But I don't see any chance that any prosecutor is going to do so... So we'll just have to let nature take its course and deal with it once "OPEN SEASON" is declared on this lunatics.

denial is your best argument ... we asked you to show us one bill that obama signed into law that caused this huge debt ...

obamaScare... massive government takeover of 1/6th of the US Economy... ADDING TRILLIONS IN OPERATING EXPENSES to the US Federal government... He signed that.

Which it should be noted was passed EXCLUSIVELY BY THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT... without so much as a single vote from a singe Republican, including our own in-house socialists. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE, with ONE obama signature. Are you telling me that no one has bothered to mention THAT 900lb Gorilla sitting there in the middle of the room?

However, NONE of that is relevant to the discussion of obama and his spending.

FACT: obama has spent MORE MONEY IN DEFICIT , creating more federal debt, than EVERY PRESIDENT WHICH CAME BEFORE HIM...

He has spend more money in SIX YEARS in DEFICIT than the US SPENT FIGHTING EVERY WAR IN THE 20th CENTURY, including WW1, WW2, KOREA, VIETNAM, THE First GULF WAR AND THE DECADES LONG US GWOT, TO PRESENT.

And that's not even a remotely debatable point.

Yet there the idiots are tryin' to DEBATE IT.

And THIS despite obama comin' to power claiming that 150 billion a year in Average Bush annual deficits was IMMORAL!

Reagan spent triple in deficit what every president before him spent. And that was while significantly raising the deficit, not reducing it. You can't ignore this point just because you don't understand percentages.

 

[RKMBrown]

... in no way did Obama cause the country to double by anything he has done... all the debt came from the bush administration

If I were a Federal Prosecutor, I would take that one statement from that jackass, and use it to have them committed, locked down and secured from ever being able to utter another word in public.

At some point this nonsense has got to stop. There is no right to profess falsity. PERIOD.

But I don't see any chance that any prosecutor is going to do so... So we'll just have to let nature take its course and deal with it once "OPEN SEASON" is declared on this lunatics.

denial is your best argument ... we asked you to show us one bill that obama signed into law that caused this huge debt ...

obamaScare... massive government takeover of 1/6th of the US Economy... ADDING TRILLIONS IN OPERATING EXPENSES to the US Federal government... He signed that.

Which it should be noted was passed EXCLUSIVELY BY THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT... without so much as a single vote from a singe Republican, including our own in-house socialists. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE, with ONE obama signature. Are you telling me that no one has bothered to mention THAT 900lb Gorilla sitting there in the middle of the room?

However, NONE of that is relevant to the discussion of obama and his spending.

FACT: obama has spent MORE MONEY IN DEFICIT , creating more federal debt, than EVERY PRESIDENT WHICH CAME BEFORE HIM...

He has spend more money in SIX YEARS in DEFICIT than the US SPENT FIGHTING EVERY WAR IN THE 20th CENTURY, including WW1, WW2, KOREA, VIETNAM, THE First GULF WAR AND THE DECADES LONG US GWOT, TO PRESENT.

And that's not even a remotely debatable point.

Yet there the idiots are tryin' to DEBATE IT.

And THIS despite obama comin' to power claiming that 150 billion a year in Average Bush annual deficits was IMMORAL!

Reagan spent triple in deficit what every president before him spent. And that was while significantly raising the deficit, not reducing it. You can't ignore this point just because you don't understand percentages.

Reagan spent the money on things that had a return on investment. Obama spent the money on crap.

 

[Andylusion]

Republican campaign strategists may lie, but the numbers don’t. Government spending, when adjusted for inflation, has increased during his administration (to date) by 1.4%. Under George W. Bush, the increases were 7.3% (first term) and 8.1% (second term). Bill Clinton, in his two terms, comes in at 3.2% and 3.9%. George H. W. Bush increased government spending by 5.4%, while Ronald Reagan added 8.7% and 4.9% in his two terms.

Not only does Obama turn out to be the most thrifty president in recent memory, but the evidence shows that Republican administrations consistently increased government spending significantly more than any Democratic administration. Go figure.

What everyone seems to forget is that Social Security and Medicare make up about 40% of the yearly budget. Today--the largest generation in this nations history (baby boomers) are retiring into these funds at 10K per day every day of the week, and this rate will last for another 15 years.

This gives us another 87 trillion in unfunded liabilities on top of the 18 trillion we're already at. NO President is going to avoid these numbers. Social Security and Medicare were promised to the elderly in this country by the Federal Government, taking a portion out of their wages and their employer contributions to pay for it.

The below chart is what 1 trillion dollars looks like. These are $100.00 bills stacked together on pallets. 18 of these make for current debt, then add on another 87 of these to get a good look at the on coming train wreck.

SS and Medicare now takes closer to 60%.

Which is just shy of the magic 70% where Ponzi Schemes disintegrate.

NO IT DOESN'T ... IT DOESN'T TAKE ONE DOLLAR OF TAXPAYERS MONEY

Are you insane? Have you not collected a pay check yet, and seen the FICA tax?

That is the most fruity nut response in this thread.

 

[Andylusion]

... in no way did Obama cause the country to double by anything he has done... all the debt came from the bush administration

If I were a Federal Prosecutor, I would take that one statement from that jackass, and use it to have them committed, locked down and secured from ever being able to utter another word in public.

At some point this nonsense has got to stop. There is no right to profess falsity. PERIOD.

But I don't see any chance that any prosecutor is going to do so... So we'll just have to let nature take its course and deal with it once "OPEN SEASON" is declared on this lunatics.

denial is your best argument ... we asked you to show us one bill that obama signed into law that caused this huge debt ...

obamaScare... massive government takeover of 1/6th of the US Economy... ADDING TRILLIONS IN OPERATING EXPENSES to the US Federal government... He signed that.

Which it should be noted was passed EXCLUSIVELY BY THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT... without so much as a single vote from a singe Republican, including our own in-house socialists. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE, with ONE obama signature. Are you telling me that no one has bothered to mention THAT 900lb Gorilla sitting there in the middle of the room?

However, NONE of that is relevant to the discussion of obama and his spending.

FACT: obama has spent MORE MONEY IN DEFICIT , creating more federal debt, than EVERY PRESIDENT WHICH CAME BEFORE HIM...

He has spend more money in SIX YEARS in DEFICIT than the US SPENT FIGHTING EVERY WAR IN THE 20th CENTURY, including WW1, WW2, KOREA, VIETNAM, THE First GULF WAR AND THE DECADES LONG US GWOT, TO PRESENT.

And that's not even a remotely debatable point.

Yet there the idiots are tryin' to DEBATE IT.

And THIS despite obama comin' to power claiming that 150 billion a year in Average Bush annual deficits was IMMORAL!

Reagan spent triple in deficit what every president before him spent. And that was while significantly raising the deficit, not reducing it. You can't ignore this point just because you don't understand percentages.

No, I agree with that.

Here's my problem.... who in government controls how much is spent? Congress. Do you not understand this? Congress controls the budget. Not the president.

You do understand that Reagan's Tax cuts resulted in the tax revenues of the 1980s, to double, even while tax rates were cut in half.... right?

So Reagan's tax policy wasn't the problem.

The problem was over spending. In 1982, Reagan and the Congress (both Republican and Democrat), agreed to close tax deductions, thereby increasing tax revenue, while at the same time, they agreed to cut spending.

The problem is, spending increased, when they said they would cut spending.

If you take a look at Ronald Reagan's proposed budgets, and compare them to actual spending, the Democrats in Congress over-spent Reagan's budget every single time.

http://www.usfederalbudget.us/federal_budget_estimate_vs_actual_1986_XXbs1n#usgs302

You can punch around, and look at the Estimated Budget given by Ronald Reagan, and the Actual spending done by Congress.


Year - Federal Budget - Actual Spending by Congress.

1986 - $973B - $990B
1987 - $994B - $1,004B
1988 - $1,024B - $1,064B
1989 - $1,094B - $1,143B
1990 - $1,151B - $1,253B

I wish I could get the 81 through 85 proposed budgets, and compare them to the actual spending, but clearly you can see the pattern. The congress over spent the Reagan proposed budget year after year after year.

Compare that to the 90s.

1994 - $1,515B - $1,461B
1995 - $1,518B - $1,515B
1996 - $1,612B - $1,560B
1997 - $1,635B - $1,601B
1998 - $1,687B - $1,652B
1999 - $1,733B - $1,701B

See the pattern? Congress.... Not Bill Clinton.... Congress under cut Bill Clinton's budget year over year. Just as Congress, not Reagan, over spent Reagan's budget year over year.

And whether you like it or not, the congress for most of Reagan's 2 terms, were Democrat, and for most of Clinton's two terms, were Republican.

The only thing the president can do, is propose a budget. Congress ultimately, is who determines what is spent.

Fact is, Clinton up till about 97, or 98, never even proposed a balanced budget. If you look at the budgets he proposed from 1993 to 1996, he had no intention of ever having anything less than $200B deficits for the next 20 years. If not for Congress cutting his bloated budgets, we never would have even gotten close to a balanced budget.

 

[Andylusion]

billyrock has now shot beyond my threshold of consideration and when this post is sent, the next action I will take will be sending that lunatic to Life in IGNORE.

In other words, you are tired of getting your punk ass kicked by billyrock and want to avoid that in the future.
We understand. You got me on ignore yet?

Pretty soon, you'll be arguing with yourself. And you still won't make any sense.

Really......... so Zeke... you are telling me that you agree with Billy, that Social Security does not take any tax money out of your pay check, to operate? Can you read your pay stub? Just curious. Maybe it's too hard for you or something?

 

[billyerock1991]

national debt when obama took over --------------- 10T
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T

nothing more needs to be said. Obama will have increased the national debt more than all previous presidents COMBINED.

actually more needs to be said ... you sound like a broken record
when obama took over ---------------(BR) 10T in total agreement here ...
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
(BR)your implication here is one sided.... without any factual information here... the real question here is who caused the debt and how did it happen.... you refused to accept how we got to this 18 to 20 trillion dollars of debt ... we have asked you the question time and time again... what bill or bills did Obama sign into law that has caused the 10 trillion dollars of debt .... you haven't been able to show us one bill that Obama has sign that caused this debt that you're claiming Obana caused.... we have time and time again shown you many bills that the Bush administration passed and was passed on to the Obama administration ... your response was the typical was, OH you libs always want to blame it on Bush ... that's all you libs do is blame it on someone else ... that's all you can do ... and yet you can't show one bill that Obama passed that caused any of this debt .... neither can the CBO of this country show us any bills that Obama passed to cause this debt... so I would say to you, why don't you contact the CBO of this country and give them your words of wisdom ... they need a good laugh too...
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T (BR) not in disagreement here either ...so how did we get here ??? can ya give us a credible answer ??? redfish

 

[billyerock1991]

... in no way did Obama cause the country to double by anything he has done... all the debt came from the bush administration

If I were a Federal Prosecutor, I would take that one statement from that jackass, and use it to have them committed, locked down and secured from ever being able to utter another word in public.

At some point this nonsense has got to stop. There is no right to profess falsity. PERIOD.

But I don't see any chance that any prosecutor is going to do so... So we'll just have to let nature take its course and deal with it once "OPEN SEASON" is declared on this lunatics.

denial is your best argument ... we asked you to show us one bill that obama signed into law that caused this huge debt ...

obamaScare... massive government takeover of 1/6th of the US Economy... ADDING TRILLIONS IN OPERATING EXPENSES to the US Federal government... He signed that.

Which it should be noted was passed EXCLUSIVELY BY THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT... without so much as a single vote from a singe Republican, including our own in-house socialists. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE, with ONE obama signature. Are you telling me that no one has bothered to mention THAT 900lb Gorilla sitting there in the middle of the room?

However, NONE of that is relevant to the discussion of obama and his spending.

FACT: obama has spent MORE MONEY IN DEFICIT , creating more federal debt, than EVERY PRESIDENT WHICH CAME BEFORE HIM...

He has spend more money in SIX YEARS in DEFICIT than the US SPENT FIGHTING EVERY WAR IN THE 20th CENTURY, including WW1, WW2, KOREA, VIETNAM, THE First GULF WAR AND THE DECADES LONG US GWOT, TO PRESENT.

And that's not even a remotely debatable point.

Yet there the idiots are tryin' to DEBATE IT.

And THIS despite obama comin' to power claiming that 150 billion a year in Average Bush annual deficits was IMMORAL!

Reagan spent triple in deficit what every president before him spent. And that was while significantly raising the deficit, not reducing it. You can't ignore this point just because you don't understand percentages.

No, I agree with that.

Here's my problem.... who in government controls how much is spent? Congress. Do you not understand this? Congress controls the budget. Not the president.

You do understand that Reagan's Tax cuts resulted in the tax revenues of the 1980s, to double, even while tax rates were cut in half.... right?

So Reagan's tax policy wasn't the problem.

The problem was over spending. In 1982, Reagan and the Congress (both Republican and Democrat), agreed to close tax deductions, thereby increasing tax revenue, while at the same time, they agreed to cut spending.

The problem is, spending increased, when they said they would cut spending.

If you take a look at Ronald Reagan's proposed budgets, and compare them to actual spending, the Democrats in Congress over-spent Reagan's budget every single time.

US Federal Budget Spending Estimate vs. Actual for FY1986 - Charts

You can punch around, and look at the Estimated Budget given by Ronald Reagan, and the Actual spending done by Congress.


Year - Federal Budget - Actual Spending by Congress.

1986 - $973B - $990B
1987 - $994B - $1,004B
1988 - $1,024B - $1,064B
1989 - $1,094B - $1,143B
1990 - $1,151B - $1,253B

I wish I could get the 81 through 85 proposed budgets, and compare them to the actual spending, but clearly you can see the pattern. The congress over spent the Reagan proposed budget year after year after year.

Compare that to the 90s.

1994 - $1,515B - $1,461B
1995 - $1,518B - $1,515B
1996 - $1,612B - $1,560B
1997 - $1,635B - $1,601B
1998 - $1,687B - $1,652B
1999 - $1,733B - $1,701B

See the pattern? Congress.... Not Bill Clinton.... Congress under cut Bill Clinton's budget year over year. Just as Congress, not Reagan, over spent Reagan's budget year over year.

And whether you like it or not, the congress for most of Reagan's 2 terms, were Democrat, and for most of Clinton's two terms, were Republican.

The only thing the president can do, is propose a budget. Congress ultimately, is who determines what is spent.

Fact is, Clinton up till about 97, or 98, never even proposed a balanced budget. If you look at the budgets he proposed from 1993 to 1996, he had no intention of ever having anything less than $200B deficits for the next 20 years. If not for Congress cutting his bloated budgets, we never would have even gotten close to a balanced budget.

the problem was Reagan was not willing to pass a proper budget each year to cover the spending that the country needed ... he was so concerned in cutting the taxes on the rich from 70% to 28% ... after realizing this debacle of Reagans doing, he realized by doing this he was causing more debt to the country ...Reagan realizing this debacle, he started raising taxes on the middle class through executive power ... he raised the taxes on the middle class in a sneaky way trying to compensate for his huge tax cut for the rich ... this is something you on the right tend to forget ...

 

[billyerock1991]

... in no way did Obama cause the country to double by anything he has done... all the debt came from the bush administration

If I were a Federal Prosecutor, I would take that one statement from that jackass, and use it to have them committed, locked down and secured from ever being able to utter another word in public.

At some point this nonsense has got to stop. There is no right to profess falsity. PERIOD.

But I don't see any chance that any prosecutor is going to do so... So we'll just have to let nature take its course and deal with it once "OPEN SEASON" is declared on this lunatics.

denial is your best argument ... we asked you to show us one bill that obama signed into law that caused this huge debt ...

obamaScare... massive government takeover of 1/6th of the US Economy... ADDING TRILLIONS IN OPERATING EXPENSES to the US Federal government... He signed that.

Which it should be noted was passed EXCLUSIVELY BY THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT... without so much as a single vote from a singe Republican, including our own in-house socialists. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE, with ONE obama signature. Are you telling me that no one has bothered to mention THAT 900lb Gorilla sitting there in the middle of the room?

However, NONE of that is relevant to the discussion of obama and his spending.

FACT: obama has spent MORE MONEY IN DEFICIT , creating more federal debt, than EVERY PRESIDENT WHICH CAME BEFORE HIM...

He has spend more money in SIX YEARS in DEFICIT than the US SPENT FIGHTING EVERY WAR IN THE 20th CENTURY, including WW1, WW2, KOREA, VIETNAM, THE First GULF WAR AND THE DECADES LONG US GWOT, TO PRESENT.

And that's not even a remotely debatable point.

Yet there the idiots are tryin' to DEBATE IT.

And THIS despite obama comin' to power claiming that 150 billion a year in Average Bush annual deficits was IMMORAL!

Reagan spent triple in deficit what every president before him spent. And that was while significantly raising the deficit, not reducing it. You can't ignore this point just because you don't understand percentages.

No, I agree with that.

Here's my problem.... who in government controls how much is spent? Congress. Do you not understand this? Congress controls the budget. Not the president.

You do understand that Reagan's Tax cuts resulted in the tax revenues of the 1980s, to double, even while tax rates were cut in half.... right?

So Reagan's tax policy wasn't the problem.

The problem was over spending. In 1982, Reagan and the Congress (both Republican and Democrat), agreed to close tax deductions, thereby increasing tax revenue, while at the same time, they agreed to cut spending.

The problem is, spending increased, when they said they would cut spending.

If you take a look at Ronald Reagan's proposed budgets, and compare them to actual spending, the Democrats in Congress over-spent Reagan's budget every single time.

US Federal Budget Spending Estimate vs. Actual for FY1986 - Charts

You can punch around, and look at the Estimated Budget given by Ronald Reagan, and the Actual spending done by Congress.


Year - Federal Budget - Actual Spending by Congress.

1986 - $973B - $990B
1987 - $994B - $1,004B
1988 - $1,024B - $1,064B
1989 - $1,094B - $1,143B
1990 - $1,151B - $1,253B

I wish I could get the 81 through 85 proposed budgets, and compare them to the actual spending, but clearly you can see the pattern. The congress over spent the Reagan proposed budget year after year after year.

Compare that to the 90s.

1994 - $1,515B - $1,461B
1995 - $1,518B - $1,515B
1996 - $1,612B - $1,560B
1997 - $1,635B - $1,601B
1998 - $1,687B - $1,652B
1999 - $1,733B - $1,701B

See the pattern? Congress.... Not Bill Clinton.... Congress under cut Bill Clinton's budget year over year. Just as Congress, not Reagan, over spent Reagan's budget year over year.

And whether you like it or not, the congress for most of Reagan's 2 terms, were Democrat, and for most of Clinton's two terms, were Republican.

The only thing the president can do, is propose a budget. Congress ultimately, is who determines what is spent.

Fact is, Clinton up till about 97, or 98, never even proposed a balanced budget. If you look at the budgets he proposed from 1993 to 1996, he had no intention of ever having anything less than $200B deficits for the next 20 years. If not for Congress cutting his bloated budgets, we never would have even gotten close to a balanced budget.

one thing you over look after Reagans passing to low of a budget that the country still needed to have, to cover their cost... the debt went up ... under Bush one he realized this problem that reagans created that he was forced to raise taxes to cover the budget ... yes the budget kept going up each and every year ... not only were there spending cuts across the board by Clinton and the democrats it still wasn't enough .... By reagan not passing a proper Budget each year the debt kept going up ... the congress kept trying to pass a budget that would allow them to get things under control .... but the republicans kept forcing them to m\pass to low of a budget yes they closed many government expenses during the Clinton time in office ...the budget needed to go higher to compensate for the money being spent by the country .... was government spending too much??? sure they were but to pass a budget that wouldn't cover these expenses was the government being incompetent on their part .... the congress, they were in denial ... they felt by cutting taxes would get it under control ... all the did by doing this was cause more debt ... this debt debacle all started under Reagan Leadership ... we have been trying to play catch up ever since ... Obama tried to pass a budget that the country needed to pass.with all of the spending we have, republicans refused to do so ...
just because you feel the government spends to much, fine I agree with that ... but to pass a unrealistic budget while thinking this is a good idea is insane... and we have proved it to be insane with a 18 trillion dollars of debt the government needs to come to a realization that the budget needs to be raised taxes need to go higher and government needs to go down this will be the only way we can catch up... in my opinion

 

[Wildman]

You see scamp, National Socialism, is socialism and socialism is a decidedly leftist organism; and as such, it is a function of evil, like every other aspect of the Ideological Left.

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EXACTLY !!!!
the left loves evil

 

[Wildman]

Obama has increased government spending less than any president in at least a generation.
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LIE ! ..... LIE ! ..... LIE ! ..... LIE ! .....

 

[billyerock1991]

do you understand the difference between deficit and debt? our debt will have doubled under obama---------------------------------DOUBLED, FROM 10 TRILLION TO 20 TRILLION. a slight reduction in the annual deficit is meaningless.

still in denial redfish tell us oh wised one how did it get to this

 

[billyerock1991]

Obama has increased government spending less than any president in at least a generation.
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LIE ! ..... LIE ! ..... LIE ! ..... LIE ! .....

clueless !!!! clueless !!!! clueless!!!!