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Or you can do it the old fashioned way and get a job and work your way thru.
Yes, in old fashioned times it used to be that way. I worked my way through college working Minimum wage summer jobs at $2 an hour. I am not naive enough to expect college kids to do the same at $7.50 an hour and $35,000 a year tuition
But fairly easy to do at say the University of New Mexico where the spring, summer, and fall tuition for a full course load will cost in state students less than $10,000 per year. Subtract maybe a Pell grant, merit a scholarship or two, do some volunteer work in return for some student discounts, take out student loans when you have to, and you can still work your way through college.
I have a family member who didn't have to pay much of anything for a master's and PhD at Stanford? How? A 4.0 GPA and graduation with honors from the nearby relatively inexpensive state university earned her acceptance and attractive financial packages from all seven top graduate schools to which she applied. She choose Stanford. She still had some hefty student loans preferring to go that route during times she needed to work less and focus more on her academic projects. But she also has qualified for jobs that allowed her to pay them off in fairly short order.
It can still be done for those with the gumption and initiative to do it.
Or you can do it the old fashioned way and get a job and work your way thru.
Yes, in old fashioned times it used to be that way. I worked my way through college working Minimum wage summer jobs at $2 an hour. I am not naive enough to expect college kids to do the same at $7.50 an hour and $35,000 a year tuition
Not all colleges are 35K a year.. and even in your time you were not going to work your way thru MIT or Yale on a minimum wage job
but nice try
The only pandering we are finding on this thread is the pandering to silly far right themes.
Yes, in old fashioned times it used to be that way. I worked my way through college working Minimum wage summer jobs at $2 an hour. I am not naive enough to expect college kids to do the same at $7.50 an hour and $35,000 a year tuition
But fairly easy to do at say the University of New Mexico where the spring, summer, and fall tuition for a full course load will cost in state students less than $10,000 per year. Subtract maybe a Pell grant, merit a scholarship or two, do some volunteer work in return for some student discounts, take out student loans when you have to, and you can still work your way through college.
I have a family member who didn't have to pay much of anything for a master's and PhD at Stanford? How? A 4.0 GPA and graduation with honors from the nearby relatively inexpensive state university earned her acceptance and attractive financial packages from all seven top graduate schools to which she applied. She choose Stanford. She still had some hefty student loans preferring to go that route during times she needed to work less and focus more on her academic projects. But she also has qualified for jobs that allowed her to pay them off in fairly short order.
It can still be done for those with the gumption and initiative to do it.
Once again the right points to the extremes and assumes that it applies to all. Not all tuition is $10,000 a year, not all students are 4.0 GPA Stanford candidates
We need to develop solutions that fit the needs of all students. Not just those who live in states with low cost tuitions or off the charts GPAs.
Yes, in old fashioned times it used to be that way. I worked my way through college working Minimum wage summer jobs at $2 an hour. I am not naive enough to expect college kids to do the same at $7.50 an hour and $35,000 a year tuition
Not all colleges are 35K a year.. and even in your time you were not going to work your way thru MIT or Yale on a minimum wage job
but nice try
Thus the extensive student loans, Dave. They can total ten and scores of thousands of dollars. And they have to be paid.
Or you can do it the old fashioned way and get a job and work your way thru.
Yes, in old fashioned times it used to be that way. I worked my way through college working Minimum wage summer jobs at $2 an hour. I am not naive enough to expect college kids to do the same at $7.50 an hour and $35,000 a year tuition
Not all colleges are 35K a year.. and even in your time you were not going to work your way thru MIT or Yale on a minimum wage job
but nice try
Sure....you can always ask Daddy to pay
Or you can do it the old fashioned way and get a job and work your way thru.
Yes, in old fashioned times it used to be that way. I worked my way through college working Minimum wage summer jobs at $2 an hour. I am not naive enough to expect college kids to do the same at $7.50 an hour and $35,000 a year tuition
Yes, in old fashioned times it used to be that way. I worked my way through college working Minimum wage summer jobs at $2 an hour. I am not naive enough to expect college kids to do the same at $7.50 an hour and $35,000 a year tuition
Not all colleges are 35K a year.. and even in your time you were not going to work your way thru MIT or Yale on a minimum wage job
but nice try
At the time I was paying tuition at a State University of $650 a year. A private university was $2000 to $3000 a year and Ivy League was around $4000 tuition.
Working your way through college in the 1970s was relatively easy even with minimum wage jobs. Today, you are looking at debt regardless of how industrious you may be.
The point is that minimum wage has not kept up with the cost of living and Colleges (both public and private ) have escalated their costs
Attempting to lump himself in with the common folk and their situations of struggle.. while he was making what he tries to label everyone else now as 'rich'... that is indeed pandering
It's a campaign gimmick of course and therefore forgivable. All candidates use campaign gimmicks to get elected. Romney has been struggling for a message through this entire campaign period, and I think as of Tuesday night he had finally honed in on a theme that will resonate with those who don't want a leftwing clueless person in the White House.
Or is Obama clueless?
Why didn't he want to go on to serve at the Supreme Court which his credentials at Harvard would have given him a foot in the door? Who would turn down that opportunity in favor of a poorly defined 'private law practice' and some sort of 'community work'? Nothing in his background or activities suggest he has any altruistic motives of any kind.
Or has he been groomed from the beginning--put into all those prestigious schools by design? By whom? We don't know. The record is sealed.
And was the intent to return to Illinois based on the promise that the strings had already been pulled for him to enter the Illinois State legislature? For Michelle to receive a double six figure salary for which she had zero expertise or training. And a million dollar house would be made magically possible? And from there election to the U.S. Senate? And from there the Presidency? Who else with as thin credentials as Obama possesed, no family with any connections, a poor kid of limited means and strapped with a huge college debt and an extremely thin resume would have enjoyed such a meteroic rise?
We'll never know. The records are sealed.
I'd like to know who the poor slob is that had to trade places with him?
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Regardless, student loans are a major burden on college graduates today. starting out life with meager employment prospects and a major debt to pay is rough. And yes, both he President and his wife had to pay off significant debt. Law degrees do not come cheaply
Yes, in old fashioned times it used to be that way. I worked my way through college working Minimum wage summer jobs at $2 an hour. I am not naive enough to expect college kids to do the same at $7.50 an hour and $35,000 a year tuition
Not all colleges are 35K a year.. and even in your time you were not going to work your way thru MIT or Yale on a minimum wage job
but nice try
Thus the extensive student loans, Dave. They can total ten and scores of thousands of dollars. And they have to be paid.
Yes, in old fashioned times it used to be that way. I worked my way through college working Minimum wage summer jobs at $2 an hour. I am not naive enough to expect college kids to do the same at $7.50 an hour and $35,000 a year tuition
Not all colleges are 35K a year.. and even in your time you were not going to work your way thru MIT or Yale on a minimum wage job
but nice try
At the time I was paying tuition at a State University of $650 a year. A private university was $2000 to $3000 a year and Ivy League was around $4000 tuition.
Working your way through college in the 1970s was relatively easy even with minimum wage jobs. Today, you are looking at debt regardless of how industrious you may be.
The point is that minimum wage has not kept up with the cost of living and Colleges (both public and private ) have escalated their costs
At the time I was paying tuition at a State University of $650 a year. A private university was $2000 to $3000 a year and Ivy League was around $4000 tuition.
Working your way through college in the 1970s was relatively easy even with minimum wage jobs. Today, you are looking at debt regardless of how industrious you may be.
The point is that minimum wage has not kept up with the cost of living and Colleges (both public and private ) have escalated their costs
Regardless, student loans are a major burden on college graduates today. starting out life with meager employment prospects and a major debt to pay is rough. And yes, both he President and his wife had to pay off significant debt. Law degrees do not come cheaply
Then maybe Obama should get Government out of helping people pay for the loans being Government has been doing it for a long time and we're yet to see the "pay off" seeing as tuition keeps climbing.
Some would argue that the costs of tuition going up is directly linked to Government subsidizing students to go to school when it would normally be unaffordable. Meaning collage's would have to either take less students (a lot less) and deal with the huge loss in revenues, like 50% or more, or make it more affordable, shift to online classes and update/change the system via the internet to get the quality of education higher while bringing down the costs... It would be a lot like the evolution we see in plants and animals.
Its actually quite amazing how identical the economy and the theory of evolution is. A weak business dies and new one that evolves their business plan and practice move in unless you subsidize then you have a business that infested with disease and rot that should normally die off, but with the help of Government it just keeps getting worse until a plague outbreak happens and you have the 2008 crash Oddly there was mass stimulus, not allowing enough of the liquidation of the bad debt or disease and rot leading to the slowest recovery in US history. Chances are great that we will enter a new a deep recession if not depression before we get out of the Great Recession.
Not all colleges are 35K a year.. and even in your time you were not going to work your way thru MIT or Yale on a minimum wage job
but nice try
At the time I was paying tuition at a State University of $650 a year. A private university was $2000 to $3000 a year and Ivy League was around $4000 tuition.
Working your way through college in the 1970s was relatively easy even with minimum wage jobs. Today, you are looking at debt regardless of how industrious you may be.
The point is that minimum wage has not kept up with the cost of living and Colleges (both public and private ) have escalated their costs
Bravo to your work ethic.
Too bad you stopped considering alternatives.
1. For a real-world perspective on the American ethic, find the Alan Shepard book, Scratch Beginnings, in which the author recounts his own social experiment, at age 24, starting out at the lowest rung of the economic ladder. The question: could he conquer poverty in one year at his best efforts?
2. He left his home with nothing but a tarp, sleeping bag, an empty gym bag, the clothes on his back, and $25. The went to Charleston, South Carolina a city where he had never been before, and where he knew nobody. He didnt use his college education as a resume, nor any family or other contacts.
3. The first night he finds the Crisis Ministries homeless shelter, and, next morning, begins working odd jobs. Within a few weeks, he gets a regular job with a moving company. He moonlights on weekends to make extra money.
4. He makes friends and contacts, and these help him to find jobs and housing Within five months, he gets a raise from the moving company to $10/ hour. And another, to $11/hour in less than nine months.
5. Progress was retarded by breaking his foot on the job, yet by three months he was able to move out of the homeless shelter and rent a room in a large house in an upscale part of town. (It was owned by a friend he met while working a second job on weekends.) Then, just a month later, he moved into a two-bedroom duplex with the cousin of one of his co-workers. It was a bit rundown, so the two of them spent a week-end making it like new. (His share was $325 because he took the master bedroom.)
6. After just ten months he was living in his own furnished apartment, with his own car, and he had $5,300 in savings.
a. The book also tells of other low-income people he met, and how they, also, would like a safety net second to their own work,
"Scratch Beginnings: Me, $25, and the Search for the American Dream" [Paperback]
Adam W. Shepard (Author)
Stop cryin,' start tryin.'
At the time I was paying tuition at a State University of $650 a year. A private university was $2000 to $3000 a year and Ivy League was around $4000 tuition.
Working your way through college in the 1970s was relatively easy even with minimum wage jobs. Today, you are looking at debt regardless of how industrious you may be.
The point is that minimum wage has not kept up with the cost of living and Colleges (both public and private ) have escalated their costs
I think you have a very valid point. The cost of higher education has grossly outpaced the rate of inflation, particularly over the past decade, and as a result few people can do today what you did 30-40 years ago. Hell, even in the 90s it wasn't as bad. My father had moved out to Las Vegas in 93. My older brother graduated high school in 94 and moved out there with my dad. He only needed to live there for six months to establish residency and then was able to get the in state tuition rate of $2500 year at UNLV. You can't find that any more.
It's getting near impossible for someone to pay their way through school if they're enrolled full time. It's certainly doable if you go part time, but it's going to take much longer.
At the time I was paying tuition at a State University of $650 a year. A private university was $2000 to $3000 a year and Ivy League was around $4000 tuition.
Working your way through college in the 1970s was relatively easy even with minimum wage jobs. Today, you are looking at debt regardless of how industrious you may be.
The point is that minimum wage has not kept up with the cost of living and Colleges (both public and private ) have escalated their costs
Bravo to your work ethic.
Too bad you stopped considering alternatives.
1. For a real-world perspective on the American ethic, find the Alan Shepard book, Scratch Beginnings, in which the author recounts his own social experiment, at age 24, starting out at the lowest rung of the economic ladder. The question: could he conquer poverty in one year at his best efforts?
2. He left his home with nothing but a tarp, sleeping bag, an empty gym bag, the clothes on his back, and $25. The went to Charleston, South Carolina a city where he had never been before, and where he knew nobody. He didnt use his college education as a resume, nor any family or other contacts.
3. The first night he finds the Crisis Ministries homeless shelter, and, next morning, begins working odd jobs. Within a few weeks, he gets a regular job with a moving company. He moonlights on weekends to make extra money.
4. He makes friends and contacts, and these help him to find jobs and housing Within five months, he gets a raise from the moving company to $10/ hour. And another, to $11/hour in less than nine months.
5. Progress was retarded by breaking his foot on the job, yet by three months he was able to move out of the homeless shelter and rent a room in a large house in an upscale part of town. (It was owned by a friend he met while working a second job on weekends.) Then, just a month later, he moved into a two-bedroom duplex with the cousin of one of his co-workers. It was a bit rundown, so the two of them spent a week-end making it like new. (His share was $325 because he took the master bedroom.)
6. After just ten months he was living in his own furnished apartment, with his own car, and he had $5,300 in savings.
a. The book also tells of other low-income people he met, and how they, also, would like a safety net second to their own work,
"Scratch Beginnings: Me, $25, and the Search for the American Dream" [Paperback]
Adam W. Shepard (Author)
Stop cryin,' start tryin.'
Yeah dude, but that requires like.......doing stuff.
At the time I was paying tuition at a State University of $650 a year. A private university was $2000 to $3000 a year and Ivy League was around $4000 tuition.
Working your way through college in the 1970s was relatively easy even with minimum wage jobs. Today, you are looking at debt regardless of how industrious you may be.
The point is that minimum wage has not kept up with the cost of living and Colleges (both public and private ) have escalated their costs
I think you have a very valid point. The cost of higher education has grossly outpaced the rate of inflation, particularly over the past decade, and as a result few people can do today what you did 30-40 years ago. Hell, even in the 90s it wasn't as bad. My father had moved out to Las Vegas in 93. My older brother graduated high school in 94 and moved out there with my dad. He only needed to live there for six months to establish residency and then was able to get the in state tuition rate of $2500 year at UNLV. You can't find that any more.
It's getting near impossible for someone to pay their way through school if they're enrolled full time. It's certainly doable if you go part time, but it's going to take much longer.
