Now that Roe v. Wade is overturned, let's look at the damage it's caused

[Blackrook]

The first obvious damage to mention is 63 million dead babies.

That means 63 million women who are the mothers of dead babies and 63 million men who are the fathers of dead babies. That's a lot of suffering. And then you must consider the grandparents of the dead babies and the siblings of the dead babies. More suffering.

It's more suffering than losing a baby through miscarriage. The mother knows she deliberately killed her baby, the father knows his wife or girlfriend or the mother of his child killed his baby, the grandparents know their daughter killed their grandchild, and the siblings know their mother killed their brother or sister.

So much guilt, but bottled up because no one is allowed to talk about it.

Psychological damage. You bet. PTSD. Anxiety. Depression. No doubt many suicides. But not talked about. Not covered in the media.

All that secret suffering. If a woman suffers because of her abortion, we're not allowed to talk about it. The media lies and says it never even happens.

The number 63 million you might have passed over. How many is that? Nearly the population of the United Kingdom. That's a lot of dead babies.

But lets talk about the babies as individuals. Each was a boy or girl with a unique place in God's heart. Every time we killed a baby, it hurt God so deeply we can't even imagine it. God's love for that child was infinite, so his suffering was infinite too.

Perhaps it would be easier to imagine God's suffering as Christ's suffering on the cross. Every time a baby was killed it was like driving a nail deeper into Christ's hands and feet, or lashing him again, or piercing him deeper with the spear.

Did we gain anything with all these abortions?

Feminists claim abortions liberate women. If a woman kills her child, she is free to do other things like have a career. Women can be pleased to know they have more time to spend at the office because they've killed their child.

Abortions benefit men even more than women. A man is free to have sex with a woman, and if she gets pregnant, an abortion fixes it so he doesn't have to help her raise a child as its father. A man never has to grow up so long as he can convince the women he has sex with to have abortions.

Do abortions help the children of a woman she doesn't abort? You might argue they do, their mother has more time to spend with them if she doesn't have that baby. But children might wonder whether it was only dumb luck that they weren't aborted themselves.

Abortion doesn't end with the reversal of Roe v. Wade, the issue returns to the states. Most states will pass laws putting some restrictions on abortion, or abolishing it. Some states will keep it legal, or expand abortion rights to make it legal to kill infants, as New York has already done.

I ask God to forgive every woman who's had an abortion, and all the men who've paid for an abortion, and all the doctors who've performed abortions. As a Christian I must make that prayer because God requires me to forgive.

But a person must repent to be forgiven. If you've had an abortion, or paid for one, or performed one, will you repent?

It's not too late.

 

[aaronleland]

This thread should be aborted.

 

[BULLDOG]

Roe v Wade has not been overturned It might be, but it hasn't happened yet.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The first obvious damage to mention is 63 million dead babies.

That means 63 million women who are the mothers of dead babies and 63 million men who are the fathers of dead babies. That's a lot of suffering. And then you must consider the grandparents of the dead babies and the siblings of the dead babies. More suffering.

It's more suffering than losing a baby through miscarriage. The mother knows she deliberately killed her baby, the father knows his wife or girlfriend or the mother of his child killed his baby, the grandparents know their daughter killed their grandchild, and the siblings know their mother killed their brother or sister.

So much guilt, but bottled up because no one is allowed to talk about it.

Psychological damage. You bet. PTSD. Anxiety. Depression. No doubt many suicides. But not talked about. Not covered in the media.

All that secret suffering. If a woman suffers because of her abortion, we're not allowed to talk about it. The media lies and says it never even happens.

The number 63 million you might have passed over. How many is that? Nearly the population of the United Kingdom. That's a lot of dead babies.

But lets talk about the babies as individuals. Each was a boy or girl with a unique place in God's heart. Every time we killed a baby, it hurt God so deeply we can't even imagine it. God's love for that child was infinite, so his suffering was infinite too.

Perhaps it would be easier to imagine God's suffering as Christ's suffering on the cross. Every time a baby was killed it was like driving a nail deeper into Christ's hands and feet, or lashing him again, or piercing him deeper with the spear.

Did we gain anything with all these abortions?

Feminists claim abortions liberate women. If a woman kills her child, she is free to do other things like have a career. Women can be pleased to know they have more time to spend at the office because they've killed their child.

Abortions benefit men even more than women. A man is free to have sex with a woman, and if she gets pregnant, an abortion fixes it so he doesn't have to help her raise a child as its father. A man never has to grow up so long as he can convince the women he has sex with to have abortions.

Do abortions help the children of a woman she doesn't abort? You might argue they do, their mother has more time to spend with them if she doesn't have that baby. But children might wonder whether it was only dumb luck that they weren't aborted themselves.

Abortion doesn't end with the reversal of Roe v. Wade, the issue returns to the states. Most states will pass laws putting some restrictions on abortion, or abolishing it. Some states will keep it legal, or expand abortion rights to make it legal to kill infants, as New York has already done.

I ask God to forgive every woman who's had an abortion, and all the men who've paid for an abortion, and all the doctors who've performed abortions. As a Christian I must make that prayer because God requires me to forgive.

But a person must repent to be forgiven. If you've had an abortion, or paid for one, or performed one, will you repent?

It's not too late.

Let's say 65 million more people in the US. 6.9 million abortions happened in China every year (according to How Many Abortions Per Year in the World) and they say this made up 1/4 of all abortions. So let's say 27.6 million abortions a year. 276 million in ten years. In 40 years (since China's one child policy) that's 1.1 billion extra people on this planet. That'd be 9 billion people on this planet now.

It'd mean a much higher birth rate too, take those people and the kids they'd have had, half of these people or more may have had children, so even if they had an average of 1.5 then that would be another quarter of a billion people.

Can this planet deal with this?
China's having massive water issues, especially in the north. They're going to take water from the Mekong to deal with this, meaning Laos, Cambodia etc are going to have much, much less water. Maybe they take it from Tibet, meaning India suffers, India then goes to war, it'd never win, unless it reverted to nukes.


Do you see the problem here?

 

[Blackrook]

Let's say 65 million more people in the US. 6.9 million abortions happened in China every year (according to How Many Abortions Per Year in the World) and they say this made up 1/4 of all abortions. So let's say 27.6 million abortions a year. 276 million in ten years. In 40 years (since China's one child policy) that's 1.1 billion extra people on this planet. That'd be 9 billion people on this planet now.

It'd mean a much higher birth rate too, take those people and the kids they'd have had, half of these people or more may have had children, so even if they had an average of 1.5 then that would be another quarter of a billion people.

Can this planet deal with this?
China's having massive water issues, especially in the north. They're going to take water from the Mekong to deal with this, meaning Laos, Cambodia etc are going to have much, much less water. Maybe they take it from Tibet, meaning India suffers, India then goes to war, it'd never win, unless it reverted to nukes.


Do you see the problem here?

The problem I see is that you consider human life to have negative value and therefore we should abort as many babies as we can.

But why stop there?

Let's set up death camps and start sending people there. We can start with the elderly, the handicapped, the mentally ill, all the "useless eaters" as Hitler called them.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Let's say 65 million more people in the US. 6.9 million abortions happened in China every year (according to How Many Abortions Per Year in the World) and they say this made up 1/4 of all abortions. So let's say 27.6 million abortions a year. 276 million in ten years. In 40 years (since China's one child policy) that's 1.1 billion extra people on this planet. That'd be 9 billion people on this planet now.

It'd mean a much higher birth rate too, take those people and the kids they'd have had, half of these people or more may have had children, so even if they had an average of 1.5 then that would be another quarter of a billion people.

Can this planet deal with this?
China's having massive water issues, especially in the north. They're going to take water from the Mekong to deal with this, meaning Laos, Cambodia etc are going to have much, much less water. Maybe they take it from Tibet, meaning India suffers, India then goes to war, it'd never win, unless it reverted to nukes.


Do you see the problem here?

If abortion on demand were not available women would be more inclined to screw around a whole lot less and be much more inclined to use contraception when they do so we'd have nowhere near 65 million more Americans without Roe ever being decided in favor of abortion on demand.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The problem I see is that you consider human life to have negative value and therefore we should abort as many babies as we can.

But why stop there?

Let's set up death camps and start sending people there. We can start with the elderly, the handicapped, the mentally ill, all the "useless eaters" as Hitler called them.

You see that? Well, you're wrong.

I see problems with over population. Is it better to have abortions or is it better for huge wars, starvation, lack of water etc etc?

Takes "life" most into account here?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

You see that? Well, you're wrong.

I see problems with over population. Is it better to have abortions or is it better for huge wars, starvation, lack of water etc etc?

Takes "life" most into account here?

As if those are the only available options.

Anyone old enough to screw around and make a baby in the US knows there are alternatives to pregnancy than abortion and we have free contraception available for those who can't afford it in many thousands of locations all over the country.

The best way to reduce population growth is to create a healthy growing middle class. Raising babies is expensive and once people realize how nice middle class living is they naturally reduce the number of children they have.

 

[Penelope]

The first obvious damage to mention is 63 million dead babies.

That means 63 million women who are the mothers of dead babies and 63 million men who are the fathers of dead babies. That's a lot of suffering. And then you must consider the grandparents of the dead babies and the siblings of the dead babies. More suffering.

It's more suffering than losing a baby through miscarriage. The mother knows she deliberately killed her baby, the father knows his wife or girlfriend or the mother of his child killed his baby, the grandparents know their daughter killed their grandchild, and the siblings know their mother killed their brother or sister.

So much guilt, but bottled up because no one is allowed to talk about it.

Psychological damage. You bet. PTSD. Anxiety. Depression. No doubt many suicides. But not talked about. Not covered in the media.

All that secret suffering. If a woman suffers because of her abortion, we're not allowed to talk about it. The media lies and says it never even happens.

The number 63 million you might have passed over. How many is that? Nearly the population of the United Kingdom. That's a lot of dead babies.

But lets talk about the babies as individuals. Each was a boy or girl with a unique place in God's heart. Every time we killed a baby, it hurt God so deeply we can't even imagine it. God's love for that child was infinite, so his suffering was infinite too.

Perhaps it would be easier to imagine God's suffering as Christ's suffering on the cross. Every time a baby was killed it was like driving a nail deeper into Christ's hands and feet, or lashing him again, or piercing him deeper with the spear.

Did we gain anything with all these abortions?

Feminists claim abortions liberate women. If a woman kills her child, she is free to do other things like have a career. Women can be pleased to know they have more time to spend at the office because they've killed their child.

Abortions benefit men even more than women. A man is free to have sex with a woman, and if she gets pregnant, an abortion fixes it so he doesn't have to help her raise a child as its father. A man never has to grow up so long as he can convince the women he has sex with to have abortions.

Do abortions help the children of a woman she doesn't abort? You might argue they do, their mother has more time to spend with them if she doesn't have that baby. But children might wonder whether it was only dumb luck that they weren't aborted themselves.

Abortion doesn't end with the reversal of Roe v. Wade, the issue returns to the states. Most states will pass laws putting some restrictions on abortion, or abolishing it. Some states will keep it legal, or expand abortion rights to make it legal to kill infants, as New York has already done.

I ask God to forgive every woman who's had an abortion, and all the men who've paid for an abortion, and all the doctors who've performed abortions. As a Christian I must make that prayer because God requires me to forgive.

But a person must repent to be forgiven. If you've had an abortion, or paid for one, or performed one, will you repent?

It's not too late.

I didn't read this, but do you think women would spend their life in prison for having an abortion. It is murder???

 

[Penelope]

As if those are the only available options.

Anyone old enough to screw around and make a baby in the US knows there are alternatives to pregnancy than abortion and we have free contraception available for those who can't afford it in many thousands of locations all over the country.

The best way to reduce population growth is to create a healthy growing middle class. Raising babies is expensive and once people realize how nice middle class living is they naturally reduce the number of children they have.

That will be extremely hard if the republicans have a say about it. Have you seen the ghettos now?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I didn't read this, but do you think women would spend their life in prison for having an abortion. It is murder???

I'd favor her parental rights being permanently terminated along with mandatory surgical removal of her ovaries and womb so she can never murder another child in all cases of abortion not doe to rape, incest, or an imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death to the mother.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

That will be extremely hard if the republicans have a say about it. Have you seen the ghettos now?

Why is that? Republicans aren't encouraging anyone to screw around and make babies they can't or don't intend to provide for.

Ghettos are created by bad choices of parents, not a lack of the availability of abortion and contraception.

 

[Penelope]

Why is that? Republicans aren't encouraging anyone to screw around and make babies they can't or don't intend to provide for.

Ghettos are created by bad choices of parents, not a lack of the availability of abortion and contraception.

In the riches world we still have ghettos, druggies. Bad choices or not.

Why don't you think a women should spend life in prison for the crime of having an abortion??

 

[Big Bend Texas]

In the riches world we still have ghettos, druggies. Bad choices or not.

Why don't you think a women should spend life in prison for the crime of having an abortion??

Nonsensical drivel.

To the second, because I believe any woman who chooses to kill her healthy unborn child must be mentally ill unless carrying that child to term poses a grave risk of imminent grave bodily harm or death.

The only other conditions under which I think abortion should be lawful is when the woman's right to consent to the act which produced it is denied, or if she's below the age of consent when impregnated and in cases of incest.

It's still not the fault of the child being killed in those instances but the mother has a right to consent or not to consent to sex. If that right is denied, I can't hold her to blame for wanting an abortion.

 

[Penelope]

Nonsensical drivel.

To the second, because I believe any woman who chooses to kill her healthy unborn child must be mentally ill unless carrying that child to term poses a grave risk of imminent grave bodily harm or death.

The only other conditions under which I think abortion should be lawful is when the woman's right to consent to the act which produced it is denied, or if she's below the age of consent when impregnated and in cases of incest.

It's still not the fault of the child being killed in those instances but the mother has a right to consent or not to consent to sex. If that right is denied, I can't hold her to blame for wanting an abortion.

The women if she seeks an abortion , never mind the doctor, should she spend life in prison?

 

[Blackrook]

The women if she seeks an abortion , never mind the doctor, should she spend life in prison?

It is not necessary or desirable to punish women for soliciting an abortion.

The abortionist should be stripped of his medical license, fined, and sent to prison. It's not necessary to punish him to the same term a murderer would get, a five year sentence would be sufficient for deterrence.

 

[Penelope]

It is not necessary or desirable to punish women for soliciting an abortion.

The abortionist should be stripped of his medical license, fined, and sent to prison. It's not necessary to punish him to the same term a murderer would get, a five year sentence would be sufficient for deterrence.

The abortionist my eye, should there be a punishment for women to seek to have a abotion, because the doctor would do everything for the woman.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

The abortionist my eye, should there be a punishment for women to seek to have a abotion, because the doctor would do everything for the woman.

A woman seeking "abotion" will spend a lifetime being unsatisfied.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

The abortionist my eye, should there be a punishment for women to seek to have a abotion, because the doctor would do everything for the woman.

If abortion is outlawed and defined as murder the woman would be guilty of accessory to murder and perhaps conspiracy to commit murder but she's not the one performing the murder her self, the abortionist is.

It's a specious argument though because a woman will always be able to find a legal abortion in the US under most circumstances.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The first obvious damage to mention is 63 million dead babies.

That means 63 million women who are the mothers of dead babies and 63 million men who are the fathers of dead babies. That's a lot of suffering. And then you must consider the grandparents of the dead babies and the siblings of the dead babies. More suffering.

It's more suffering than losing a baby through miscarriage. The mother knows she deliberately killed her baby, the father knows his wife or girlfriend or the mother of his child killed his baby, the grandparents know their daughter killed their grandchild, and the siblings know their mother killed their brother or sister.

So much guilt, but bottled up because no one is allowed to talk about it.

Psychological damage. You bet. PTSD. Anxiety. Depression. No doubt many suicides. But not talked about. Not covered in the media.

All that secret suffering. If a woman suffers because of her abortion, we're not allowed to talk about it. The media lies and says it never even happens.

The number 63 million you might have passed over. How many is that? Nearly the population of the United Kingdom. That's a lot of dead babies.

But lets talk about the babies as individuals. Each was a boy or girl with a unique place in God's heart. Every time we killed a baby, it hurt God so deeply we can't even imagine it. God's love for that child was infinite, so his suffering was infinite too.

Perhaps it would be easier to imagine God's suffering as Christ's suffering on the cross. Every time a baby was killed it was like driving a nail deeper into Christ's hands and feet, or lashing him again, or piercing him deeper with the spear.

Did we gain anything with all these abortions?

Feminists claim abortions liberate women. If a woman kills her child, she is free to do other things like have a career. Women can be pleased to know they have more time to spend at the office because they've killed their child.

Abortions benefit men even more than women. A man is free to have sex with a woman, and if she gets pregnant, an abortion fixes it so he doesn't have to help her raise a child as its father. A man never has to grow up so long as he can convince the women he has sex with to have abortions.

Do abortions help the children of a woman she doesn't abort? You might argue they do, their mother has more time to spend with them if she doesn't have that baby. But children might wonder whether it was only dumb luck that they weren't aborted themselves.

Abortion doesn't end with the reversal of Roe v. Wade, the issue returns to the states. Most states will pass laws putting some restrictions on abortion, or abolishing it. Some states will keep it legal, or expand abortion rights to make it legal to kill infants, as New York has already done.

I ask God to forgive every woman who's had an abortion, and all the men who've paid for an abortion, and all the doctors who've performed abortions. As a Christian I must make that prayer because God requires me to forgive.

But a person must repent to be forgiven. If you've had an abortion, or paid for one, or performed one, will you repent?

It's not too late.

The only damage is that yet to come the consequence of Roe being overturned.