No pat downs for Boehner

[boedicca]

I'm going to hazard a guess that if Boehner attempted a terrorist attack on the plane, the Secret Service Detail assigned to guard him would take him down.

He's not a threat. The issue is not that Boehner is being escorted through the gate - it's why passengers who are not threats are put through this Kabuki Security procedure.

 

[rightwinger]

Updated Representative John A. Boehner, soon to be the Speaker of the House, has pledged to fly commercial airlines back to his home district in Ohio. But that does not mean that he will be subjected to the hassles of ordinary passengers, including the controversial security pat-downs.

As he left Washington on Friday, Mr. Boehner headed across the Potomac River to Reagan National Airport, which was bustling with afternoon travelers. But there was no waiting in line for Mr. Boehner, who was escorted around the metal detectors and body scanners, and taken directly to the gate.


No Security Pat-Downs for Boehner - NYTimes.com

Typical Republican....different rules for them and "regular people"

the radioman post applies to them all, I didn't see a clause opting any party affiliation out. Unless of course you can provide an example of a dem. volunteering for a pat down, you know,so they can identify with the regular people?

Is there ANYTHING you don't see in terms of partisanship?

Where are all the 28th Amendment crowd??

You know...the ones who insist that all the rules that apply to us, apply to Congress?

 

[boedicca]

Pilots and crew bypass the main security line as well.

Boehner travels now with a Secret Service Detail. It would cause more inconvenience for other passengers to have to implement additional security procedures when he is waiting in line than to have him go through the crew gate.

Again, the real issue is why citizens are being subjected to intrusive searches in the name of security. That's the Constitutional Issue.

 

[Trajan]

Typical Republican....different rules for them and "regular people"

the radioman post applies to them all, I didn't see a clause opting any party affiliation out. Unless of course you can provide an example of a dem. volunteering for a pat down, you know,so they can identify with the regular people?

Is there ANYTHING you don't see in terms of partisanship?

Where are all the 28th Amendment crowd??

You know...the ones who insist that all the rules that apply to us, apply to Congress?

don't try that dude. its cheap.

 

[Modbert]

People seem to be missing the point that if Boehner and other Congresscritters had to go through the same things that many passengers on airlines go through, then the TSA would of been dealt with a long time ago.

 

[Modbert]

don't try that dude. its cheap.

Cheap? Perhaps, but dead on. This would be a perfect example where laws that don't apply to congressmen and congresswomen apply to everybody else.

 

[Modbert]

Again, the real issue is why citizens are being subjected to intrusive searches in the name of security. That's the Constitutional Issue.

Well after 9/11, many people railing against these intrusive searches currently were cheering as the Government dismantled our civil liberties piece by piece. Things like the Patriot Act make what the TSA is doing possible. I place the blame squarely on those who supported such measures in the first place. Only now, over 9 years later, are they seeing the error of their ways.

 

[boedicca]

Modbert doesn't grok the concept of profiling.

 

[Modbert]

Modbert doesn't grok the concept of profiling.

Yes, I understand you probably wish to racially profile anyone that even looks like a Muslim. However, let me know how racial profiling would of stopped the Oklahoma City Bombing. Better yet, let me know when you bother to realize that the hijackers on 9/11 weren't wearing Muslim garb but in reality suits.

 

[Ravi]

The law applies both parts of the trip if Congress is in session.

Wait lets make this simple, shall we? You are opposed to members of Congress traveling unhindered on commercial aircraft, is that true?

Please show me in the constitution where it is stated that Congress people get special treatment in this manner. Then explain when you turned into a Stalinist that supports special treatment for government officials but none for free marketers and citizens.

Article 1, section 6.

(The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.) (The preceding words in parentheses were modified by the 27th Amendment.) They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

A pat down isn't an arrest...and how would we know if a felony or treasonous act was being committed without the pat down?

Also, for the safety of the Congress and innocent fellow passengers it would be prudent to make sure a bomb wasn't slipped into a pocket by some terrorist.

 

[boedicca]

Modbert doesn't grok the concept of profiling.

Yes, I understand you probably wish to racially profile anyone that even looks like a Muslim. However, let me know how racial profiling would of stopped the Oklahoma City Bombing. Better yet, let me know when you bother to realize that the hijackers on 9/11 weren't wearing Muslim garb but in reality suits.

There's the proof that you don't understand what profiling is.

Any competent police officer will tell you that profiling involves a variety of factors, including behavior (which imo, is the most important one). If you think it is limited race profiling, you are just demonstrating how well the education system has brainwashed you.

And, playing the RACE CARD is an admission of defeat.

Now, go play in traffic.

 

[Moon]

Modbert doesn't grok the concept of profiling.

Yes, I understand you probably wish to racially profile anyone that even looks like a Muslim. However, let me know how racial profiling would of stopped the Oklahoma City Bombing. Better yet, let me know when you bother to realize that the hijackers on 9/11 weren't wearing Muslim garb but in reality suits.

Which airport security checkpoint did Timothy McVeigh go through with his Ryder truck full of explosives?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

I don't like it when Government officials are exempted from the rules the rest of us have to go by. If nothing else, it is a learning experience so they know not to pass stupid laws in the first place.

In this case, it might even be considered a bribe.

 

[Modbert]

Which airport security checkpoint did Timothy McVeigh go through with his Ryder truck full of explosives?

Whoosh. You missed the point.

 

[boedicca]

I wonder how often any of you fly.

I travel quite a bit for business. In international airports, the people who pay for first class and premium tickets are often provided with special security lines to get through the crowd more quickly. I've seen special passes for know frequent flyers at some that allow the holder to go through an area where they bypass the searches altogether. (The U.S. at one point had such a pre-screened type of pilot program for frequent flyers - not sure what happened to it.)

Boehner is flying first class. If I paid for a first class ticket, I would expect something for the incremental $Ks cost besides free beverages.

 

[Trajan]

don't try that dude. its cheap.

Cheap? Perhaps, but dead on. This would be a perfect example where laws that don't apply to congressmen and congresswomen apply to everybody else.

as fas as searching them? I cannot agree, I don't see any basis for it.

Now the travel as to cost etc.? I agree wholeheartedly. hastert pelosi though their positions basally required special handling, were allowed to to fly their family member's for 120--400 bucks in a private jet is obscene, we are picking up the rest of that tab.

 

[Modbert]

There's the proof that you don't understand what profiling is.

Any competent police officer will tell you that profiling involves a variety of factors, including behavior (which imo, is the most important one). If you think it is limited race profiling, you are just demonstrating how well the education system has brainwashed you.

And, playing the RACE CARD is an admission of defeat.

Now, go play in traffic.

I understand what profiling is thanks. I also understand the kind of profiling you want. You're part of the problem. I'm willing to bet 2-1 you supported the Patriot Act and may still do so but may not be willing to admit it.

Again, the hijackers on 9/11 were described to be calm if not happy-go-lucky. Are we going to pull people who are calm and happy-go-lucky out of line?

 

[DaGoose]

I may be in the minority here but I have no problem with Senators and Congressmen flying on private jets and/or circumventing traffic laws if they are on official business. How would you like it if YOUR representative could not make an emergency session because he or she couldn't get a flight on a plane?

On the other hand.....in this day and age I don't really see the need for any of them to reside in Washington. Why not teleconference and save the money?

 

[boedicca]

Which airport security checkpoint did Timothy McVeigh go through with his Ryder truck full of explosives?

Whoosh. You missed the point.

No bub. You did.

 

[Ravi]

I wonder how often any of you fly.

I travel quite a bit for business. In international airports, the people who pay for first class and premium tickets are often provided with special security lines to get through the crowd more quickly. I've seen special passes at some that allow the holder to go through an area where they bypass the searches altogether.

Boehner is flying first class. If I paid for a first class ticket, I would expect something for the incremental $Ks cost besides free beverages.

Please provide a link to back this up.

In our country, America, the only special lines first class passengers get are at the ticket counter. Everyone gets in the same line to go through security.

Except the wheelchair bound, of course.