New EPA head Scott Pruitt rejects CO2 as primary cause of global warming

[Old Rocks]

H

Here's my question for Lefty:

You understand the question revealed that you're not very smart, right?

When are you going to march in the streets to protest Beer Bubbles and demand Americans drink Flat Beer, Flat Sodas, Flat Champagne, Eat Flat Bread, and demand the banning of all cheese, cake, yogurts and other foods with active cultures or that require CO2 as part of the process of their being made?

So, why did you think that question wasn't retarded? Because it was.

All those things you listed are insignificant CO2 sources. Nobody except you denier cranks have ever demanded an end to all CO2 emissions, and nobody knows why you make such stupid demands.

I'm waiting for your explanation of this.

Scientists have found something about the North Pole that could send a shiver down Santa's spine: It used to be downright balmy.

In fact, 55 million years ago the Arctic was once a lot like Miami, with an average temperature of 74 degrees, alligator ancestors and palm trees, scientists say.
Study: North Pole Once Was Tropical

He won`t give you nothing but b.s. as an answer.
I`ve been up there myself and posted pictures of stumps that are what was remaining of a huge forest of equally huge trees that have been sheared off by the glaciers that killed them later.
They are all along the Nares Straight both on the Ellesmere Island side and on the Greenland coast.

Mummified Forest Found on Treeless Arctic Island

An ancient mummified forest, complete with well-preserved logs, leaves, and seedpods, has been discovered deep in the Canadian Arctic, scientists say.


The dry, frigid site is now surrounded by glaciers and is completely treeless, except for a few bonsai-size dwarf trees. (See Arctic aerial pictures.)

The forest was discovered recently by a research team who'd heard a surprising story from rangers in Quttinirpaaq National Park. The park is located on Ellesmere Island (see map), one of the world's northernmost landmasses.

The rangers had come across wood scattered on the ground from much larger trees than the few dwarfs currently in the area, including logs that were several feet long.

"Walking through the area, they're everywhere," said Joel Barker, an environmental scientist at Ohio State University who's leading a study of the mummified forest. "You'd have trouble not tripping over them."

The park rangers "had no idea what they were," but Barker suspected they must be millions of years old.

When Barker and colleagues found where the scattered logs were coming from—a slope that had been eroded by a river—they dug in and found many more logs, as well as leaves and seedpods.

"When we started pulling leaves out of the soil, that was surreal, to know that it's millions of years old and that you can hold it in your hand," Barker said at an annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco earlier this week.

Ecosystem on the Edge?

The mummified trees were likely preserved so long because they were buried quickly by landslides and thus protected from air and water, which hastens decomposition.

Not by glaciers, but by landslides. The glaciers came later, after all the remaining trees had died.

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh.....whats this......... ......more news in todays REALCLEARENERGY................


Carbon Dioxide Could Reach 410 PPM This Month
By Brian Kahn

A never-ending stream of carbon pollution ensures that each year the world continues to break records for carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. This year will be no different.

Like a rite of spring, carbon dioxide is poised to cruise pass the previous mark set last year and reach heights unseen in human history. In the coming weeks, carbon dioxide will start to breach the 410 parts per million threshold on a daily basis at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii. The monthly average for May could come close to topping 410 ppm, too, according to the U.K. Met Office’s inaugural carbon dioxide forecast, released last week.


Carbon Dioxide Could Reach 410 PPM This Month



Guess what?

The k00ks have been saying this for years and years now...............



BUT NOBODY IS CARING S0NS........

Earth's CO2 Home Page

Since CO2 only hit 390 in 2010, how could anyone have been saying that saying that CO2 would hit 410 next year for years and years?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

H

Here's my question for Lefty:

You understand the question revealed that you're not very smart, right?

When are you going to march in the streets to protest Beer Bubbles and demand Americans drink Flat Beer, Flat Sodas, Flat Champagne, Eat Flat Bread, and demand the banning of all cheese, cake, yogurts and other foods with active cultures or that require CO2 as part of the process of their being made?

So, why did you think that question wasn't retarded? Because it was.

All those things you listed are insignificant CO2 sources. Nobody except you denier cranks have ever demanded an end to all CO2 emissions, and nobody knows why you make such stupid demands.

I'm waiting for your explanation of this.

Scientists have found something about the North Pole that could send a shiver down Santa's spine: It used to be downright balmy.

In fact, 55 million years ago the Arctic was once a lot like Miami, with an average temperature of 74 degrees, alligator ancestors and palm trees, scientists say.
Study: North Pole Once Was Tropical

He won`t give you nothing but b.s. as an answer.
I`ve been up there myself and posted pictures of stumps that are what was remaining of a huge forest of equally huge trees that have been sheared off by the glaciers that killed them later.
They are all along the Nares Straight both on the Ellesmere Island side and on the Greenland coast.

Mummified Forest Found on Treeless Arctic Island

An ancient mummified forest, complete with well-preserved logs, leaves, and seedpods, has been discovered deep in the Canadian Arctic, scientists say.


The dry, frigid site is now surrounded by glaciers and is completely treeless, except for a few bonsai-size dwarf trees. (See Arctic aerial pictures.)

The forest was discovered recently by a research team who'd heard a surprising story from rangers in Quttinirpaaq National Park. The park is located on Ellesmere Island (see map), one of the world's northernmost landmasses.

The rangers had come across wood scattered on the ground from much larger trees than the few dwarfs currently in the area, including logs that were several feet long.

"Walking through the area, they're everywhere," said Joel Barker, an environmental scientist at Ohio State University who's leading a study of the mummified forest. "You'd have trouble not tripping over them."

The park rangers "had no idea what they were," but Barker suspected they must be millions of years old.

When Barker and colleagues found where the scattered logs were coming from—a slope that had been eroded by a river—they dug in and found many more logs, as well as leaves and seedpods.

"When we started pulling leaves out of the soil, that was surreal, to know that it's millions of years old and that you can hold it in your hand," Barker said at an annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco earlier this week.

Ecosystem on the Edge?

The mummified trees were likely preserved so long because they were buried quickly by landslides and thus protected from air and water, which hastens decomposition.

Not by glaciers, but by landslides. The glaciers came later, after all the remaining trees had died.

55 million year old leaves? Riiiight

 

[Old Rocks]

I take it that you are aware that Global Warming frequently PRECEEDED increases in CO2.

Yes. I take it you're aware that bringing up that red herring doesn't reflect well on your ability to use logic. The present is not constrained to act like the past if conditions at the present time are different, and conditions are different.

Are you aware that other planets in our Solar System are warming? SUV's?

Are you aware the sun is cooling, and that we thus know with 100% certainty the warming is not caused by solar changes?

Probably not, as apparently your political cult didn't see fit to inform you of that. They withheld information from you, a form of dishonesty. Why would they do that, do you think?

And why do you ask so many irrelevant questions? Is that how your [you] were trained to deflect from the actual topic?

How is the FACT that Global Warming has frequently PRECEEDED increases in CO2 when the discussion is about CO2...and Global Warming a red herring?

I said the other planets in our solar system are warming. Where did I mention the Sun warming or cooling? Aren't those examples your way of a diversion?

How is man's supposed increase in CO2 increasing the temperature of the other planets in our Solar System?

So you said without posting any links to credible sources. These planets, just like us, have only two ways to warm. Receive more energy from the sun, or retain more of that energy. Since the sun is presently experiencing a slight decrease in output, how do you propose that is warming all the planets.

 

[Old Rocks]

He says it is very difficult to measure actual human influence and that the research and the debate need to carry on.

Then he canned the entire climate research department and explained to his interviewer why the EPA itself should be disbanded.

"Giving pink slips to scientists across the federal government, including 43% of EPA scientists, and proposing to eliminate the US Climate Global Research Program in its entirety makes one question who this administration will rely on for scientific research and facts." --Gina McCarthy, former EPA head

"Pruitt loves baseball so put it this way: An EPA head denying science is like [Derek] Jeter refusing to use a bat. He'd be fired and so should Pruitt," -- Michael Brune, Executive Head of the Sierra Club.

What an admirable bunch are American conservatives under the leadership of an ignorant, mentally unstable fool like Donald Trump. Exceptionally so. Eh?

He's correct. To date there is ZERO empirical evidence to support the theory. Just screaming "CONSENSUS" doesn't make it so...

And that is why all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world have policy statements that state AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

 

[Old Rocks]

H

Here's my question for Lefty:

You understand the question revealed that you're not very smart, right?

When are you going to march in the streets to protest Beer Bubbles and demand Americans drink Flat Beer, Flat Sodas, Flat Champagne, Eat Flat Bread, and demand the banning of all cheese, cake, yogurts and other foods with active cultures or that require CO2 as part of the process of their being made?

So, why did you think that question wasn't retarded? Because it was.

All those things you listed are insignificant CO2 sources. Nobody except you denier cranks have ever demanded an end to all CO2 emissions, and nobody knows why you make such stupid demands.

I'm waiting for your explanation of this.

Scientists have found something about the North Pole that could send a shiver down Santa's spine: It used to be downright balmy.

In fact, 55 million years ago the Arctic was once a lot like Miami, with an average temperature of 74 degrees, alligator ancestors and palm trees, scientists say.
Study: North Pole Once Was Tropical

He won`t give you nothing but b.s. as an answer.
I`ve been up there myself and posted pictures of stumps that are what was remaining of a huge forest of equally huge trees that have been sheared off by the glaciers that killed them later.
They are all along the Nares Straight both on the Ellesmere Island side and on the Greenland coast.

Mummified Forest Found on Treeless Arctic Island

An ancient mummified forest, complete with well-preserved logs, leaves, and seedpods, has been discovered deep in the Canadian Arctic, scientists say.


The dry, frigid site is now surrounded by glaciers and is completely treeless, except for a few bonsai-size dwarf trees. (See Arctic aerial pictures.)

The forest was discovered recently by a research team who'd heard a surprising story from rangers in Quttinirpaaq National Park. The park is located on Ellesmere Island (see map), one of the world's northernmost landmasses.

The rangers had come across wood scattered on the ground from much larger trees than the few dwarfs currently in the area, including logs that were several feet long.

"Walking through the area, they're everywhere," said Joel Barker, an environmental scientist at Ohio State University who's leading a study of the mummified forest. "You'd have trouble not tripping over them."

The park rangers "had no idea what they were," but Barker suspected they must be millions of years old.

When Barker and colleagues found where the scattered logs were coming from—a slope that had been eroded by a river—they dug in and found many more logs, as well as leaves and seedpods.

"When we started pulling leaves out of the soil, that was surreal, to know that it's millions of years old and that you can hold it in your hand," Barker said at an annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco earlier this week.

Ecosystem on the Edge?

The mummified trees were likely preserved so long because they were buried quickly by landslides and thus protected from air and water, which hastens decomposition.

Not by glaciers, but by landslides. The glaciers came later, after all the remaining trees had died.

55 million year old leaves? Riiiight

Of course you could have read the next few paragraphs.

Mummified Forest Found on Treeless Arctic Island

By studying features of the logs, leaves, and seedpods, the team identified some tree species, including pine, birch, and spruce. (See pictures of interesting tree patterns.)

The mummified forest seems to resemble modern forests growing hundreds of miles to the south, suggesting the forest must have grown during a time when the Arctic was much warmer, Barker said.

Based on the tree species, the scientists think the forest lived between ten and two million years ago.

 

[skookerasbil]

Yet another reason Pruitts team can blast the EPA up the ass with multiple bumpy cucumbers...........growing glaciers s0ns >

http://www.longrangeweather.com/ArticleArchives/GreenlandIceSheet.htm



Who knew so many of the large ice sheets are expanding!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

Nor are these the oldest to be found;

https://idahonativeplants.org/news/SageNotesFeb2010.pdf

Lake Clarkia Fossil Sites By Bill Rember [The Clarkia Fossil Beds are near the fossil sites that will be visited during the 2010 INPS Annual Meeting at Heyburn State Park. – Ed.] In the summer of 1972 Francis Keinbaum was building a snowmobile racetrack near the town of Clarkia, ID. Working late in the evening with a bulldozer, he removed part of a small knoll. The next morning he saw blocks of clay covered with many leaves. Thinking they may be of some scientific importance he called the geology department at the University of Idaho. At that time Jack Smiley, a paleobotanist, was the department’s paleontologist. This discovery started research on one of the world’s richest fossil finds. Research during the past 35 years has resulted in many thesis and dissertations. The research also revealed the extent of a Miocene lake and the discovery of five additional sites.

The lake was formed approximately 15 million years ago by the volcanic damming of a drainage basin very similar to the present day St Maries River Basin. The ancient lake was relatively narrow and was as deep as 100 to 150 meters. Because of cold, anoxic bottom water and a high rate of sedimentation, the preservation of the biota was excellent. During the last 15 million years this area of the northwest has remained tectonically stable, resulting in little post depositional change of any of the fossils trapped in the sediments. Leaves often show the original fall colors (brown, red, and yellow). Rarely some will appear green. The organic chemistry unique in each modern taxon correlates well with similar fossil species.

 

[Markle]

Oh.....whats this......... ......more news in todays REALCLEARENERGY................


Carbon Dioxide Could Reach 410 PPM This Month
By Brian Kahn

A never-ending stream of carbon pollution ensures that each year the world continues to break records for carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. This year will be no different.

Like a rite of spring, carbon dioxide is poised to cruise pass the previous mark set last year and reach heights unseen in human history. In the coming weeks, carbon dioxide will start to breach the 410 parts per million threshold on a daily basis at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii. The monthly average for May could come close to topping 410 ppm, too, according to the U.K. Met Office’s inaugural carbon dioxide forecast, released last week.


Carbon Dioxide Could Reach 410 PPM This Month



Guess what?

The k00ks have been saying this for years and years now...............



BUT NOBODY IS CARING S0NS........

Earth's CO2 Home Page

Since CO2 only hit 390 in 2010, how could anyone have been saying that saying that CO2 would hit 410 next year for years and years?

What was it when the Vikings colonized Greenland on their way to North America?

Is the Airborne Fraction of Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide Increasing?
ScienceDaily (Dec. 31, 2009) — Most of the carbon dioxide emitted by human activity does not remain in the atmosphere, but is instead absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial ecosystems. In fact, only about 45 percent of emitted carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere.

[…]

To assess whether the airborne fraction is indeed increasing, Wolfgang Knorr of the Department of Earth Sciences at the University of Bristol reanalyzed available atmospheric carbon dioxide and emissions data since 1850 and considers the uncertainties in the data.

In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

The research is published in Geophysical Research Letters.

Read more: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm

 

[westwall]

He says it is very difficult to measure actual human influence and that the research and the debate need to carry on.

Then he canned the entire climate research department and explained to his interviewer why the EPA itself should be disbanded.

"Giving pink slips to scientists across the federal government, including 43% of EPA scientists, and proposing to eliminate the US Climate Global Research Program in its entirety makes one question who this administration will rely on for scientific research and facts." --Gina McCarthy, former EPA head

"Pruitt loves baseball so put it this way: An EPA head denying science is like [Derek] Jeter refusing to use a bat. He'd be fired and so should Pruitt," -- Michael Brune, Executive Head of the Sierra Club.

What an admirable bunch are American conservatives under the leadership of an ignorant, mentally unstable fool like Donald Trump. Exceptionally so. Eh?

He's correct. To date there is ZERO empirical evidence to support the theory. Just screaming "CONSENSUS" doesn't make it so...

And that is why all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world have policy statements that state AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

Did you know that every drug addict says that they are able to quit aaaaaaannny time they want to. They are as credible as any group who gets their funding based upon their support for the AGW fraud..

 

[Kosh]

CO2 does not affect climate, never has!

 

[skookerasbil]

l......another huge bumpy dished out by the president yesterday!!

Trump Seeks to Cut State Department, UN for `America First'
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• Budget calls for 29% cut from State, USAID from fiscal 2016
• Proposal would scrap climate change fund, refugee assistance

Trump Seeks to Cut State Department, UN for `America First'






Told you assholes you would be losing........all your science isn't mattering for dick in the real world

 

[mudwhistle]

Water vapor is the primary cause of so-called Global Warming

And how did that work out for Venus

The clouds on Venus are Sulfric Acid.
The atmosphere is 96% CO2. I don't think there are any plants or bodies of water there.

 

[mudwhistle]

Hilarious how someone like me comes at this from a logical and factual angle and we get "Religious Arguments" from the Left.

Here's my question for Lefty:

When are you going to march in the streets to protest Beer Bubbles and demand Americans drink Flat Beer, Flat Sodas, Flat Champagne, Eat Flat Bread, and demand the banning of all cheese, cake, yogurts and other foods with active cultures or that require CO2 as part of the process of their being made?

Congrats lefty, not only are you at war with America you apparently are engaged in a Jihad against Beer Bubbles!

And you wonder why people laugh at you.

No, TOT, they are laughing at people so dumb as to think what you just posted was in any way logical. The problem is fossil carbon. Carbon that is not currently in the atmosphere.

Oh really.....only fossil carbon is poison? Hmmmmm..........

How convenient too.

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh.....whats this......... ......more news in todays REALCLEARENERGY................


Carbon Dioxide Could Reach 410 PPM This Month
By Brian Kahn

A never-ending stream of carbon pollution ensures that each year the world continues to break records for carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. This year will be no different.

Like a rite of spring, carbon dioxide is poised to cruise pass the previous mark set last year and reach heights unseen in human history. In the coming weeks, carbon dioxide will start to breach the 410 parts per million threshold on a daily basis at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii. The monthly average for May could come close to topping 410 ppm, too, according to the U.K. Met Office’s inaugural carbon dioxide forecast, released last week.


Carbon Dioxide Could Reach 410 PPM This Month



Guess what?

The k00ks have been saying this for years and years now...............



BUT NOBODY IS CARING S0NS........

Earth's CO2 Home Page

Since CO2 only hit 390 in 2010, how could anyone have been saying that saying that CO2 would hit 410 next year for years and years?

What was it when the Vikings colonized Greenland on their way to North America?

Is the Airborne Fraction of Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide Increasing?
ScienceDaily (Dec. 31, 2009) — Most of the carbon dioxide emitted by human activity does not remain in the atmosphere, but is instead absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial ecosystems. In fact, only about 45 percent of emitted carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere.

[…]

To assess whether the airborne fraction is indeed increasing, Wolfgang Knorr of the Department of Earth Sciences at the University of Bristol reanalyzed available atmospheric carbon dioxide and emissions data since 1850 and considers the uncertainties in the data.

In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

The research is published in Geophysical Research Letters.

Read more: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm

Very interesting, except;

 

[miketx]

He says it is very difficult to measure actual human influence and that the research and the debate need to carry on.

Then he canned the entire climate research department and explained to his interviewer why the EPA itself should be disbanded.

"Giving pink slips to scientists across the federal government, including 43% of EPA scientists, and proposing to eliminate the US Climate Global Research Program in its entirety makes one question who this administration will rely on for scientific research and facts." --Gina McCarthy, former EPA head

"Pruitt loves baseball so put it this way: An EPA head denying science is like [Derek] Jeter refusing to use a bat. He'd be fired and so should Pruitt," -- Michael Brune, Executive Head of the Sierra Club.

What an admirable bunch are American conservatives under the leadership of an ignorant, mentally unstable fool like Donald Trump. Exceptionally so. Eh?

Sounds like someone who finally rejects all the left wing liars bullshit. Finally. Get all those cricked fools out!

 

[Old Rocks]

So, Lysenkoism rears it's ugly head in the American political system. And our putrid ignoramouses and whores sing along with the chorus. You know, the scientists are not going to go against the evidence that they have presented. And, if our system defunds science, there are many other first world nations that will be glad to welcome them. All this means is that we will see our nation become a scientific backwater as science and education is defunded under the orange bozo and his fascists.

 

[Dr Grump]

Water vapor is the primary cause of so-called Global Warming

And how did that work out for Venus

The clouds on Venus are Sulfric Acid.
The atmosphere is 96% CO2. I don't think there are any plants or bodies of water there.

Same effect though...

 

[Dr Grump]

[ They are as credible as any group who gets their funding based upon their support for the AGW fraud..

Total utter BS. Said like somebody who has no idea of the mindset of a scientist. Some loon states this whole AGW is all about funding a few years ago and you deniers swallow it like some Kool Aid sipping whackjob.

Do you know how big a conspiracy would have to be for the vast majority of them to come to the same conclusion.

 

[healthmyths]

So, Lysenkoism rears it's ugly head in the American political system. And our putrid ignoramouses and whores sing along with the chorus. You know, the scientists are not going to go against the evidence that they have presented. And, if our system defunds science, there are many other first world nations that will be glad to welcome them. All this means is that we will see our nation become a scientific backwater as science and education is defunded under the orange bozo and his fascists.

WOW... Now I KNOW are educational system is in the crapper! Really?

new study of 150 students in Oklahoma, most of whom are Hispanic, proves that only 31 of them or 1 out of 5, knows how to read a clock or watch properly. Inexcusable! Kal Korff reports.