My personal little nightmare scenario is playing out in real time.

[Mac1958]

Desperately searching for a silver lining for Trump's win in November, I was hoping that the Democratic party's deep nationwide debacle would force it to look inward and realize that its cynical commitment to Identity Politics played a significant role in its demise. Maybe the party would realize that it could do just fine electorally by stopping its obsession on splitting us into little grievance groups as part of their decades-long "divide and conquer" approach.

In short, I was hoping that Trump's shocking win would lead to a Reformation of the Democratic Party.

But I knew - and said here many times - that there was one (1) thing that could stop that from happening, and that would be if Trump screwed up so quickly and so completely and so badly that the Democrats would not have to go through a Reformation, that the Regressives who control the party would be able to just jump right back in the saddle in 2018/2020 and continue on with their crusade.

Well, so far, my little nightmare scenario - Trump screwing up bigly in office and the Regressives licking their chops - is playing out just as I feared.

Maybe I'll take up gardening, huh?


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Hello, you stupid hack. You point out how bad the progressives are with identity politics and you then pivot and don't see nearly everything they claim about Trump has been a lie?

From Russian hacking to racism claims.

How the fuck you can't see that is all the democrats have been since really the 60s, is beyond me.


Here is an actual list of accomplishments within the first 100 days. The press ignored ALL of that OR they have ALL of the credit to obama.
* The DOW daily closing stock market average has risen 18% since the election on November 8th. (On November 9th the DOW closed at 18,332 – yesterday on July 19th the DOW closed at 21,641 for another all time stock market closing high).
* Since the election the DOW has set a new all time closing high one out of every four days the market is open!
* Since the Inauguration on January 20th the DOW is up 9%. (It was at 19,827 at January 20th.)
* The DOW took just 66 days to climb from 19,000 to above 21,000, the fastest 2,000 point run ever. The DOW closed above 19,000 for the first time on November 22nd and closed above 21,000 on March 1st.

* The DOW closed above 20,000 on January 25th and the March 1st rally matched the fastest-ever 1,000 point increase in the DOW at 24 days.
* On February 28th President Trump matched President Reagan’s 1987 record for most continuous closing high trading days when the DOW reached a new high for its 12th day in a row!
* The S&P 500 and the NASDAQ have both set new all-time highs during this period.
* The US Stock Market gained $4 trillion in wealth since Trump was elected!
* The S&P 500 also broke $20 Trillion for the first time in its history.

As of today, the US Debt has decreased under President Trump since his inauguration by (-$103) Billion. (President Obama increased the US debt in his first 6 months more than $974 Billion or nearly $1 Trillion.) The difference between Presidents Trump and Obama is more than $1 Trillion.

Jobs

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics President Trump added a projected 1,027,000 jobs in his first six months (January through June 2017.) President Obama on the other hand lost more than 3,826,000 million jobs in his first six months.

Unemployment

Also according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the unemployment rate since President Trump’s inauguration decreased from 4.8% to 4.4% (January through June 2017). The unemployment rate in January 2017 was 4.8% and by June it was down to 4.4%. Unemployment under President Obama on the other hand moved in the opposite direction. In his first six months as President the US unemployment rate increased each month from 7.8% in January 2009 to 9.5% by June of 2009.

Inflation

As noted earlier this week, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics the US inflation rate decreased to an eight month low in June to 1.6%. This is in part due to President Trump’s energy policies that are helping average Americans with cheaper gas and electricity.

Housing Sales

Housing sales are red-hot in the US right now. In 2011, houses for sale were on the market an average 84 days. This year, it’s just 45 days.

According to the US Census Bureau, there were nearly twice as many US housing sales in the past couple of months as there were under President Obama in 2009 during the same time period. (The annualized housing sales rate for May 2017 is reported at 610,000 where in 2009 this amount was only 376,000.)


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You see how the left media has been caught in lie after lie after lie, you see the PC politics being played, and you stick with the notion that it is Trump's screw ups?

I'm sure that's all very interesting, but I tuned out after the first sentence.

But thanks for all that effort.
.

The problem is that you care more about your specific ideal mannerism than accomplishments. That's a recipe for disaster.

I just know that behaviors can affect outcomes.

As we're seeing.
.

 

[Norman]

Desperately searching for a silver lining for Trump's win in November, I was hoping that the Democratic party's deep nationwide debacle would force it to look inward and realize that its cynical commitment to Identity Politics played a significant role in its demise. Maybe the party would realize that it could do just fine electorally by stopping its obsession on splitting us into little grievance groups as part of their decades-long "divide and conquer" approach.

In short, I was hoping that Trump's shocking win would lead to a Reformation of the Democratic Party.

But I knew - and said here many times - that there was one (1) thing that could stop that from happening, and that would be if Trump screwed up so quickly and so completely and so badly that the Democrats would not have to go through a Reformation, that the Regressives who control the party would be able to just jump right back in the saddle in 2018/2020 and continue on with their crusade.

Well, so far, my little nightmare scenario - Trump screwing up bigly in office and the Regressives licking their chops - is playing out just as I feared.

Maybe I'll take up gardening, huh?


.

Hello, you stupid hack. You point out how bad the progressives are with identity politics and you then pivot and don't see nearly everything they claim about Trump has been a lie?

From Russian hacking to racism claims.

How the fuck you can't see that is all the democrats have been since really the 60s, is beyond me.


Here is an actual list of accomplishments within the first 100 days. The press ignored ALL of that OR they have ALL of the credit to obama.
* The DOW daily closing stock market average has risen 18% since the election on November 8th. (On November 9th the DOW closed at 18,332 – yesterday on July 19th the DOW closed at 21,641 for another all time stock market closing high).
* Since the election the DOW has set a new all time closing high one out of every four days the market is open!
* Since the Inauguration on January 20th the DOW is up 9%. (It was at 19,827 at January 20th.)
* The DOW took just 66 days to climb from 19,000 to above 21,000, the fastest 2,000 point run ever. The DOW closed above 19,000 for the first time on November 22nd and closed above 21,000 on March 1st.

* The DOW closed above 20,000 on January 25th and the March 1st rally matched the fastest-ever 1,000 point increase in the DOW at 24 days.
* On February 28th President Trump matched President Reagan’s 1987 record for most continuous closing high trading days when the DOW reached a new high for its 12th day in a row!
* The S&P 500 and the NASDAQ have both set new all-time highs during this period.
* The US Stock Market gained $4 trillion in wealth since Trump was elected!
* The S&P 500 also broke $20 Trillion for the first time in its history.

As of today, the US Debt has decreased under President Trump since his inauguration by (-$103) Billion. (President Obama increased the US debt in his first 6 months more than $974 Billion or nearly $1 Trillion.) The difference between Presidents Trump and Obama is more than $1 Trillion.

Jobs

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics President Trump added a projected 1,027,000 jobs in his first six months (January through June 2017.) President Obama on the other hand lost more than 3,826,000 million jobs in his first six months.

Unemployment

Also according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the unemployment rate since President Trump’s inauguration decreased from 4.8% to 4.4% (January through June 2017). The unemployment rate in January 2017 was 4.8% and by June it was down to 4.4%. Unemployment under President Obama on the other hand moved in the opposite direction. In his first six months as President the US unemployment rate increased each month from 7.8% in January 2009 to 9.5% by June of 2009.

Inflation

As noted earlier this week, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics the US inflation rate decreased to an eight month low in June to 1.6%. This is in part due to President Trump’s energy policies that are helping average Americans with cheaper gas and electricity.

Housing Sales

Housing sales are red-hot in the US right now. In 2011, houses for sale were on the market an average 84 days. This year, it’s just 45 days.

According to the US Census Bureau, there were nearly twice as many US housing sales in the past couple of months as there were under President Obama in 2009 during the same time period. (The annualized housing sales rate for May 2017 is reported at 610,000 where in 2009 this amount was only 376,000.)


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You see how the left media has been caught in lie after lie after lie, you see the PC politics being played, and you stick with the notion that it is Trump's screw ups?

I'm sure that's all very interesting, but I tuned out after the first sentence.

But thanks for all that effort.
.

The problem is that you care more about your specific ideal mannerism than accomplishments. That's a recipe for disaster.

I just know that behaviors can affect outcomes.

As we're seeing.
.

Indeed, Trump's undoubted effectiveness is proof enough. Note that I didn't say that behaviors didn't matter, Trump's behavior is excellent for the situation, as the results show.

 

[Mac1958]

Desperately searching for a silver lining for Trump's win in November, I was hoping that the Democratic party's deep nationwide debacle would force it to look inward and realize that its cynical commitment to Identity Politics played a significant role in its demise. Maybe the party would realize that it could do just fine electorally by stopping its obsession on splitting us into little grievance groups as part of their decades-long "divide and conquer" approach.

In short, I was hoping that Trump's shocking win would lead to a Reformation of the Democratic Party.

But I knew - and said here many times - that there was one (1) thing that could stop that from happening, and that would be if Trump screwed up so quickly and so completely and so badly that the Democrats would not have to go through a Reformation, that the Regressives who control the party would be able to just jump right back in the saddle in 2018/2020 and continue on with their crusade.

Well, so far, my little nightmare scenario - Trump screwing up bigly in office and the Regressives licking their chops - is playing out just as I feared.

Maybe I'll take up gardening, huh?


.

Hello, you stupid hack. You point out how bad the progressives are with identity politics and you then pivot and don't see nearly everything they claim about Trump has been a lie?

From Russian hacking to racism claims.

How the fuck you can't see that is all the democrats have been since really the 60s, is beyond me.


Here is an actual list of accomplishments within the first 100 days. The press ignored ALL of that OR they have ALL of the credit to obama.
* The DOW daily closing stock market average has risen 18% since the election on November 8th. (On November 9th the DOW closed at 18,332 – yesterday on July 19th the DOW closed at 21,641 for another all time stock market closing high).
* Since the election the DOW has set a new all time closing high one out of every four days the market is open!
* Since the Inauguration on January 20th the DOW is up 9%. (It was at 19,827 at January 20th.)
* The DOW took just 66 days to climb from 19,000 to above 21,000, the fastest 2,000 point run ever. The DOW closed above 19,000 for the first time on November 22nd and closed above 21,000 on March 1st.

* The DOW closed above 20,000 on January 25th and the March 1st rally matched the fastest-ever 1,000 point increase in the DOW at 24 days.
* On February 28th President Trump matched President Reagan’s 1987 record for most continuous closing high trading days when the DOW reached a new high for its 12th day in a row!
* The S&P 500 and the NASDAQ have both set new all-time highs during this period.
* The US Stock Market gained $4 trillion in wealth since Trump was elected!
* The S&P 500 also broke $20 Trillion for the first time in its history.

As of today, the US Debt has decreased under President Trump since his inauguration by (-$103) Billion. (President Obama increased the US debt in his first 6 months more than $974 Billion or nearly $1 Trillion.) The difference between Presidents Trump and Obama is more than $1 Trillion.

Jobs

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics President Trump added a projected 1,027,000 jobs in his first six months (January through June 2017.) President Obama on the other hand lost more than 3,826,000 million jobs in his first six months.

Unemployment

Also according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the unemployment rate since President Trump’s inauguration decreased from 4.8% to 4.4% (January through June 2017). The unemployment rate in January 2017 was 4.8% and by June it was down to 4.4%. Unemployment under President Obama on the other hand moved in the opposite direction. In his first six months as President the US unemployment rate increased each month from 7.8% in January 2009 to 9.5% by June of 2009.

Inflation

As noted earlier this week, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics the US inflation rate decreased to an eight month low in June to 1.6%. This is in part due to President Trump’s energy policies that are helping average Americans with cheaper gas and electricity.

Housing Sales

Housing sales are red-hot in the US right now. In 2011, houses for sale were on the market an average 84 days. This year, it’s just 45 days.

According to the US Census Bureau, there were nearly twice as many US housing sales in the past couple of months as there were under President Obama in 2009 during the same time period. (The annualized housing sales rate for May 2017 is reported at 610,000 where in 2009 this amount was only 376,000.)


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You see how the left media has been caught in lie after lie after lie, you see the PC politics being played, and you stick with the notion that it is Trump's screw ups?

I'm sure that's all very interesting, but I tuned out after the first sentence.

But thanks for all that effort.
.

The problem is that you care more about your specific ideal mannerism than accomplishments. That's a recipe for disaster.

I just know that behaviors can affect outcomes.

As we're seeing.
.

Indeed, Trump's undoubted effectiveness is proof enough. Note that I didn't say that behaviors didn't matter, Trump's behavior is excellent for the situation.

You bet.
.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Desperately searching for a silver lining for Trump's win in November, I was hoping that the Democratic party's deep nationwide debacle would force it to look inward and realize that its cynical commitment to Identity Politics played a significant role in its demise. Maybe the party would realize that it could do just fine electorally by stopping its obsession on splitting us into little grievance groups as part of their decades-long "divide and conquer" approach.

In short, I was hoping that Trump's shocking win would lead to a Reformation of the Democratic Party.

But I knew - and said here many times - that there was one (1) thing that could stop that from happening, and that would be if Trump screwed up so quickly and so completely and so badly that the Democrats would not have to go through a Reformation, that the Regressives who control the party would be able to just jump right back in the saddle in 2018/2020 and continue on with their crusade.

Well, so far, my little nightmare scenario - Trump screwing up bigly in office and the Regressives licking their chops - is playing out just as I feared.

Maybe I'll take up gardening, huh?


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It's Trumps fault democrats are mindless race baiting bigots..... It's Trumps fault democrats just realized there were statues commemorating the south despite the fact that they've been there forever....

THAT IS FUCKING HYSTERICAL

It seems to me that you're memory is fucked. This battle against an image started under OBAMA but just like Code Pink and other similar outrage groups it was kept largely under wraps during a Democrat presidency so as to not make him look bad.

I am not surprised that you had to find a boogeyman to justify your inner turmoil that you're battling because of your own party's ineptitude. Trump is the RESULT of your party's bullshit not the cause of it.

 

[Theowl32]

This Mac is a true piece of work. He claims he is disgusted with identity politics. He sees what the democrats are and he is representing that he wants a leader that does not play that political game.

He sees the mass lies of the media and how they manpulate the masses by attacking Trump.

He then calls Trump a screw up.

Lol

 

[John Shaw]

This Mac is a true piece of work. He claims he is disgusted with identity politics. He sees what the democrats are and he is representing that he wants a leader that does not play that political game.

He sees the mass lies of the media and how they manpulate the masses by attacking Trump.

He then calls Trump a screw up.

Lol

Why can't both be true??

Trump is mostly just incompetent, though. Not sure he's actually a screw-up yet.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This Mac is a true piece of work. He claims he is disgusted with identity politics. He sees what the democrats are and he is representing that he wants a leader that does not play that political game.

He sees the mass lies of the media and how they manpulate the masses by attacking Trump.

He then calls Trump a screw up.

Lol

Why can't both be true??

Trump is mostly just incompetent, though. Not sure he's actually a screw-up yet.

Every economic indicator says Trump is doing fine. He hasn't started any wars, in fact he may have just averted one.
With the exception of unhinged leftists & righties everything seems to be moving in the right direction so where are the problems?

As stated above Trump is TRYING to keep his promises but Congress is sitting on their hands.

I see a MASSIVE disconnect from reality in this thread.

 

[John Shaw]

This Mac is a true piece of work. He claims he is disgusted with identity politics. He sees what the democrats are and he is representing that he wants a leader that does not play that political game.

He sees the mass lies of the media and how they manpulate the masses by attacking Trump.

He then calls Trump a screw up.

Lol

Why can't both be true??

Trump is mostly just incompetent, though. Not sure he's actually a screw-up yet.

Every economic indicator says Trump is doing fine. He hasn't started any wars, in fact he may have just averted one.
With the exception of unhinged leftists & righties everything seems to be moving in the right direction so where are the problems?

As stated above Trump is TRYING to keep his promises but Congress is sitting on their hands.

I see a MASSIVE disconnect from reality in this thread.

That's my point. As many face-palms as he's given me, the sky hasn't really fallen.

 

[g5000]

Desperately searching for a silver lining for Trump's win in November, I was hoping that the Democratic party's deep nationwide debacle would force it to look inward and realize that its cynical commitment to Identity Politics played a significant role in its demise. Maybe the party would realize that it could do just fine electorally by stopping its obsession on splitting us into little grievance groups as part of their decades-long "divide and conquer" approach.

In short, I was hoping that Trump's shocking win would lead to a Reformation of the Democratic Party.

But I knew - and said here many times - that there was one (1) thing that could stop that from happening, and that would be if Trump screwed up so quickly and so completely and so badly that the Democrats would not have to go through a Reformation, that the Regressives who control the party would be able to just jump right back in the saddle in 2018/2020 and continue on with their crusade.

Well, so far, my little nightmare scenario - Trump screwing up bigly in office and the Regressives licking their chops - is playing out just as I feared.

Maybe I'll take up gardening, huh?


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Did Obama's two electoral wins force the Right to come to its senses, or did they just get crazier and more evil over those eight years?


Yeah.

There you go.

 

[Mac1958]

This Mac is a true piece of work. He claims he is disgusted with identity politics. He sees what the democrats are and he is representing that he wants a leader that does not play that political game.

He sees the mass lies of the media and how they manpulate the masses by attacking Trump.

He then calls Trump a screw up.

Lol

Why can't both be true??

Trump is mostly just incompetent, though. Not sure he's actually a screw-up yet.

Of course both can be true, but ideologues have very binary thought processes. It's one of the symptoms of the affliction.

Gotta keep it simple, something that fits on a bumper sticker.


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[g5000]

The only silver lining in Trump's win is that he is destroying the Trump name for all time.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This Mac is a true piece of work. He claims he is disgusted with identity politics. He sees what the democrats are and he is representing that he wants a leader that does not play that political game.

He sees the mass lies of the media and how they manpulate the masses by attacking Trump.

He then calls Trump a screw up.

Lol

Why can't both be true??

Trump is mostly just incompetent, though. Not sure he's actually a screw-up yet.

Of course both can be true, but ideologues have very binary thought processes. It's one of the symptoms of the affliction.

Gotta keep it simple, something that fits on a bumper sticker.


.

Your op is that of an ideologue.

Despite knowing the truth about your party you found a way to pin it on Trump.

 

[depotoo]

But the party elite are fighting it tooth and nail, both sides.

It was the only card they could play.

The most important polls right now are the internals run by GOP congresspeople facing tough races in 2018 and maybe 2020. If they look bad, those folks are gonna keep their backs turned on Trump.
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A great many of those republicans up for re-election, have their necks on the chopping block, precisely for not backing our duely elected president. Time will tell I suppose.

Well, the problem for the GOP is if those guys get primaried by Trump supporters, the Trump supporters win, and Trump's numbers stay low - that's all a recipe for Democratic wins.
.

Then I guess, for a change... The Dems and I, are hoping for the same outcome...

Funny how politics works!


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Indeed. The right is suffering the same dilemma as the left when it comes to party leadership. The people are fighting to take back control of their party's. Rather than being able to Lord over their constituents like two royal houses over their serfs; the people are fighting back, and telling the party's which direction to move.

 

[Theowl32]

This Mac is a true piece of work. He claims he is disgusted with identity politics. He sees what the democrats are and he is representing that he wants a leader that does not play that political game.

He sees the mass lies of the media and how they manpulate the masses by attacking Trump.

He then calls Trump a screw up.

Lol

Why can't both be true??

Trump is mostly just incompetent, though. Not sure he's actually a screw-up yet.

Of course both can be true, but ideologues have very binary thought processes. It's one of the symptoms of the affliction.

Gotta keep it simple, something that fits on a bumper sticker.


.

Good God you are so full of shit

 

[Mac1958]

This Mac is a true piece of work. He claims he is disgusted with identity politics. He sees what the democrats are and he is representing that he wants a leader that does not play that political game.

He sees the mass lies of the media and how they manpulate the masses by attacking Trump.

He then calls Trump a screw up.

Lol

Why can't both be true??

Trump is mostly just incompetent, though. Not sure he's actually a screw-up yet.

Of course both can be true, but ideologues have very binary thought processes. It's one of the symptoms of the affliction.

Gotta keep it simple, something that fits on a bumper sticker.


.

Your op is that of an ideologue.

Despite knowing the truth about your party you found a way to pin it on Trump.

What does one have to do with the other?

Trump is responsible for his behavior, the Democrats for theirs.
.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This Mac is a true piece of work. He claims he is disgusted with identity politics. He sees what the democrats are and he is representing that he wants a leader that does not play that political game.

He sees the mass lies of the media and how they manpulate the masses by attacking Trump.

He then calls Trump a screw up.

Lol

Why can't both be true??

Trump is mostly just incompetent, though. Not sure he's actually a screw-up yet.

Of course both can be true, but ideologues have very binary thought processes. It's one of the symptoms of the affliction.

Gotta keep it simple, something that fits on a bumper sticker.


.

Your op is that of an ideologue.

Despite knowing the truth about your party you found a way to pin it on Trump.

What does one have to do with the other?

Trump is responsible for his behavior, the Democrats for theirs.
.

Yet you mixed the two to suit your asinine op.

 

[Mac1958]

This Mac is a true piece of work. He claims he is disgusted with identity politics. He sees what the democrats are and he is representing that he wants a leader that does not play that political game.

He sees the mass lies of the media and how they manpulate the masses by attacking Trump.

He then calls Trump a screw up.

Lol

Why can't both be true??

Trump is mostly just incompetent, though. Not sure he's actually a screw-up yet.

Of course both can be true, but ideologues have very binary thought processes. It's one of the symptoms of the affliction.

Gotta keep it simple, something that fits on a bumper sticker.


.

Your op is that of an ideologue.

Despite knowing the truth about your party you found a way to pin it on Trump.

What does one have to do with the other?

Trump is responsible for his behavior, the Democrats for theirs.
.

Yet you mixed the two to suit your asinine op.

In your mind only.

Two different things.
.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Second, instead of simply being the party in opposition, the Dimocrats have acted no better than the alt-left with their "resist, resist, resist" campaign.

It was the only card they could play.

The most important polls right now are the internals run by GOP congresspeople facing tough races in 2018 and maybe 2020. If they look bad, those folks are gonna keep their backs turned on Trump.
.

Would it be a nightmare for Trump lost in 2018?

I believe no and believe Trump would get more from Pelosi and Schummer because I still believe he is a Democrat playing the part of a Republican...

 

[Mac1958]

Second, instead of simply being the party in opposition, the Dimocrats have acted no better than the alt-left with their "resist, resist, resist" campaign.

It was the only card they could play.

The most important polls right now are the internals run by GOP congresspeople facing tough races in 2018 and maybe 2020. If they look bad, those folks are gonna keep their backs turned on Trump.
.

Would it be a nightmare for Trump lost in 2018?

I believe no and believe Trump would get more from Pelosi and Schummer because I still believe he is a Democrat playing the part of a Republican...

Interesting thought. He's damn near on an island right now, and it wouldn't be a shock to see him reach out.

The question would be whether they reached back.
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[Remodeling Maidiac]

Why can't both be true??

Trump is mostly just incompetent, though. Not sure he's actually a screw-up yet.

Of course both can be true, but ideologues have very binary thought processes. It's one of the symptoms of the affliction.

Gotta keep it simple, something that fits on a bumper sticker.


.

Your op is that of an ideologue.

Despite knowing the truth about your party you found a way to pin it on Trump.

What does one have to do with the other?

Trump is responsible for his behavior, the Democrats for theirs.
.

Yet you mixed the two to suit your asinine op.

In your mind only.

Two different things.
.

But I knew - and said here many times - that there was one (1) thing that could stop that from happening, and that would be if Trump screwed up so quickly and so completely and so badly that the Democrats would not have to go through a Reformation, that the Regressives who control the party would be able to just jump right back in the saddle in 2018/2020 and continue on with their crusade.



Yeah, in my mind only.....